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Health insurance, again
Well, the time is approaching, and just as before when we thought we'd be
leaving soon, life has interrupted (or at least complicated matters). To shorten the story, following a stress test and immediate catheterization a week ago, I now have 3 stents in my heart artery having been, and remaining, regardless, asymptomatic of any problem. I'm going to work on the boat again in a couple of days, and still do my physical therapy for my arm, so nothing has changed in that regard. As quickly as my shoulder objective is reached, we're outta here. Lydia, when we leave, of course, won't have the insurance which has made dealing with what's turned out to be a pile of horsepucky on my part possible. The surgeon is adamant that we should do COBRA when she leaves and maintain health insurance for quite some time. He also wants me to have a followup stress test as late as possible before we leave or 6 months from now, whichever comes first. It's our expectation that to COBRA would nearly double our cruising budget - which, probably needless to say, changes matters rather drastically. And, of course, that's only available for a (relatively) short period of time, in any case. Worse, we don't expect to be in the US waters more than fleetingly, and then only peripherally, i. e. Puerto Rico and the US Virgins, as we expect to cruise the Caribbean. Lo these 7 years ago, when I started researching via reading this group and others, long before even looking for a boat, I recall a highly regarded English company insuring Americans for everywhere other than the US, for some pittance. Of course, now, (now) with my history, we may have some great difficulty receiving insurance, at all. However, to the point of the post, what's folks' recommendations for health insurance in non-US waters (expected to be Caribbean only for the forseeable future, but that includes a slow work-down of the thorny path, perhaps some significant time in the Bahamas for starters)? Thanks. L8R Skip (and Lydia, by proxy) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Health insurance, again
Skip, I'm a health insurance broker, so I'll do my best. Read below...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in message ... Well, the time is approaching, and just as before when we thought we'd be leaving soon, life has interrupted (or at least complicated matters). To shorten the story, following a stress test and immediate catheterization a week ago, I now have 3 stents in my heart artery having been, and remaining, regardless, asymptomatic of any problem. I'm going to work on the boat again in a couple of days, and still do my physical therapy for my arm, so nothing has changed in that regard. As quickly as my shoulder objective is reached, we're outta here. Lydia, when we leave, of course, won't have the insurance which has made dealing with what's turned out to be a pile of horsepucky on my part possible. The surgeon is adamant that we should do COBRA when she leaves and maintain health insurance for quite some time. He also wants me to have a followup stress test as late as possible before we leave or 6 months from now, whichever comes first. It's our expectation that to COBRA would nearly double our cruising budget - which, probably needless to say, changes matters rather drastically. And, of course, that's only available for a (relatively) short period of time, in any case. Through who's employment does the COBRA come from, yours or hers. If it's yours, then you can maintain it yourself and let Lydia acquire coverage with an individual plan. Worse, we don't expect to be in the US waters more than fleetingly, and then only peripherally, i. e. Puerto Rico and the US Virgins, as we expect to cruise the Caribbean. Lo these 7 years ago, when I started researching via reading this group and others, long before even looking for a boat, I recall a highly regarded English company insuring Americans for everywhere other than the US, for some pittance. Of course, now, (now) with my history, we may have some great difficulty receiving insurance, at all. Lloyds of London, through Petersen International. It's been years since I sold a policy but I'm fairly certain there are health underwriting questions, which will exclude you. However, to the point of the post, what's folks' recommendations for health insurance in non-US waters (expected to be Caribbean only for the forseeable future, but that includes a slow work-down of the thorny path, perhaps some significant time in the Bahamas for starters)? Blue Cross does a nice job but it will be tricky getting you on to their plans unless you happen to have Cobra through them. Are you approaching 65? If so, brand new ball game. (a better one). -Greg |
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"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in message ... "Dene" wrote in message ... Skip, I'm a health insurance broker, so I'll do my best. Read below... Hi, Greg, and thanks for the followup. Through who's employment does the COBRA come from, yours or hers. If it's yours, then you can maintain it yourself and let Lydia acquire coverage with an individual plan. It's Lydia's and I'm the one who needs it, so it would be a family plan COBRA. Blue Cross does a nice job but it will be tricky getting you on to their plans unless you happen to have Cobra through them. It's BC/BS PPO - the surgeon indicated that his insurance covered him in unlikely places, so perhaps that would, too. In that case, I would call BC and ask them what your options are, aside from Cobra. Cobra is only 18 months long. It's likely they have a conversion plan which will last you until age 65. It may be superior, in price/benefits, to Cobra and thus you may be able to enroll now instead of 18 months from now. The saying I've heard in any case is "when you're in pain, get on the plane" (back to the USA). Of course, my asymptomia (?) :{)) means that it could be 10 years, or never, that I had any sort of heart issues, as, certainly, this didn't develop overnight; my "score" based on current cholesterol numbers which are horrible (156/48[239] - but markedly lower after the stent, which makes no sense whatever, and causes me to suspect all of them) have me at a 10% likelihood of trouble in the next 10 years - but I'm on meds which should reduce those numbers dramatically, as well as my exercise and diet aboard which will help as well. We'd originally thought we'd go bare - but this puts a slightly different light on it - and, of course, (now) my history may make that the default, anyway. I hope you don't go bare. You could lose everything. People insure their houses, boats, cars, etc. yet they are willing to risk hundreds of thousands in hospital bills. Doesn't make sense. Are you approaching 65? If so, brand new ball game. (a better one). I'll be 65 in a little over 4 years... Good...you're in no man's land, insurance-wise. It's expensive until medicare age. Afterwards, you can buy supplements for no premium and Rx plans for $6/mo. Trick is.....you gotta get to 65. -Greg |
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Health insurance, again
Skip Gundlach wrote:
"Dene" wrote in message ... It's Lydia's and I'm the one who needs it, so it would be a family plan COBRA. Blue Cross does a nice job but it will be tricky getting you on to their plans unless you happen to have Cobra through them. Nope - doesn't matter as long as you're *on* COBRA. When COBRA expires in 18 months, you can get on a BC/BS *portability* plan. They don't advertise that, 'cause they don't want to sell it, but it's part of the COBRA legislation (any private health insurer in your state will have a portability plan). It will be a higher risk group (i.e. more money), but at 60+ with heart history, you'll almost certainly never make through underwriting. My suggestion, based on personal experience, is to get on COBRA, then look for something cheaper. Don't let your COBRA grace period expire, else you'll not be eligble for a portability plan, and if you can't get underwritten, you *will not get* insured. End of story. I'm 'only' 50, with not much medical history (High BP, under control and some arthritis) and with the exception of the portability policy (which they are required to sell to me) I'm uninsurable. Trust me, get the COBRA while you look around! Oh, and trust *no* agents' assurance of acceptance - not until the policy is underwritten. We went through several who said "no problem", only to find out - 3 months later - that underwriting rejected the application. Sure, the money is refunded (yes, you have to pay each month, not knowing if you're insured for real), but if your eligibility for COBRA/Portability has expired, you're hosed. Keith Hughes |
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"Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Skip Gundlach wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... It's Lydia's and I'm the one who needs it, so it would be a family plan COBRA. Blue Cross does a nice job but it will be tricky getting you on to their plans unless you happen to have Cobra through them. Nope - doesn't matter as long as you're *on* COBRA. When COBRA expires in 18 months, you can get on a BC/BS *portability* plan. They don't advertise that, 'cause they don't want to sell it, but it's part of the COBRA legislation (any private health insurer in your state will have a portability plan). It will be a higher risk group (i.e. more money), but at 60+ with heart history, you'll almost certainly never make through underwriting. My suggestion, based on personal experience, is to get on COBRA, then look for something cheaper. Don't let your COBRA grace period expire, else you'll not be eligble for a portability plan, and if you can't get underwritten, you *will not get* insured. End of story. I'm 'only' 50, with not much medical history (High BP, under control and some arthritis) and with the exception of the portability policy (which they are required to sell to me) I'm uninsurable. Trust me, get the COBRA while you look around! Oh, and trust *no* agents' assurance of acceptance - not until the policy is underwritten. We went through several who said "no problem", only to find out - 3 months later - that underwriting rejected the application. Sure, the money is refunded (yes, you have to pay each month, not knowing if you're insured for real), but if your eligibility for COBRA/Portability has expired, you're hosed. Keith Hughes I agree and would add that there may be a state program for high risk which one could be eligible for. My wife is on the Oregon version. We bled Cobra's enrollment period (waiting 90 days to committ, then another 90 to pay) before we ditched it and put her on it, leaving me and the kids to get a cheaper individual plan. No agent in his right mind would guarantee anything in underwriting. Sad you encountered a couple of clowns. -Greg |
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Health insurance, again
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in news:a8d69$43f106e7
: The surgeon is adamant that we should do COBRA Of course he is! You goin' off healthy to screw around on a boat ISN'T gonna make his Mercedes and house payments or buy him a new waterfront mansion on the beach at Kiawah Island. I can't imagine why he wants to get you hooked-on-surgery and keep you from going anywhere, can you? Only lawyers are worse than doctors, and should be next in line for the guillotine after we run out of lawyers... |
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"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in news:9cc0d
: It's BC/BS PPO - the surgeon indicated that his insurance covered him in unlikely places, so perhaps that would, too. Oh, wonderful, BC/BS. Let me tell you what they did to me in the late 80's....... I had a group plan BC/BS of SC with one of my client music stores I do lots of work for. $386/month for me, wife and daughter...ouch! It was to stop the wife screaming at me, which worked. I used to have occasional kidney stones, just to keep me from being too happy, caused by Charleston's calcium-laced lake drinking water. I drink homebrew distilled, now, much better. One of the stones didn't pass in a day of being doubled up on the carpet, so I bit the bullet and checked into the hospital under the BC/BS plan to have it removed with laser litho-something-or-other-to-boost-the-price. I was in there a few days with tubes sticking out of "it", not fun. The bill was about $3000 plus $1200 for the doctor for his 1/2 hour trouble. They submitted the forms to BC/BS of SC.... BC/BS of SC had waited, patiently, for me to make a claim then I got a letter saying they could not pay my bill UNTIL I agreed to take my WIFE off the policy as they didn't want anything to do with someone who MIGHT have a claim for a thyroid condition. I refused. She was the reason I agreed to give these *******s $386 a month for nothing! "We'll cancel your policy.", they told me. I asked them what happened to all the thousands I'd put in over the last 3 years. They said they'd return my money because they cancelled. I told them to send me a check, immediately. No interest, of course, they kept that. Nice company, eh? I paid the bills, and put the rest into the credit union at the AFB near the house, applying $386/month to MY ACCOUNT, this time. After a few years, credit union voiced concern I was over their CUA account limit, so I've let it run on interest all these years since then. Screw BC/BS. I probably got enough to pay, now. Well, they USED to pay fair interest on it....not any more. How awful...... |
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Been so cold lately, the Dr's and lawyers have had their hands in their own
pockets! "Larry" wrote in message ... "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in news:a8d69$43f106e7 : The surgeon is adamant that we should do COBRA Of course he is! You goin' off healthy to screw around on a boat ISN'T gonna make his Mercedes and house payments or buy him a new waterfront mansion on the beach at Kiawah Island. I can't imagine why he wants to get you hooked-on-surgery and keep you from going anywhere, can you? Only lawyers are worse than doctors, and should be next in line for the guillotine after we run out of lawyers... |
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Skip Gundlach wrote:
Well, the time is approaching, and just as before when we thought we'd be leaving soon, life has interrupted (or at least complicated matters). To shorten the story, following a stress test and immediate catheterization a week ago, I now have 3 stents in my heart artery having been, and remaining, regardless, asymptomatic of any problem. If you aren't symptomatic, what caused you to get a test and then some stents? |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach at gmail dotcom wrote in news:9cc0d : Oh, wonderful, BC/BS. Let me tell you what they did to me in the late 80's....... I had a group plan BC/BS of SC with one of my client music stores I do lots of work for. $386/month for me, wife and daughter...ouch! It was to stop the wife screaming at me, which worked. I used to have occasional kidney stones, just to keep me from being too happy, caused by Charleston's calcium-laced lake drinking water. I drink homebrew distilled, now, much better. One of the stones didn't pass in a day of being doubled up on the carpet, so I bit the bullet and checked into the hospital under the BC/BS plan to have it removed with laser litho-something-or-other-to-boost-the-price. I was in there a few days with tubes sticking out of "it", not fun. The bill was about $3000 plus $1200 for the doctor for his 1/2 hour trouble. They submitted the forms to BC/BS of SC.... BC/BS of SC had waited, patiently, for me to make a claim then I got a letter saying they could not pay my bill UNTIL I agreed to take my WIFE off the policy as they didn't want anything to do with someone who MIGHT have a claim for a thyroid condition. I refused. She was the reason I agreed to give these *******s $386 a month for nothing! "We'll cancel your policy.", they told me. I asked them what happened to all the thousands I'd put in over the last 3 years. They said they'd return my money because they cancelled. I told them to send me a check, immediately. No interest, of course, they kept that. Nice company, eh? Your story seems so bizarre to me. Did BC pay for your kidneystone? Secondly, what did your wife's thyroid condition have to do with it, unless it wasn't disclosed when you apply? Finally, did you consider reporting thi s to SC's insurance dept? Situation is much better now, due to pertinent national legislation which eliminates insurance companies from pulling this kind of stuff. Only trouble is, rates have risen through the roof because now insurance companies are "blind" to the risk they must accept, on group policies. Access has improved but at significant costs. I paid the bills, and put the rest into the credit union at the AFB near the house, applying $386/month to MY ACCOUNT, this time. After a few years, credit union voiced concern I was over their CUA account limit, so I've let it run on interest all these years since then. Screw BC/BS. I probably got enough to pay, now. Well, they USED to pay fair interest on it....not any more. How awful...... In essence, you self insured, which is what I always recommend to my healthy clients. Take a high deductible plan and stuff the savings into a savings account or MSA. Just don't go bare. BTW.....my kidney stone was a 13k bill. -Greg |
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