You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!
MMC

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:13 GMT, wrote:

When shopping for my new boat I wonder what to look for when it come to
food
and water storage. I could benefit from other cruisers comments and
feedback.

It depends a great deal on what type of cruising you do and how big a
boat you are talking about. If you are a coastal cruiser who can get
to a water dock and grocery store once or twice a week your needs are
much less than someone headed into the boondocks for many weeks at a
time.

I usually estimate water requirements at between 5 and 10 gallons per
person per day. That's on a boat with pressure water and a shower,
probably half that otherwise..

The need for refrigeration is highly dependant on your food choices
and personal preferences. Some people cruise with no refrigeration at
all. It can be done if you don't mind warm beverages, and use canned
or freeze dried foods. In my opinion the best refrigeration system
for long range cruising is an engine driven compressor coupled to
holding plates, next best is a good 12 volt system with holding
plates.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

It is kinda hard to justify spending $75K to $250K or more for a boat to
cruise on if you have to live like you were in the 16th century.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

Not all boats carry 100's of gallons of water and if those cruisers want to
go more than a couple days without refilling, hand pumps and solar shower
bags come in handy!
Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing half
of it out the shower sump?
The same attitude that says "if the skipper has to be conservative about
water stores" could be carried further, got a ice maker? NO? AND YOU'RE
GOING OFFSHORE! MY GOD, THE INHUMANITY................
I've been in situations where water conservation was very important and had
to figure out how to use what we had as economically as possible. Taking a
luke warm shower and pumping sink water manually is not exactly a sacrifice.
Maybe a little too hard core for you guys? Ha!
MMC
Still looking at the same sunsets, drinking cold drinks, not smelling like a
goat, etc. as you guys with 300 gallons....

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
newsK2Fg.10903$ok5.9618@dukeread01...
It is kinda hard to justify spending $75K to $250K or more for a boat to
cruise on if you have to live like you were in the 16th century.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:35 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

You can cut that 5-10 gal per day by quite a bit by turning off the water
heater and electric pumps!

You can cut consumption to zero if you turn off the pump but what's
the point? There are folks who cross oceans in small boats who wash
with salt water and have no refrigeration but that's an extreme not
likely to happen with most people.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:34:02 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing half
of it out the shower sump?

That would be difficult. Our old boat had a 75 gallon tank, pressure
hot water, shower, etc. It would typically last the two of us about a
week.

The new boat has a pair of 250 gallon tanks but I keep the second one
valved off as a reserve which we've never needed, even on a three week
cruise. On the other hand, we don't use the washer/dryer very much,
wash the chain down with seawater, never use the windshield washers,
and use the ice maker only for cold drinks...

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:34:02 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing
half
of it out the shower sump?

That would be difficult. Our old boat had a 75 gallon tank, pressure
hot water, shower, etc. It would typically last the two of us about a
week.

The new boat has a pair of 250 gallon tanks but I keep the second one
valved off as a reserve which we've never needed, even on a three week
cruise. On the other hand, we don't use the washer/dryer very much,
wash the chain down with seawater, never use the windshield washers,
and use the ice maker only for cold drinks...

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)


How often do you change the water in the jacuzzi? ;-)

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:26:21 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)


How often do you change the water in the jacuzzi? ;-)

Next boat.

On the other hand I have said that there will be no next boat.

We'll see.

500 Gal? I wouldn't worry about showers either! Must be nice.
My GS 41 has a 75 gal in the bilge (not a lot of tankage in these old
beasts) and I've added a 30 gal Vetus soft tank. Plumbed as yours with
drawing the larger tank down first and holding the 30 gal as a reserve,
let's me know it's time to refill.
MMC

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:34:02 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

Picture if you had a 75 gal tank and an unintiated guest aboard ****ing
half
of it out the shower sump?

That would be difficult. Our old boat had a 75 gallon tank, pressure
hot water, shower, etc. It would typically last the two of us about a
week.

The new boat has a pair of 250 gallon tanks but I keep the second one
valved off as a reserve which we've never needed, even on a three week
cruise. On the other hand, we don't use the washer/dryer very much,
wash the chain down with seawater, never use the windshield washers,
and use the ice maker only for cold drinks...

Some sacrifices have to be made. :-)

"MMC" wrote in message
.. .
(snippage) Taking a
luke warm shower and pumping sink water manually is not exactly a
sacrifice.
Maybe a little too hard core for you guys? Ha!
MMC
Still looking at the same sunsets, drinking cold drinks, not smelling like
a goat, etc. as you guys with 300 gallons....


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but in
the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The lengths
some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten gallons
per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

KLC Lewis wrote:


"Ha!" indeed! On Essie, not only do you have to hand-pump the water, but in
the head you also have to hand-pump again to drain the sink. The lengths
some of us go to to avoid one more hole in the hull... lol

Escapade's water tank holds about 48 gallons. With two aboard, ten gallons
per day usage would last us...little more than two days.

I suppose that is why some people pay the $$ for a
watermaker. Our Irwin 38 only has a 70 gallon
tank. You think that's bad? The holding tank is
only 8 gallons.

Don W. == who is in the process of figuring out
where to put all the additional tanks.