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Boat Broker Question ...
Mys Terry,,, you are starting to annoy me.
==================================== "Mys Terry" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:40:28 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth" wrote: Lately, I have been in contact with a number of boat brokers. Is it just me, but these people seem sleazy. They have a listing, they represent the buyer [ and themselves ]. They stand to make money if a sale goes through yet they don't seem to know much, nor do they want to do much. If you ask them something about a boat, they say "get a survey". In most cases, they have never been on the boat, not have they ever seen the boat. Surveys are fine, but they can cost hundreds of dollars. I don't know,,, maybe is me but I really think boat brokers are a dishonest bunch. What are your thoughts. Jasper Stop expecting others to do your homework. A broker's job is to bring a buyer and a seller together. They are not baby sitters or therapists. It's your job to decide if a boat is what you want. Do the first survey yourself. If you get that far and it still looks good, then hire a pro for a second survey. You don't have a survey done on every boat that you consider - just the one you want to make an offer on. It's silly to say that boat brokers are a dishonest bunch. That comes mostly from a misguided idea of the broker's function. The reality is that the broker HAS to rely on whatever the seller tells them about the boat, whether it is accurate or not. What else can they do? They don't own the boat. They are just there to market it, and try to attract potential buyers. That is all. Get real. Mys Terry |
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Thomas (or is it Jasper as I see in your first post that started this
thread), Buying even a modest cruising boat and turning it into a safe, reliable, and going concern is a complex and expensive process. Certain personality traits have a lot of bearing on the outcome because doing it successfully covers a wide range of sills. Many of them are not technical. Dealing with the broker (who works only for the seller and has a legal duty to represent only the seller's interests), surveyors, boatyards, etc., productively involves interpersonal skills and business sense that are often at odds with the impulses that make people want to get far out in a small craft away from society. There is a lot that can go wrong so patience and reasonableness are vital. I'm always very interested in the human factors. What small insight I've gained from your posts makes me absolutely fascinated to see if you ever actually get a boat and start cruising in it. I hope you will continue to keep us informed of your progress and post some pictures somewhere when you close the sale. -- Roger Long |
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Roger,,, before I jump at the first boat, I will look at as many boats as
possible. Remember, it is winter up here in the great white north. Looking at boats that are covered with shrink wrap is not so easy. Also, while I know what I want there are numerous versions of that style boat. And one more thing ... it is fun looking at boats. I have learned so much in just the short time I have lurked here. The internet is a University of Marine Education. Thanks to all the posters, who post about just about everything and anything, I am a much more informed buyer. A smart buyer is not an impulsive buyer. ps.. have you been to the Titanic memorial in New York City. I stumbled upon it one day. I believe it is on the east side of Manhattan. [[[[ "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Thomas (or is it Jasper as I see in your first post that started this thread), Buying even a modest cruising boat and turning it into a safe, reliable, and going concern is a complex and expensive process. Certain personality traits have a lot of bearing on the outcome because doing it successfully covers a wide range of sills. Many of them are not technical. Dealing with the broker (who works only for the seller and has a legal duty to represent only the seller's interests), surveyors, boatyards, etc., productively involves interpersonal skills and business sense that are often at odds with the impulses that make people want to get far out in a small craft away from society. There is a lot that can go wrong so patience and reasonableness are vital. I'm always very interested in the human factors. What small insight I've gained from your posts makes me absolutely fascinated to see if you ever actually get a boat and start cruising in it. I hope you will continue to keep us informed of your progress and post some pictures somewhere when you close the sale. -- Roger Long |
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Thomas Wentworth wrote:
Roger,,, before I jump at the first boat, I will look at as many boats as possible. Remember, it is winter up here in the great white north. Looking at boats that are covered with shrink wrap is not so easy. Also, while I know what I want there are numerous versions of that style boat. And one more thing ... it is fun looking at boats. I have learned so much in just the short time I have lurked here. The internet is a University of Marine Education. Thanks to all the posters, who post about just about everything and anything, I am a much more informed buyer. A smart buyer is not an impulsive buyer. ps.. have you been to the Titanic memorial in New York City. I stumbled upon it one day. I believe it is on the east side of Manhattan. Better yet.... has Roger been to *all* the Titanic sites, displays gravesites etc. in Halifax? http://titanic.gov.ns.ca/hfxdisplays.html |
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"Don White" wrote Better yet....
has Roger been to *all* the Titanic sites, displays gravesites etc. in Halifax? http://titanic.gov.ns.ca/hfxdisplays.html No. I'm not one of the "Titaniacs". I was hired to see what a professional taking a fresh look without the preconceptions and positions of many who have studied the wreck for years would make of the expedition's findings. I've been to bow, stern, and farther south to the limits of the debris field than any but a handful of people. I haven't been to any other Titanic sites. -- Roger Long |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:29:27 GMT, in message
"Roger Long" wrote: I'm always very interested in the human factors. What small insight I've gained from your posts makes me absolutely fascinated to see if you ever actually get a boat and start cruising in it. I hope you will continue to keep us informed of your progress and post some pictures somewhere when you close the sale. I too am interested to see where others get into personal difficulties in buying boats. My own experience is limited (three cruising boats, one private, one brokered, one via eBay) but entirely positive. The only time I felt a little screwed over was a private sale that fell through because, after we agreed on a price, the owner wouldn't commit to closing until he made a deal on his next boat. I'm not very good at the bargaining process face to face, so I would rather work through a broker for comfort, but a private deal can work out better financially -- certainly did for my current boat. Ryk |
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