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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote
I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and
same
direction traffic.

Hey Bill.
Here it is for you ins very simple terms

A boat is NOT a car.

DSK


But passing is passing.


Where Bill boats they have yellow lines painted on the water.
And traffic lights at the intersections.

I really believe he has turn signals on his boat.

SBV


Actually some of the lakes in the USA have buoys defining the lanes of
travel, and all boats have to go in the same direction on the same side of
the buoys. And I guess a Hoby Cat can turn which ever direction he wants at
any time he wants, without penalty of he hits another boat?

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
At this point, you've made it quite obvious that you are a clueless feeb
who is never going to get a clue, no matter how patiently it is explained
to you. But for the benefit of others, I'm going to go just a bit further
here.


A boat is NOT a car.


Bill McKee wrote:
But passing is passing.

No, it is not. If you would drive a boat at 60 mph just a few feet from
another boat... or any object in the water... then you should be
physically restrained from operating a boat since you are a deadly hazard
to yourself and others.

Are cars affected by wakes? Currents? Leeway? Do boats have brakes?

Suppose you "pass" another boat, just as you wuould in a car, at the same
moment a wake strikes that other boat and causes it to slew 20 degrees
momentarily? Or just when your own boat meets a wake?

If you overtake another vessel in such a way that you cannot avoid that
vessel if his boat turns, or rolls, or side-slips, or has some minor
equipment failure, the *you* have acted dangerously and incompetently.

DSK



You have minor or major equipment failure, you are responsible for the
damage. You should maintain your boat better. If you are lucky, you only
run into rocks or the bank, not into a swimming area. And you are supposed
to look before you turn. Being an sailboater, does not relieve you for
responsibility.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote
I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and
same
direction traffic.

Hey Bill.
Here it is for you ins very simple terms

A boat is NOT a car.

DSK


But passing is passing.


Where Bill boats they have yellow lines painted on the water.
And traffic lights at the intersections.

I really believe he has turn signals on his boat.

SBV


Actually some of the lakes in the USA have buoys defining the lanes of
travel, and all boats have to go in the same direction on the same side of
the buoys. And I guess a Hoby Cat can turn which ever direction he wants
at any time he wants, without penalty of he hits another boat?

I guess you don't know the Rules of the Road.

Hint: It's a Hobie not a Hoby Cat.

Wow, you're really knowledgeable about boats!

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"Bill McKee" wrote
A boat is a car..


Where Bill boats they have yellow lines painted on the water.
And traffic lights at the intersections.

I really believe he has turn signals on his boat.

SBV


Actually some of the lakes in the USA have buoys defining the
lanes of
travel, and all boats have to go in the same direction on the
same side of
the buoys. And I guess a Hoby Cat can turn which ever
direction he wants at
any time he wants, without penalty of he hits another boat?


So it was a Hobie Cat you were bearing down on at 25MPH.

Were you trying to get revenge because of this;
http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWir...Repellent.html

SBV

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote
A boat is a car..


Where Bill boats they have yellow lines painted on the water.
And traffic lights at the intersections.

I really believe he has turn signals on his boat.

SBV


Actually some of the lakes in the USA have buoys defining the
lanes of
travel, and all boats have to go in the same direction on the
same side of
the buoys. And I guess a Hoby Cat can turn which ever
direction he wants at
any time he wants, without penalty of he hits another boat?


So it was a Hobie Cat you were bearing down on at 25MPH.

Were you trying to get revenge because of this;
http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWir...Repellent.html

SBV



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a sailboat
at all times.

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BTW would you mind not crossposting quite so much?

Bill McKee wrote:
No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a sailboat
at all times.


I guess you have to make my statements for me, since you have no answer
for the ones I actually make myself.

If the sailboat was being propelled by a motor, then they have to obey
the rules as a motorboat.

That does not excuse you from passing too close & too fast.

And, if you knew 1/2 as much about sailing as you think you know, it
would have been easy to see that they were preparing to raise their
sails, which usually is done while turned head-to-wind. They should have
checked for traffic first.

You are *still* not excused from passing too close & too fast.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a sailboat
at all times.


How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised
the sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote
A boat is a car..


Where Bill boats they have yellow lines painted on the water.
And traffic lights at the intersections.

I really believe he has turn signals on his boat.

SBV


Actually some of the lakes in the USA have buoys defining the
lanes of
travel, and all boats have to go in the same direction on the
same side of
the buoys. And I guess a Hoby Cat can turn which ever
direction he wants at
any time he wants, without penalty of he hits another boat?


So it was a Hobie Cat you were bearing down on at 25MPH.

Were you trying to get revenge because of this;
http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWir...Repellent.html

SBV



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a sailboat
at all times.

Bzzzt. You passed too close.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

He was going too fast. No time. He was late for lunch.

--
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www.sailnow.com

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
BTW would you mind not crossposting quite so much?

Bill McKee wrote:
No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.


I guess you have to make my statements for me, since you have no answer
for the ones I actually make myself.

If the sailboat was being propelled by a motor, then they have to obey the
rules as a motorboat.

That does not excuse you from passing too close & too fast.

And, if you knew 1/2 as much about sailing as you think you know, it would
have been easy to see that they were preparing to raise their sails, which
usually is done while turned head-to-wind. They should have checked for
traffic first.

You are *still* not excused from passing too close & too fast.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


I just reply to the groups you poast to.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

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Is there any chance of declaring a cease-fire on this thread, or at least
consigning it to newsgroups other than rec.boats.building?

It has had nothing to do with boat-building for the last 100 or so
acrimonious, ad-hominem entries.

Please allow us to get back to our usual squabbles over wood versus
fiberglass. (g)

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death.

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"Alex" wrote in message
. net...
Is there any chance of declaring a cease-fire on this thread, or at least
consigning it to newsgroups other than rec.boats.building?

It has had nothing to do with boat-building for the last 100 or so
acrimonious, ad-hominem entries.

Please allow us to get back to our usual squabbles over wood versus
fiberglass. (g)

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death.


Ah, but you should have interjected something about the potential difference
between the damage sustained on a fiberglass vs. wooden vessel!

Would the fiberglass better absorb the blow? g

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I've been sailing - you know, quietly enjoying time on the water, in an
area where there are *no* PWC's......

As for your pathetic whine below, WRT breaking speed zones etc, sure.
As for not carrying safety gear aboard, I don't give a rat's, frankly,
since the only people going to be harmed are those directly
responsible.

Ditto for consuming alcohol.

Now where does that leave you? Nowhere because you know damn well that
the reason PWC and owners of PWC have such a bad rep is because they
*earned* it.

PDW

In article .com,
wrote:

Again, to both of you, I guess you're being oh so humorous, but should
these same kind of penalties be applied towards other non-pwc boaters
who break the rules, speed or wake zones, overtaking or being overtaken
improperly, not having enough life jackets on board or not having
jackets on all children, drinking alcoholic beverages while
boating....or is it just those violators whose boat types annoy you
personally, who should be subject to this kind of thing? Just
wondering.

richforman

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I didn't mention killing anyone. A small charge that trashed the engine
would do fine.

PDW

In article . com,
wrote:

I'd support letting PWC back on the water if and only if they came
equipped with an explosive charge that detonated if the vehicle
exceeded the speed limits in mooring fields or other slow speed zones,
or within say 50m of the shoreline. Those who want to play chicken with
boats underway, I'd leave to the shotgun and rifle owning fraternity.

Then of course you'd support the same system for ANY power boats, that
they'd ALL explode and kill the operator if you exceeded the speed
limits or broke any rules? If so,
I'd go RIGHT along with you.

Or that should only apply to pwc operators, because they annoy you and
you don't like them?

richforman

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I've been gone a week and I notice Rich hasn't had the guts to tackle
this one.

Guess I was spot-on when I said he didn't just want to get out on the
water, he wanted to get on the water AND GO FAST.

Really, he's like Bobsprit except the saving grace with sailboats is
you need some knowledge and skill to operate one, thus keeping Bob
moored to a dock. Any idiot with a credit card can run a PWC, so that's
what you usually get.

PDW

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Yeah. Get a sailing dinghy. Not only will it cost less to buy than a
PWC, it'll cost a lot less to run, too, even with a 2HP Honda 4 stroke
outboard.

I had a 4HP, 2 stroke on mine. I guess I'm a jet-skier... sigh.

Hah, i'm looking at getting a 3 HP for my daysailer.

But people like this one don't do that, because they not only want to
be on the water, they also want to go fast without learning sailing
skills.

Amended: boating skills. We wouldn't want to exclude Doug. :-)

Doug still owns a sailboat and knows a lot more about sailing than I
do. Not, note, that I claim it's a difficult thing to do.....

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In article , DSK
wrote:

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in
JimC,
If there is a collision and both boats could have avoided the collision,
both boats can be held partially reasonable. If the sailboat in a passing
situation turns in front of another boat and it is not reasonable for the
other boater to avoid the collision, the powerboater will not be held
responsible.


Do you realize that your two statements are a direct contradiction of
each other?

Jim Carter wrote:
Dr. Smithers, the first part of your statement is absolutely correct. The
second part of your statement is incorrect in as much as there is no such
thing as it being "not reasonable" for the powerboater to avoid the
collision in the way Bill has described the situation. In this case it
would have been the fault of Bill's judgement. He was too close and too
fast in the situation. He MUST stay clear in the overtaking situation.


But to most motorboaters, it is unreasonable to slow down and give other
boats a wide berth. They have a RIGHT to go blasting right past any
sailboat, close aboard, and by golly that durn sailboat better just stay
outta their way!

This is just the flipside of Donal's opinion that freighters in fog
need to keep out of the way of his sailboat, and mount a visual lookout
to ensure they comply.....

PDW

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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

Yeah, and if you hadn't instituted a dangerously close overtaking
manoeuvre, there would have been plenty of time and there wouldn't have
been a problem.

Have you got the idea yet? You were wrong.

PDW

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

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In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

It's obvious to just about everyone else. You were way too close,
going too fast. It's primarly your fault.




--
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www.sailnow.com

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Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .

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In article . net,
Roger Derby wrote:
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

I think someone did but probably dropped the cross post. I've been
trying to do that after being chided about this having not a lot to do
with boat building... maybe rebuilding? g

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"Roger Derby" wrote in message
ink.net...
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved
in a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .


Then you clip the distribution list. I only reply all.

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This


I guess most sailboaters are idiot then

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In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Then you clip the distribution list. I only reply all.

Why does this not surprise me... typical obnoxious jet-skier with no
regard for anyone else.
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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
...

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This


I guess most sailboaters are idiot then

Then you should stay well clear of the lot of us for your own safety!!



--
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www.sailnow.com

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Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This
with emphasis when there is a huge relative speed difference. You're
ignoring all the other bits of the Colregs - did you sound the
appropriate signals and get an acknowledgement? No? Were you travelling
at a speed that enabled you to avoid collision in the event of an
unexpected change of course? Only just and that by good luck. There are
a lot of reasons why a sailboat may change course, running into shoal
water being just one of them.

You are dangerously ignorant and a menace to other watercraft. I saw an
idiot just like you the other day go at high speed right between 2
boats drift fishing when he had some 5 nautical miles of width to pick
from. There is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. If I'd been on the
sailboat, I'd have reported you for endangering my vessel.

PDW

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed.



Peter, the ability to think is not one of Bill's McKee's attributes. He
keeps on insisting that only his thoughts are correct when he is completely
wrong. He can't even read and comprehend what is in the Collision
Regulations.


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...
I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have
to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue
in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Bill. A sailboat is still a sailboat, even if the motor is running.
It
has to be in gear with the propulsion machinery in motion to be
classified
as a power boat. There are many reasons for a sailboat to have the
motor
running and not in gear. Recharging batteries, running a motor driven
pump
or other on board device not pertaining to the propulsion of the
vessel.

You are still at fault for being too fast and too close if you collide
with
the sailboat. Do you not have enough brain power to comprehend this?

Jim C.



He was not a sailboat. Motor running, not a sailboat. If I put up a
little
sail, and go along at 50 miles per hour in a gofast boat, and kick it in
to
neutral just before I ram another boat, it is ok? I am now a sail boat.

Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb
this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section Schedule 1
(sections
3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions" (c )

The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you,
in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written "propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the
clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This



I guess most sailboaters are idiot then


If you believe that...sell your boat and stay off the water. It's not
safe out there!

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Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants. Just keep him away from the legislators or else he will start
calling for direction signals (that he probably does not use in his pick
up) and brake lights (how we get brakes is yet to be determined).
If you think people like this are a not to be carefully watched over by
a competent adult, remember that in several states it is now non-lawful
to be on the foredeck underway.
Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licnesed Mariner and Congenital Sailor

Roger Derby wrote:
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Matt Colie
wrote:

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants.

Yeah, ok. I was going to ask him where on the planet you're allowed to
drive at 200 to 300 mph a couple feet away from a vehicle travelling at
50 mph, but that'd no doubt go over his head too.

Let's hope he argues with a big ship.

PDW

Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right
of way" over large ships.

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5. Nomen Nescio
Oct 23, 7:20 pm show options

Newsgroups: alt.sport.jet-ski, rec.boats.building, rec.boats.cruising
From: Nomen Nescio ] -
"



Yes. You need to take your jet ski to an acid dip facility
and leave it in over night. Encourage your friends to do
the same.



This is hateful, childish, and just plain mean spirited.

There is NO place for this kind of behavior here, or anywhere
else that may be connected with sailing, cruising, or water sports.


A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because you don't like his choice of vessel, you think you have the right to be dismissive and rude. That is plain wrong.


I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.


Yeah, another statistic of a "hate crime"

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right
of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn

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In article , Matt Colie
wrote:

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants.

Yeah, ok. I was going to ask him where on the planet you're allowed to
drive at 200 to 300 mph a couple feet away from a vehicle travelling at
50 mph, but that'd no doubt go over his head too.

Let's hope he argues with a big ship.

PDW

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?

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Bill McKee wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
hlink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn



Who has "right of way"?


Need more info.

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"Bill McKee" wrote

And I am not a sailboater


That is blatantly obvious.

SBV

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"Bill McKee" wrote


Who has "right of way"?


No one.

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"Gary" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
thlink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn



Who has "right of way"?
Need more info.

Trick question. There is no "right of way".