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And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is
not propelling equipment? "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a credit rating. Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water lice were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman) didn't know any better. By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder he had on board. Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner Bill McKee wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control it if you release the throttle? Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do. We are. You guys are just another hazard on the water. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and immature attitude, but it's yours to have. But think what you may, by every classification except yours, we are boaters. Like almost all of the riparian property owners around here (riparian..... as in owning property ON the lake.... not just having public or private access) I happen to own a number of boats. Five to be exact. And like almost all of the other riparian property owners, a couple of my boats happen to be PWC's. I'm sure that you find my pontoon boat to be an atrocity.... and I'll wager a small bet that you absolutely think that my pleasure cruiser is an abomination.... and that my ski boat just absolutely sucks because it doesn't sport a sail and can't perform the duties that you apparently think are the only appropriate duties to be performed on the waterways. But I don't much care. You are a member of the (thankfully) small group of boaters that really doesn't deserve to be accommodated by the others on what is absolutely a shared common resource. If you complain about a powerboat causing a wake that disrupts your tack.... I (and many others) don't care. If you complain about a PWC generating noise that disrupts your quiet siesta..... I (and many others) don't care. And if you complain about the frenzied activities of others making it difficult for you to pursue your slow and monotonous path along the waterways I absolutely and positively don't care. And I don't care because it is completely asinine of you to think that other BOATERS should or would afford you any courtesy or strike you any compromise when it is so painfully clear that you are absolutely unwilling to strike any compromise on their behalf or afford them the same courtesy. And you reap what you sow. Soooo skipper... have a nice sail. But you know.. the next time you find yourself being annoyed by powerboaters and/or PWC's...... just stop and think for a second. Maybe, just maybe these BOATERS are annoying you simply because you're an ASS. Giz |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in
ink.net: "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. Show proof as to why. otn |
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"Bill McKee" wrote Better do a little research. OH , THE IRONY !!!!!!!! SBV |
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"The_Giz" wrote But I don't much care. Ahhh, there's that powerboat mentality that we've all grown to love. SV |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn According to Admiralty Law, and the Collision Regulations, you are correct in saying that your vessel is a sailboat when the engine is running but not propelling the vessel. James D. Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
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at least it was on topic!
NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K |
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"Scotty" wrote in message ... "The_Giz" wrote But I don't much care. Ahhh, there's that powerboat mentality that we've all grown to love. SV No, no, no, no no...... sigh Ya see.... there's part of the problem. You need to isolate the actions and attitudes of the individual from those of the *group*. It's not the "powerboaters" mentality..... It's *MY* mentality. It's all mine. I own it. And I won't share. And it's not directed at "sailboaters". It's exclusively directed at Jonathan. It's all his. And he earned it. And God knows, we all know... he won't share either. Giz |
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The_Giz wrote:
Soooo skipper... have a nice sail. But you know.. the next time you find yourself being annoyed by powerboaters and/or PWC's...... just stop and think for a second. Maybe, just maybe these BOATERS are annoying you simply because you're an ASS. Around here it usually means the powerboater left it on autopilot while he went to take a leak, and then he stopped for a beer. |
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Everybody on the Internet is a member of Mensa.
I don't know about that - I'm not, didn't keep up the dues because I wasn't really getting much out of it - didn't need to join another club and go to meetings and events because my life is already pretty full with the day job, wife, kids, working weekends as a musician, and boating. But I was a member for a year or two, just a few years back; I just took the entrance test out of curiosity and pride (egotism I guess), was pretty sure I'd get in and I did. Then I found out that I didn't even need to take the test, could have gotten in just by showing my SAT results, also in the top 2% percentile of the population....not to brag or anything, but someone in the post earlier questioned my intelligence, and believe me, it's not in question. richforman |
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In article ,
The_Giz wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do. We are. You guys are just another hazard on the water. Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and immature attitude, but it's yours to have. No, it's not. EVERYTHING on the water is a potential hazard. If you think otherwise, then you're the one with the problem. But think what you may, by every classification except yours, we are boaters. No. EVERYTHING ON THE WATER YOU DUNCE! atrocity.... and I'll wager a small bet that you absolutely think that my pleasure cruiser is an abomination.... and that my ski boat just absolutely sucks because it doesn't sport a sail and can't perform the duties that you Not at all. Neither in fact. It's typically the people on them that are the abomination. You are a member of the (thankfully) small group of boaters that really doesn't deserve to be accommodated by the others on what is absolutely a Bwahahaha.. well, you told me off didn't you! Soooo skipper... have a nice sail. But you know.. the next time you find yourself being annoyed by powerboaters and/or PWC's...... just stop and think for a second. Maybe, just maybe these BOATERS are annoying you simply because you're an ASS. I did think that once, then I came to my senses!! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article ,
The_Giz wrote: No, no, no, no no...... sigh Ya see.... there's part of the problem. You need to isolate the actions and attitudes of the individual from those of the *group*. It's not the "powerboaters" mentality..... It's *MY* mentality. It's all mine. I own it. And I won't share. And it's not directed at "sailboaters". It's exclusively directed at Jonathan. It's all his. And he earned it. And God knows, we all know... he won't share either. Be quiet Scotty, I EARNED IT! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and immature attitude, but it's yours to have. No, it's not. EVERYTHING on the water is a potential hazard. If you think otherwise, then you're the one with the problem. Ahhh... so now we've gone from being a HAZARD to being a *potential* hazard. I see a huge difference between the two (potential murderer... murder.... shrug)... but to you I'm sure it's just minutia. The DUNCE |
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Terry,
Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K |
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You are a hazard. Jet-skis are potential hazards.
Clar? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "The_Giz" wrote in message ... Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and immature attitude, but it's yours to have. No, it's not. EVERYTHING on the water is a potential hazard. If you think otherwise, then you're the one with the problem. Ahhh... so now we've gone from being a HAZARD to being a *potential* hazard. I see a huge difference between the two (potential murderer... murder.... shrug)... but to you I'm sure it's just minutia. The DUNCE |
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"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. |
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You are a hazard. Jet-skis are potential hazards. Clar? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com As are you in your sailboat. Care to argue that point? Giz |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. But, that's not what the rules actually say. They are quite explicit, the propulsion machinery must be used. A sailboat warming up its engine, or running it to charge batteries, is still a sailboat. OTOH, if they failed to use it to avoid a collision, they'd have some explaining to do. But that's the case whether or not it was running. Further, the sailboat's responsibilities are its concern. It's your responsibility to treat a vessel that looks like a sailboat as a sailboat. That includes not passing within 15 feet at 25 mph. |
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next.victim wrote:
.. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request Bill is one of those 'know it alls' that can never admit their own ignorance. Captain Nemo himself couldn't convince him the difference between 'stand on' and 'giveway'. The only safe solution is a lifelong ban from operating a power boat on public waterways. He should think about re-locating to Derby, Kansas where he'd have all the roadside ditches and farm ponds to himself....that is unless Skipper decides to buy another boat. |
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Even at the dock? That's pretty mean!
However, everything on the water is a potential hazard. I'm glad you agree with me. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "The_Giz" wrote in message ... You are a hazard. Jet-skis are potential hazards. Clar? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com As are you in your sailboat. Care to argue that point? Giz |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net... "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Read the nav rules.... you're wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Read the nav rules.... you're wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com And the motor is not a propelling machinery? |
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LOL! here's one of my favorite threads about boaters AND jet-ski'rs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...77853f26 193c |
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Wow - this is amazing.
Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
Wow - this is amazing.
Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. |
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"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Wow - this is amazing. Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Are you really that stupid or are you just trolling? "vessel propelled by machinery" When your vessel's engine is off and/or you're not using it to move the vessel and you're not at anchor or at the dock, you're considered to be a vessel not under command. Fishing boats have special status... look up commercial fishing vessel engaged in fishing. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Bill, like I said before, you need to read the Collision Regulations before you ask dumb questions like you are asking. All of the answers for your questions can be found in the Collision Regulations. You, perhaps, should take a Power Squadron course so that they can help you understand how to read the regulations so that your questions don't even need to be asked. Well, anyway Bill, read Rule 18 for the answer to your question. If you don't understand rule 18, then perhaps you might give up boating and just watch it on TV. Jim C. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ... And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Are you really that stupid or are you just trolling? "vessel propelled by machinery" When your vessel's engine is off and/or you're not using it to move the vessel and you're not at anchor or at the dock, you're considered to be a vessel not under command. Bill's boat should be considered "not under command" at all times. However, I'm not sure turning off the engine of a powerboat, or putting it in neutral, makes it a NUC. The rules are specific that showing the appropriate signal is required, though you could claim that an open engine hatch is a reasonable substitute for small boats. However, the important aspect is that vessels don't acquire special status "in secret;" their status must be apparent to all at a distance. This is why, for instance, the categories of vessels are not significant in restricted visibility. The status of a vessel in neutral may have to be unraveled in an Admiralty Court, but captains will be judged by how they reacted to the information they had at hand. If it was determined that a "sailboat" was actually a powerboat, Bill will not be absolved of his responsibility to keep clear, though his liability might be reduced somewhat. Similarly, boaters should be aware of how they appear to others. There is no way to tell if someone drift fishing has their engine running, or is in gear, or is using a trolling motor, so they should know that other boats will expect them to act as they appear, as powerboats. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Technically correct, but, once again I send you to rule 2 otn |
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message .. . "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn And a stupid guy who is motoring with his sails up is going to run day signals or lights? LOL! |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? How old are you Bill? Are you still in grade school? Do you have trouble reading? Are you a little bit stupid? Do you have a copy of the Collision Regulations in front of you so you can actually read them? If you do, try this. Go to the page where is shows "Rule 3". Then read section (a) Got that Bill? Tell me what is written there. Then tell me if you understand what that means. Now go to section (b), and tell me what you see in this section. Do you understand what this means? Finally, go to section (c) and read this. Understand what you have just read and can you explain it to your simple brain? If not, then go take a safe boating course, because, you need one. Jim C. |
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wrote ... Everybody on the Internet is a member of Mensa. I don't know about that - I'm not, didn't keep up the dues because I wasn't really getting much out of it - didn't need to join another club and go to meetings and events because my life is already pretty full with the day job, wife, kids, working weekends as a musician, and boating. But I was a member for a year or two, just a few years back; I just took the entrance test out of curiosity and pride (egotism I guess), was pretty sure I'd get in and I did. Then I found out that I didn't even need to take the test, could have gotten in just by showing my SAT results, also in the top 2% percentile of the population....not to brag or anything, but someone in the post earlier questioned my intelligence, and believe me, it's not in question. Dare I ask, then why do you own a PWC? ;) SBV |
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