On 3 Feb 2006 13:57:29 -0800, "Bob" wrote:

What makes my comments so irrational?

The total disconnect between your words and the proposition you think
you're advancing. Incantation of the mantra "Enron" is not an argument
It's a simple-minded rant.

I had a 1963 35' Chris Craft Sailyacht end up on the rocks (causeway) after
being dismasted and having the cabintop ripped off in hurricane "Floyd". The
boat had spent hours on battering against the rocks during the storm and
came away with dings and gouges, but the hull was still sound and the only
water inside was rain water.
A cored hull is stronger? I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy
either.

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi:

Pasco: Love him or hate him? Just another opinion to consider.

Personnaly I am sitting in a 27 year old boat. It has 1 1/2" of hand
layed glass at the turn of the bilge. Its 39 LOA. That 1 1/2" came in
real handy when a Tidewater tug bounced off me two years ago. Still
have the green pant on the hull as a reminder.
The Captain was reall appolgetic. Invited me over for a tour and even
gave me a free soda. Pretty good deal. Nice guy too. Although, he
seemed a bit woried about somthing. Go figure.
Bob

Hi There Dave;

I agree Enron is not an argument. I think it would be most accurately
called an example. Maybe even an analogy if I changed my wording a bit.
But please do not use the rhetorical trappings of Aristotelian logic
and syogistic reasoning to impress me or "defeat me with half your
brain tied behind your back" or was that "...on loan from
God...?" I am sure you, above all, should recognize the author of
that quote.

But hey, the purpose of your post was to criticize me and for you to
sound intelligent. I really like the way you knitted several words
together that "smart people" use. For example, "... total
disconnect.... Proposition... advancing.... Incantation of the
mantra... argument...." Keep practicing. You'll get better with
time.

But back to the problem. As I said before, I do not believe keeping
people ignorant to make a buck is okay. I for one hope Pascoe keeps
ranting and that this discussion board gives folks like the earlier
posts a place to call BS on the corporate boating world. And yes, a
place for you to practice sounding intelligent.
Bob

On 3 Feb 2006 16:12:43 -0800, "Bob" wrote:

But hey, the purpose of your post was to criticize me and for you to
sound intelligent.

Nah. It was to call attention to the mindlessness of populist rants
portraying boat owners, or any other group, as victims of some vast
conspiracy by "the corporations" to wring that evil thing "profit"
from their wallets.

"Bob" wrote in news:1138985637.467708.296590
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

"You can get a man to
swallow an elephant if you feed it to him one bite at a time."

I like that and so true!


Crazy Carl

wrote in :

Incantation of the mantra

Jes, I looked those words up and it still made know sense!

Crazy Carl

" none wrote in news:VMWEf.821$VM4.339
@fe06.highwinds-media.phx:

swallow an elephant if you feed it to him one bite at a time."

I like that and so true!



They swallowed the whole 9/11 propaganda campaign. Proof positive...

They also swallowed the lie of man-on-the-moon, another total lie.

On 2 Feb 2006 12:46:13 -0800, "Bob" wrote:

Hi:

Pasco: Love him or hate him? Just another opinion to consider.

Personnaly I am sitting in a 27 year old boat. It has 1 1/2" of hand
layed glass at the turn of the bilge. Its 39 LOA. That 1 1/2" came in
real handy when a Tidewater tug bounced off me two years ago. Still
have the green pant on the hull as a reminder.
The Captain was reall appolgetic. Invited me over for a tour and even
gave me a free soda. Pretty good deal. Nice guy too. Although, he
seemed a bit woried about somthing. Go figure.
Bob

A master of understatement!

I had at one point a J/29 to the east, me, a Viking 33 from '73, a
Chriscraft 33 foot 1965 sailboat (yes, they made 'em), and a Hunter 33
under three years old.

Kinda like having four approaches to boating just sitting there.

The J/29 was a nice boat, all right, but seemed skittish in a strong
blow. My boat is solid glass in the hull and has a old school raked
fin keel holding about 50% of the weight. It's stiff, but fast, but
modern conveniences and even 10 feet of beam ain't happening.

The ChrisCraft is about four inches shorter LOA than me, 19,000 lbs.
(twice me) and has about 15 inches more freeboard. The mast height
looks about the same, and it has a load of painted wood below and a
center cockpit and the smallest aft cabin you could imagine. It's
comfortable for two who aren't in a hurry, and I bet it's got way over
an inch of solid glass at the bilges. I know it's a bugger for the old
feller who owns it to dock, because it turns poorly and wants to keep
going. When it was being blown into its slip, it took two on the boat
and two on dock and three tries to get it in, and this hulk had to be
fended off my boat.

The Hunter 33? It's a plastic condo with loads of fixed portlights and
hatches, the most freeboard of all of us, and a boom eight feet off
the water. I get the heebies looking at the thing, frankly, but I can
tell you that every year, there's less of what I sail and more of
them.

R.

It was not always so however. It used to be that there was more of
a sense of community responsibility, or public spirit or morality -call
it whatever. It was the force that said profit is ok, but putting the
guy out of business and laying off folks is not. It said that part of
the magazine can be dedicated to an ideal other than the dollar bill.

As a general example, I cite "Cruising World". In 1976, when I
startd collecting them, the magazine was practically wall to wall
cruising stories, all interesting, all written with a layer of wonder at
this fairly new occupation (cruising). It was interesting and vital.

But enter one competitor who decides to allow in 10 extra pages of
charter crap, thus helping his bottom line, and the game is on. C/W had
to follow suit to appease their bottom line. Competition sees the need
to compete with more advertising etc etc etc.

Competition takes over mindlessly, and now we have the slick and
worthless C/W.

Larry



Dave wrote:
On 3 Feb 2006 08:53:57 -0800, "Bob" said:


The
editors are profit motivated and want to sell advertising space.


A person in business motivated by profit? I'm shocked. Shocked.

What happened to the knight in shining armor motivated only to do good
deeds? And what about his sidekick riding the donkey?

Huh? Enron is the poster boy for Capitalism without any morality or
control. They thought they had it all and their competitors had
nothing. To further their desire to completely vanquish their
competition, they pursued every illegal activity they came across.

It's real easy to say something is a "simple minded rant" when you
really have nothing to add but next time try adding something worth the
electricity that sent your missive to us.

Larry

wrote:

On 3 Feb 2006 13:57:29 -0800, "Bob" wrote:


What makes my comments so irrational?


The total disconnect between your words and the proposition you think
you're advancing. Incantation of the mantra "Enron" is not an argument
It's a simple-minded rant.