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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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prodigal1 wrote: wrote: Just for fun, say there's a MacGregor 26 off to the East a Contessa 26 to the West, and it's not Popeye's day. http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/lighthousewashout.jpg North: http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/Over.jpg South: http://www.mts.net/~lmlod/pampero.jpg Which way's he gonna swim? Maybe he should take a look here at what he may expect. I can only think these guys are trolls - or have never, ever, been to sea on anything but a calm day. http://tv-antenna.com/heavy-seas/5/ Best, BrianH. |
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Maybe he should take a look here at what he may expect. I can only think these guys are trolls - or have never, ever, been to sea on anything but a calm day. http://tv-antenna.com/heavy-seas/5/ Best, BrianH. You obviously don`t understand the master plan- they intend to pick a calm day to cross the Atlantic ;-)) Bob Larder |
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
prodigal1 wrote: wrote: However, now I'm getting more curious because the consensus seems to be that the length of the boat is not an issue. it isn't google for Tania Aebi and Contessa 26 no water ballast... but why the hell would you want it? Thanks prodigal. I've found a few Contessa 26 at yachtworld.com all of which are over 20 years old. With a water ballast you can let the water out to reduce the weight of the boat so you can tow it with a car or small SUV. Another idea is to build a trailerable boat with a water ballast tank and put a bag inside this tank for storing up to 150 gallons of diesel (in addition to 20 gallons in the standard fuel tank). Sea water can be added to the ballast tank as fuel is drawn out without seriously affecting the weight distribution of the boat. How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? |
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
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Thanks prodigal. I've found a few Contessa 26 at yachtworld.com all of which are over 20 years old. This sounds like you don't like the idea of a 20+ year old boat. Age isn't the issue either. Mine is going to be 40 years old next summer and look what some of my friends have been up to with good old boats like mine .. http://www.cafesmersdusud.com/oceanothon.htm http://www.clic.net/~dcooper/hinterh...titdelire.html With a water ballast you can let the water out to reduce the weight of the boat so you can tow it with a car or small SUV. Another idea is to build a trailerable boat with a water ballast tank and put a bag inside this tank for storing up to 150 gallons of diesel (in addition to 20 gallons in the standard fuel tank). Sea water can be added to the ballast tank as fuel is drawn out without seriously affecting the weight distribution of the boat. fine, but in my world, the H2O stays outside the hull --as best as I can keep it that way-- and cars and spitSUV's/spit are for highways and landfill respectively How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? on a sailboat, your primary drive is...the sails! the motor is your...auxilliary power. it's used to get you in and out of port. But all of this is fairly academic. Just coming in here and asking about --ocean +Mac26 indicates the need for _much_ more reading and even more forethought. |
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prodigal1 wrote: wrote: Thanks prodigal. I've found a few Contessa 26 at yachtworld.com all of which are over 20 years old. This sounds like you don't like the idea of a 20+ year old boat. Age isn't the issue either. Mine is going to be 40 years old next summer and look what some of my friends have been up to with good old boats like mine .. http://www.cafesmersdusud.com/oceanothon.htm http://www.clic.net/~dcooper/hinterh...titdelire.html I have no intention of buying one but my point was that the company might have gone out of business a long time ago. With a water ballast you can let the water out to reduce the weight of the boat so you can tow it with a car or small SUV. Another idea is to build a trailerable boat with a water ballast tank and put a bag inside this tank for storing up to 150 gallons of diesel (in addition to 20 gallons in the standard fuel tank). Sea water can be added to the ballast tank as fuel is drawn out without seriously affecting the weight distribution of the boat. fine, but in my world, the H2O stays outside the hull --as best as I can keep it that way-- and cars and spitSUV's/spit are for highways and landfill respectively How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? on a sailboat, your primary drive is...the sails! the motor is your...auxilliary power. it's used to get you in and out of port. But all of this is fairly academic. Just coming in here and asking about --ocean +Mac26 indicates the need for _much_ more reading and even more forethought. I wouldn't want to motor all the way across the Atlantic either but I would still want to know how far my boat can go under power. As stated earlier, I brought up the MacGregor only for the purpose of comparing it to the Bayliner. |
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I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it but why
bother? Bryan wrote in message . net... prodigal1 wrote: wrote: Thanks prodigal. I've found a few Contessa 26 at yachtworld.com all of which are over 20 years old. This sounds like you don't like the idea of a 20+ year old boat. Age isn't the issue either. Mine is going to be 40 years old next summer and look what some of my friends have been up to with good old boats like mine .. http://www.cafesmersdusud.com/oceanothon.htm http://www.clic.net/~dcooper/hinterh...titdelire.html I have no intention of buying one but my point was that the company might have gone out of business a long time ago. With a water ballast you can let the water out to reduce the weight of the boat so you can tow it with a car or small SUV. Another idea is to build a trailerable boat with a water ballast tank and put a bag inside this tank for storing up to 150 gallons of diesel (in addition to 20 gallons in the standard fuel tank). Sea water can be added to the ballast tank as fuel is drawn out without seriously affecting the weight distribution of the boat. fine, but in my world, the H2O stays outside the hull --as best as I can keep it that way-- and cars and spitSUV's/spit are for highways and landfill respectively How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? on a sailboat, your primary drive is...the sails! the motor is your...auxilliary power. it's used to get you in and out of port. But all of this is fairly academic. Just coming in here and asking about --ocean +Mac26 indicates the need for _much_ more reading and even more forethought. I wouldn't want to motor all the way across the Atlantic either but I would still want to know how far my boat can go under power. As stated earlier, I brought up the MacGregor only for the purpose of comparing it to the Bayliner. |
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"Bryan" wrote: How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it but why bother? Why does Tayana build sailboats that can go 2,000 nm under power on a single tank (325 gallons) of diesel ? If I actually want to sail across the Atlantic or Pacific wouldn't it be nice to know that if the mast and sails and communication equipments get damaged I won't be stranded in the middle of the ocean ? And if I can replace the water in the ballast tank with up to 150 gallons of diesel then my boat won't be any heavier than necessary. So doesn't this make it an even more logical thing to do ? There are also other advantages of having a bluewater boat that is trailerable. For example, if you live on the East Coast of the U.S. you won't have to lose your boat to the hurricanes if you can just put it on your trailer and move it further inland. Or if you live on the West Coast and would like to go sailing in the Bahamas you can just tow your boat to Florida and sail from there without having to go down to Panama. |
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
wrote in message k.net... "Bryan" wrote: How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it but why bother? Why does Tayana build sailboats that can go 2,000 nm under power on a single tank (325 gallons) of diesel ? If I actually want to sail across the Atlantic or Pacific wouldn't it be nice to know that if the mast and sails and communication equipments get damaged I won't be stranded in the middle of the ocean ? And if I can replace the water in the ballast tank with up to 150 gallons of diesel then my boat won't be any heavier than necessary. So doesn't this make it an even more logical thing to do ? There are also other advantages of having a bluewater boat that is trailerable. For example, if you live on the East Coast of the U.S. you won't have to lose your boat to the hurricanes if you can just put it on your trailer and move it further inland. Or if you live on the West Coast and would like to go sailing in the Bahamas you can just tow your boat to Florida and sail from there without having to go down to Panama. Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls and cartoon characters belong...... |
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
"Danny" wrote: wrote: "Bryan" wrote: How far do you think a 26' boat can travel on 170 gallons of diesel without using the sails ? I supose you would most likely make it across the pond with it but why bother? Why does Tayana build sailboats that can go 2,000 nm under power on a single tank (325 gallons) of diesel ? If I actually want to sail across the Atlantic or Pacific wouldn't it be nice to know that if the mast and sails and communication equipments get damaged I won't be stranded in the middle of the ocean ? And if I can replace the water in the ballast tank with up to 150 gallons of diesel then my boat won't be any heavier than necessary. So doesn't this make it an even more logical thing to do ? There are also other advantages of having a bluewater boat that is trailerable. For example, if you live on the East Coast of the U.S. you won't have to lose your boat to the hurricanes if you can just put it on your trailer and move it further inland. Or if you live on the West Coast and would like to go sailing in the Bahamas you can just tow your boat to Florida and sail from there without having to go down to Panama. Popeye: Sweetpea is calling for you. Go back to where trolls and cartoon characters belong...... So what's wrong with my idea of building a trailerable bluewater sailboat with diesel/water ballast ? |
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Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ?
Hey, people sail small boats across the ocean all the time. If that is what
you want to do, well by all means have at it. Don't forget to wear your hair shirt to add to your comfort and joy while aboard. "d parker" wrote in message ... wrote in message k.net... "ed" wrote: Think about range. calculate 2000 miles distance by a 5 mpg and you need how many gallons of fuel on board? How much space does 400 gallons of fuel require? How and where will you store it? Safely. What will the added weight (about a ton) do to stability? To mileage and handling? If you use bladders, will chafing cause a catastrophic leak? editor http://www.marineenginedigest.com I forgot to say that the MacGregor is a sailboat :-) It may not perform well crossing an ocean and may take twice as long as a good sailboat but since it cannot sink or capsize you won't have to worry about getting eaten by sharks. A sailboat boat definition only. Have a look a the lines of the thing and tell me what it would be like trying to pound that fat entry into an oncoming sea in a storm. http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/sa...fications.html It is a perfect boat for noob lake-sailors who want the comfort of being able to power home faster than they can sail. I prefer a boat that sails faster than it powers. The weight of a Honda 50 is 200+ lbs. ( http://www.honda-marine.com/pdfs/50hp.pdf ) Would you really like some fat guy hanging off your transom and slowing you down everytime you set sail. Cos thats what youve got! And thats just the Honda. Put a Merc on the back you have nearly 250lbs. Not very appealing eh? Cant sink? Great! http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/safety.html take a good look at that first photo. Its in nice weather against a Marina. Now imagine 20ft breaking waves- not at all unusal at sea. That boat would not under any circumstances be inhabitable or controllable in those conditions while flooded,. The boat would be rolled over and over again. The mast and boom would be snapped off and would become missiles. The crew would be washed from the boat or drowned/concussed/speared as they became victims of the waves/rig/hull. Yeah, I know thats all a bit negative, but its the truth. As most yachts rely on the engine to top up the batteries you will have to take enough petrol to last you two hours motoring per day at sea minimum. I wouldnt like having to take all that petrol with me to supply power. Deisel is prefered on yachts cos it is more economical and it doesnt go Kaboom. Oddly enough, the length of the boat would not be an issue. Many yachts smaller than that have done trasats as well as circum-navs. The difference being the other yachts were/are designed as blue water boats. Thats my 2 cents. DP |
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