Although I have been cruising for a number of years I still do not know the
amount of space needed to store food.
Some of the new sailboat are been equipped with only a 2.4 cubic foot front
opening frig and not other ice box.
When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.
TIA

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.

It depends a great deal on what type of cruising you do and how big a
boat you are talking about. If you are a coastal cruiser who can get
to a water dock and grocery store once or twice a week your needs are
much less than someone headed into the boondocks for many weeks at a
time.

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

The need for refrigeration is highly dependant on your food choices
and personal preferences. Some people cruise with no refrigeration at
all. It can be done if you don't mind warm beverages, and use canned
or freeze dried foods. In my opinion the best refrigeration system
for long range cruising is an engine driven compressor coupled to
holding plates, next best is a good 12 volt system with holding
plates.

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!
MMC

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to
food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.

It depends a great deal on what type of cruising you do and how big a
boat you are talking about. If you are a coastal cruiser who can get
to a water dock and grocery store once or twice a week your needs are
much less than someone headed into the boondocks for many weeks at a
time.

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

The need for refrigeration is highly dependant on your food choices
and personal preferences. Some people cruise with no refrigeration at
all. It can be done if you don't mind warm beverages, and use canned
or freeze dried foods. In my opinion the best refrigeration system
for long range cruising is an engine driven compressor coupled to
holding plates, next best is a good 12 volt system with holding
plates.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

It is kinda hard to justify spending $75K to $250K or more for a boat to
cruise on if you have to live like you were in the 16th century.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:


I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

You do not need daily showers, remember the weekly bath. I sponge
bathed for 3 months when I had a hip to toe cast.

As an instructor, I teach people to use water sparingly. At your
rates, I would need to refill tanks or every 2 or 3 days. With a full
crew of 5, I can go a week. In areas like Desolation Sound, that is
essential, water is sparse. I hate having to go look for water.

As to the original question. Buy UTH milk, juice in tetra packs,
freeze meat beforehand and keep it next to the cooling plate. Keep
lettuce and salads as far from the cooling plate as possible to avoid
freezing. Store libations next the hull below the waterline to avoid
the need to cool. Use dried pasta. Potatoes, onions, apples, oranges
and many other fruits and vegetables do not need refrigeration, look
at how they are sold in the stores. Eggs keep if you turn them daily.

Avoid front opening fridges on sail boats, they are a poor use of
space, and spill when you open them. They also "let out the cold"
when you open them, increasing electricity use.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:


I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

You do not need daily showers, remember the weekly bath. I sponge
bathed for 3 months when I had a hip to toe cast.

As an instructor, I teach people to use water sparingly. At your
rates, I would need to refill tanks or every 2 or 3 days. With a full
crew of 5, I can go a week. In areas like Desolation Sound, that is
essential, water is sparse. I hate having to go look for water.

As to the original question. Buy UTH milk, juice in tetra packs,
freeze meat beforehand and keep it next to the cooling plate. Keep
lettuce and salads as far from the cooling plate as possible to avoid
freezing. Store libations next the hull below the waterline to avoid
the need to cool. Use dried pasta. Potatoes, onions, apples, oranges
and many other fruits and vegetables do not need refrigeration, look
at how they are sold in the stores. Eggs keep if you turn them daily.

Avoid front opening fridges on sail boats, they are a poor use of
space, and spill when you open them. They also "let out the cold"
when you open them, increasing electricity use.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

wrote:
UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".


Its UHT milk (NOT UTH)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_processing
*MUCH* easier to buy something you have the correct name for. It
doesn't keep as well as fresh milk after opening and the larger cartons
for many brands over here are rather flimsy and can be difficult to
store on a boat. Try to find a brand that you can get in a size that
you finish a whole carton each day. A nearly full opened carton of
anything, but especially milk is a ****ing nuisance on passage as no
matter what you do it WILL leak so it usually has to be stood in the
sink. If you do put opened ones in the fridge, expect to be cleaning
out the bottom of the fridge weekly unless you want a stink that can
kill at twenty paces :-(

--
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All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:43:18 +0100, Ian Malcolm
wrote:

wrote:
UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".


Its UHT milk (NOT UTH)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_processing
*MUCH* easier to buy something you have the correct name for. It
doesn't keep as well as fresh milk after opening and the larger cartons
for many brands over here are rather flimsy and can be difficult to
store on a boat. Try to find a brand that you can get in a size that
you finish a whole carton each day. A nearly full opened carton of
anything, but especially milk is a ****ing nuisance on passage as no
matter what you do it WILL leak so it usually has to be stood in the
sink. If you do put opened ones in the fridge, expect to be cleaning
out the bottom of the fridge weekly unless you want a stink that can
kill at twenty paces :-(

Yes - I was a little sloppy with the keyboard.

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Jack

"Jack Dale" wrote .

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com