On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:


I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

You do not need daily showers, remember the weekly bath. I sponge
bathed for 3 months when I had a hip to toe cast.

As an instructor, I teach people to use water sparingly. At your
rates, I would need to refill tanks or every 2 or 3 days. With a full
crew of 5, I can go a week. In areas like Desolation Sound, that is
essential, water is sparse. I hate having to go look for water.

As to the original question. Buy UTH milk, juice in tetra packs,
freeze meat beforehand and keep it next to the cooling plate. Keep
lettuce and salads as far from the cooling plate as possible to avoid
freezing. Store libations next the hull below the waterline to avoid
the need to cool. Use dried pasta. Potatoes, onions, apples, oranges
and many other fruits and vegetables do not need refrigeration, look
at how they are sold in the stores. Eggs keep if you turn them daily.

Avoid front opening fridges on sail boats, they are a poor use of
space, and spill when you open them. They also "let out the cold"
when you open them, increasing electricity use.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:


I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

You do not need daily showers, remember the weekly bath. I sponge
bathed for 3 months when I had a hip to toe cast.

As an instructor, I teach people to use water sparingly. At your
rates, I would need to refill tanks or every 2 or 3 days. With a full
crew of 5, I can go a week. In areas like Desolation Sound, that is
essential, water is sparse. I hate having to go look for water.

As to the original question. Buy UTH milk, juice in tetra packs,
freeze meat beforehand and keep it next to the cooling plate. Keep
lettuce and salads as far from the cooling plate as possible to avoid
freezing. Store libations next the hull below the waterline to avoid
the need to cool. Use dried pasta. Potatoes, onions, apples, oranges
and many other fruits and vegetables do not need refrigeration, look
at how they are sold in the stores. Eggs keep if you turn them daily.

Avoid front opening fridges on sail boats, they are a poor use of
space, and spill when you open them. They also "let out the cold"
when you open them, increasing electricity use.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

wrote:
UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".


Its UHT milk (NOT UTH)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_processing
*MUCH* easier to buy something you have the correct name for. It
doesn't keep as well as fresh milk after opening and the larger cartons
for many brands over here are rather flimsy and can be difficult to
store on a boat. Try to find a brand that you can get in a size that
you finish a whole carton each day. A nearly full opened carton of
anything, but especially milk is a ****ing nuisance on passage as no
matter what you do it WILL leak so it usually has to be stood in the
sink. If you do put opened ones in the fridge, expect to be cleaning
out the bottom of the fridge weekly unless you want a stink that can
kill at twenty paces :-(

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:43:18 +0100, Ian Malcolm
wrote:

wrote:
UTH milk, I just want to make sure I read this correctly, is this the milk
that do not need refrigeration? I remember using some milk (1983) that
keeps for a long time as long as the container is not open. For some
reason or another I have not seen that type of milk on sale any more. Or is
it "Carnation Milk".


Its UHT milk (NOT UTH)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_processing
*MUCH* easier to buy something you have the correct name for. It
doesn't keep as well as fresh milk after opening and the larger cartons
for many brands over here are rather flimsy and can be difficult to
store on a boat. Try to find a brand that you can get in a size that
you finish a whole carton each day. A nearly full opened carton of
anything, but especially milk is a ****ing nuisance on passage as no
matter what you do it WILL leak so it usually has to be stood in the
sink. If you do put opened ones in the fridge, expect to be cleaning
out the bottom of the fridge weekly unless you want a stink that can
kill at twenty paces :-(

Yes - I was a little sloppy with the keyboard.

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Jack

"Jack Dale" wrote .

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:58:03 -0400, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

"Jack Dale" wrote .

I usually buy the one litre size and find pack other items around it.

I know that we should not cry over spilled milk, but I can concur that
cleaning it out of a fridge is an awful job.

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

Have you tried using plastic organizers? I have been on several
charter boats that use them. They work well.

Jack

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:58:03 -0400, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Speaking of spilled milk, has anyone come across some nice stainless wire
baskets to help organize a top loading box? I found some in chromed steel
but they will rust eventually.

We use the plastic Walmart type storage organizers in addition to the
wire rack about half way down the box. We haven't found the need but
it would be easy enough to cut holes in the plastic bins to improve
air flow.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:33:23 GMT, Jack Dale
wrote:

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

In 25 years of cruising I have never consumed that much water.

Off shore - you sponge bath. Diskes are washed in sea water and
rinsed in fresh.

Coastal - one person can shower in a half gallon by using navy showers
(wet, turn off water, soap, rinse). We also drink bottled water; I
find that people will drink more, thereby reducing dehrydration and
other problems.

Sure, that's all possible if you are roughing it on a small boat but
if you want to be a bit more civilized, and have the tankage to
support it, my numbers seem to be fairly typical. Our objective when
living/cruising on the boat is to be as comfortable as possible, not
as frugal as possible. If we had a boat with limited tankage, I'd
want some sort of watermaker system with "frugal" as a backup.

Jack Dale wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

. . . In areas like Desolation Sound, that is essential, water is sparse. I hate
having to go look for water. . .

?? Have things changed up there? I cruised Desolation Sound, etc.,
extensively in the '70s and filling a coupla jerry cans while venturing
ashore was easy, fresh water lakes and creeks galore. Fresh water is
much more problematical in places like the Sea of Cortez.

WHAT? Drink beaver pee? Omigod!
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Jack Dale wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:24:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

. . . In areas like Desolation Sound, that is essential, water is
sparse. I hate
having to go look for water. . .

?? Have things changed up there? I cruised Desolation Sound, etc.,
extensively in the '70s and filling a coupla jerry cans while venturing
ashore was easy, fresh water lakes and creeks galore. Fresh water is
much more problematical in places like the Sea of Cortez.