"Bryan" wrote:
How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons
of diesel without using the sails ?

I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it
but why bother?

Why does Tayana build sailboats that can go 2,000 nm under
power on a single tank (325 gallons) of diesel ?

If I actually want to sail across the Atlantic or Pacific wouldn't
it be nice to know that if the mast and sails and communication
equipments get damaged I won't be stranded in the middle of
the ocean ?

And if I can replace the water in the ballast tank with up to
150 gallons of diesel then my boat won't be any heavier than
necessary. So doesn't this make it an even more logical thing
to do ?

There are also other advantages of having a bluewater boat that
is trailerable.

For example, if you live on the East Coast of the U.S. you won't
have to lose your boat to the hurricanes if you can just put it on
your trailer and move it further inland.

Or if you live on the West Coast and would like to go sailing
in the Bahamas you can just tow your boat to Florida and sail
from there without having to go down to Panama.

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"Bryan" wrote:
How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons
of diesel without using the sails ?

I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it
but why bother?

Why does Tayana build sailboats that can go 2,000 nm under
power on a single tank (325 gallons) of diesel ?

If I actually want to sail across the Atlantic or Pacific wouldn't
it be nice to know that if the mast and sails and communication
equipments get damaged I won't be stranded in the middle of
the ocean ?

And if I can replace the water in the ballast tank with up to
150 gallons of diesel then my boat won't be any heavier than
necessary. So doesn't this make it an even more logical thing
to do ?

There are also other advantages of having a bluewater boat that
is trailerable.

For example, if you live on the East Coast of the U.S. you won't
have to lose your boat to the hurricanes if you can just put it on
your trailer and move it further inland.

Or if you live on the West Coast and would like to go sailing
in the Bahamas you can just tow your boat to Florida and sail
from there without having to go down to Panama.

Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls and cartoon
characters belong......

"Danny" wrote:
wrote:

"Bryan" wrote:
How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons
of diesel without using the sails ?

I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it
but why bother?

Why does Tayana build sailboats that can go 2,000 nm under
power on a single tank (325 gallons) of diesel ?

If I actually want to sail across the Atlantic or Pacific wouldn't
it be nice to know that if the mast and sails and communication
equipments get damaged I won't be stranded in the middle of
the ocean ?

And if I can replace the water in the ballast tank with up to
150 gallons of diesel then my boat won't be any heavier than
necessary. So doesn't this make it an even more logical thing
to do ?

There are also other advantages of having a bluewater boat that
is trailerable.

For example, if you live on the East Coast of the U.S. you won't
have to lose your boat to the hurricanes if you can just put it on
your trailer and move it further inland.

Or if you live on the West Coast and would like to go sailing
in the Bahamas you can just tow your boat to Florida and sail
from there without having to go down to Panama.

Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls and
cartoon characters belong......

So what's wrong with my idea of building a trailerable bluewater
sailboat with diesel/water ballast ?

Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls
and cartoon characters belong......

So what's wrong with my idea of building a trailerable bluewater
sailboat with diesel/water ballast ?

I just called MacGregor and found out the followings:

1. With a 50 hp engine and two 12-gallon fuel tanks the range is
about 150 miles.

2. With a 10 hp engine and two 12-gallon fuel tanks the range is
400-500 miles (at 5.5 to 6 knots)

So with a 10 hp engine and 170 gallons of fuel the range would be
over 3,000 miles.

The fuel economy is close to 20 mpg (better than many SUV's).

At 5.5 knots it would take about two weeks to cross the Atlantic
(if the weather is good :-)

wrote:
Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls
and cartoon characters belong......
So what's wrong with my idea of building a trailerable bluewater
sailboat with diesel/water ballast ?

I just called MacGregor and found out the followings:

1. With a 50 hp engine and two 12-gallon fuel tanks the range is
about 150 miles.

2. With a 10 hp engine and two 12-gallon fuel tanks the range is
400-500 miles (at 5.5 to 6 knots)

So with a 10 hp engine and 170 gallons of fuel the range would be
over 3,000 miles.

The fuel economy is close to 20 mpg (better than many SUV's).

At 5.5 knots it would take about two weeks to cross the Atlantic
(if the weather is good :-)

So what the fuel economy if there's a headwind or even moderate seas?
What's the economy with an extra 3000 pounds of fuel and supplies?

Jeff wrote:
wrote:
Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls
and cartoon characters belong......
So what's wrong with my idea of building a trailerable bluewater
sailboat with diesel/water ballast ?

I just called MacGregor and found out the followings:

1. With a 50 hp engine and two 12-gallon fuel tanks the range is
about 150 miles.

2. With a 10 hp engine and two 12-gallon fuel tanks the range is
400-500 miles (at 5.5 to 6 knots)

So with a 10 hp engine and 170 gallons of fuel the range would be
over 3,000 miles.

The fuel economy is close to 20 mpg (better than many SUV's).

At 5.5 knots it would take about two weeks to cross the Atlantic
(if the weather is good :-)

So what the fuel economy if there's a headwind or even moderate seas?
What's the economy with an extra 3000 pounds of fuel and supplies?

I can call MacGregor again but don't know if they will be able to
answer these questions.

As mentioned earlier, the fuel replaces the water (or lead) ballast
in a conventional sailboat so it won't make the boat too heavy.

Also if I have a couple of watermakers and I'm good at fishing
I won't have to carry too much supplies.

If I want to build one myself it will have to be stronger and heavier
but I can make the ballast tank a little larger to hold more fuel.

How much do you think it will cost to build a 27-foot prototype
with 3 bedrooms ?

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:11:05 GMT, wrote:


How much do you think it will cost to build a 27-foot prototype
with 3 bedrooms ?

Why don't you just put an Airstream on pontoons, and a telephone pole
for a mast, and hang an outboard on the back?

Now I KNOW you're a troll.

R.

don't forget the extra weight of the fuel which will slightly degrade
fuel economy and adversely influence performance.
don't forget to add ten to 30 percent fuel reserve.
bring and EPIRB and a SATPHONE.
you will also need drinking water and food, which also adds hundreds of
pounds.

who was the japanese guy who crossed in a kayak without any power?
another guy crossed in a twelve foot boat and a ten hp outboard motor?

a man has to have a dream ...

editor
http://www.marineenginedigest.com

ed wrote:

don't forget the extra weight of the fuel which will slightly degrade
fuel economy and adversely influence performance.
don't forget to add ten to 30 percent fuel reserve.
bring and EPIRB and a SATPHONE.
you will also need drinking water and food, which also adds hundreds of
pounds.

who was the japanese guy who crossed in a kayak without any power?
another guy crossed in a twelve foot boat and a ten hp outboard motor?

a man has to have a dream ...

The thing to do is have adequate backup systems.

For example if he has the right emergency beacon thingies, maybe two
types, one for backup, and a quality floatation/life raft with attached
survival supplies, and regularly transmits his position and itinerary
during the trip, he might have some hardship and lose his boat and gear,
but he'll live, even if he is a troll.

--
Stephen

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