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In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Bill,

If there was an accident and you were doing 25 mph within 15 ft. of another
boat, in a narrow channel, even if the other boat changed direction on a
whim, you would most likely be found partially responsibility for the
accident.
Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim.
You do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You
change lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

More than partially. Significantly. You see, he doesn't give a crap
about the effect his 40-foot boat has on anyone else. Wake be damned.

This is the sort of person who institutionalizes giving powerboaters a
bad name.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Now what the heck do you fnd so wrong with my attitude? What have I
done or said to hurt or insult you? (Okay, maybe I called you an
asshole somewhere along the line, but I was kind of provoked!)....
aside from that all I've been doing is defending myself and a huge
number of others, and trying to inform you of some things you obviously
don't know. Seriously - how am I out of line exactly? Have I spoken
arrogantly? Just by TALKING about pwc's and trying to explain why
they and their riders are not so bad? Just that in itself ****es you
off and makes you dislike me more? Seems like I can't win.

If someone insulted or dismissed some group you were proud to be a part
of, and made claims you felt you were unfair about you and dozens or
hundreds of your friends, and you tried to defend yourself and provide
them with a little extra knowledge and information that they obviously
didn't know ....and their response was just to hurl more insults, to
the effect, "well you're just continuing to show why I hate you and
don't want you around with that attitude"....how would that make you
feel, "j" ganz.

Anyway, your response just illustrates again that you're dug in and
completely refuse to reconsider your hardened preconceived notions no
matter how much new information is presented to you.

Jetski's don't suck. Like I explained in specific detail, there are an
awful lot of good things about them at the very least - clean-running,
quiet, fuel-efficient, affordable, exhilirating, fun, versatile, and a
great way to enjoy the water with family and friends for those of us
who maybe can't afford to own and run a bigger power-boat.....guess I"m
just trying to get you to admit that on consideration maybe they don't
suck so much. Lots of your fellow boaters who have bigger boats and
sailboats too, have pwc's as well. So are those people annoying jerks
when riding their pwc's but fine seamen when sailing? It's not
logical.

Really, I"m rereading my very last post above that you respond to and
say I'm a prime example of pwc owners' bad attitude, and can't find
anything wrong in my post to provoke your response.. It's not
aggressive or boastful or insulting in tune, on the contrary, it reads
as pretty reasonable, measured, and everything it says is pretty true
and fair. Do I come off as a speed-loving macho inconsiderate careless
jerk like you say you find pwc owners to be? Can't you tell from my
relating my experiences and feelings that I'm a boater with a lot in
common with you?

And the fact that you keep stubbornly and nastily insisting that they
just suck says a lot more about your "attitude" than mine.

Thanks for the chat, I guess, sorry to have annoyed you so.

richforman

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wrote in message
ups.com...
Now what the heck do you fnd so wrong with my attitude? What have I
done or said to hurt or insult you? (Okay, maybe I called you an
asshole somewhere along the line, but I was kind of provoked!)....

Oh, you were provoked! Got it!

aside from that all I've been doing is defending myself and a huge
number of others, and trying to inform you of some things you obviously
don't know. Seriously - how am I out of line exactly? Have I spoken
arrogantly? Just by TALKING about pwc's and trying to explain why
they and their riders are not so bad? Just that in itself ****es you
off and makes you dislike me more? Seems like I can't win.

You're claiming that there isn't much of a problem with PWCs and their
riders, when there is quite a large problem. Not ****ed off at all. Amused
perhaps is better word. You're trying to defend the indefensible by claiming
that the new ones aren't so bad.

If someone insulted or dismissed some group you were proud to be a part
of, and made claims you felt you were unfair about you and dozens or
hundreds of your friends, and you tried to defend yourself and provide
them with a little extra knowledge and information that they obviously
didn't know ....and their response was just to hurl more insults, to
the effect, "well you're just continuing to show why I hate you and
don't want you around with that attitude"....how would that make you
feel, "j" ganz.

If you have a rational, well-thought out argument in favor of opening up all
places to PWCs, go for. Make your case. Between now and then, I will
continue to look upon the PWC crowd with suspicion based on my experience
and those of my fellow sailors.

Anyway, your response just illustrates again that you're dug in and
completely refuse to reconsider your hardened preconceived notions no
matter how much new information is presented to you.

Observable facts on the water. Happy to reconsider, but no good reason at
this point.

Jetski's don't suck. Like I explained in specific detail, there are an
awful lot of good things about them at the very least - clean-running,

Gawd... NEW ONES MAYBE

Really, I"m rereading my very last post above that you respond to and

Well, I'm sorry, but I just don't remember which post you're referring to...

and fair. Do I come off as a speed-loving macho inconsiderate careless
jerk like you say you find pwc owners to be? Can't you tell from my
relating my experiences and feelings that I'm a boater with a lot in
common with you?

Well, yeah, actually you do. I'm sure you and do have a lot in common, but
you're defending a machine and more importantly an attitude by continually
claiming that the problem is basically fixed. It isn't.

And the fact that you keep stubbornly and nastily insisting that they
just suck says a lot more about your "attitude" than mine.

I guess I'm just the stubborn kind.

Thanks for the chat, I guess, sorry to have annoyed you so.

I think I should apologize. I've clearly annoyed you. You don't annoy me at
all, unless you're typing while buzzing the harbor on your jet-ski.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)

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wrote

We seem to be talking past each other on this point: you keep
bringing
up sailboats
and I keep saying I"m talking about pwc's and other power
boats. In
fact I've already
conceded that sail boaters probably cause fewer problems and in
general
behave better.
I'm making the point that pwc's and their operators are not
very
different from any other kind of POWER BOATS.

I agree with rich, ALL power boats should be banned.

SBV

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Boy, this guy sure is humorless... kinda funny actually.


I wonder if he'd see the humour in this?

http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWir...Repellent.html

SBV

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Well, we have to start somewhere...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
wrote

We seem to be talking past each other on this point: you keep
bringing
up sailboats
and I keep saying I"m talking about pwc's and other power
boats. In
fact I've already
conceded that sail boaters probably cause fewer problems and in
general
behave better.
I'm making the point that pwc's and their operators are not
very
different from any other kind of POWER BOATS.

I agree with rich, ALL power boats should be banned.

SBV

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"Bill McKee" wrote


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors
daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the
right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree
in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and
then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and
when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.


Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV

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That's not his address and phone number, it's mine.
Capt' Joe is an asshole.
And has been reported.


SBV


"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com
wrote in message ...
Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include
your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.


"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On 2 Nov 2005 16:47:08 -0800, lid (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

In article
. net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly
you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument
on the
merits.

Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to
name calling
when it
suited his own purposes.


Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118

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"Bill McKee" wrote

I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

No, you should hand the paddle over to your Mom and bend over.

SV

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"Bill McKee" wrote

Not when he is 15' from me and makes a 90 degree turn in front
of a boat
moving 25 miles per hour. His responsibility requires him to
avoid the
collision and has to keep in a continous direction when being
overtaken.


This guy is scaring me. Wonder where he boats?

SV

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"Jeff" wrote
I would not, however, want this to indicate support for Bill's
position. At 25 knots he's going over 42 ft/sec; or 422 feet
in the
10 secs it took the sailboat to tack. It was reckless and in
obvious
violation of various rules to even be within 15 feet of a
sailboat
while going that fast. I would claim that the statement the
sailboat
"turned 15 feet in front of boat doing 25 knots" is a clear
indication
that the powerboater was not in full control of his faculties.


More than likely , as most powerboaters, he was drunk, too.

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"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV

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"Bill McKee" wrote

If your gas engine is running, you are a power boat!


WHEW! That's a relief. I've got a diesel engine. I'd hate to
be labeled a power boater.

SV

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All of our inboard are diesel, so I guess we're home free and can run into
whomever we want. Thanks for the tip!

Do our outboards count if they're running but in neutral? How about if I
leave the prop out of the water while it's running and just feed the water
intake from a hose?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote

If your gas engine is running, you are a power boat!


WHEW! That's a relief. I've got a diesel engine. I'd hate to
be labeled a power boater.

SV

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"Michael Gardner" wrote in message
...
In article et,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I
not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Everyone knows its not a sailboat, but it is most often, a very
underpowered powerboat with limited maneuvering ability, a deeper draft
than the average powerboat and more affected by the wind (even with the
sails down).
--
sig goes here

Everyone does not seem to know it is a powerboat. And as to the rest of the
stuff, means nada.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
...


Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack into
the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

Ok. I'm done with you. It's pretty clear that you're a jerk. You
claimed that you represent the best and brightest of jet-skiers, and
if that's the case, there's really not much else I can say.

Have a great life, and if by chance you get near me with your piece of
crap jet-ski, you damn well better be doing everything by the book.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Bzzt: wrong again. I never said I was a jetski. My boat has a jetdrive,
but is not a jetski.

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"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)

So you are a drunk also.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors
daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the
right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree
in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and
then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and
when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.


Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV




Nope, but you expect other boaters to also be aware of their surroundings.
And not make unexpected course changes. You ignore all other boats around
you. You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no signal and
ends up paying several thousand dollars to repair my F-I-L's sailboat.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote

I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

No, you should hand the paddle over to your Mom and bend over.

SV



I see you are also into S&M as well as idiocy.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV



Barely. Because I was not drunk like most sailors.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack
into the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?

Well, let's see how this works. You're close enough to for it to be able to
tack into the side of your boat. What would the maritime arbitration panel
say if it went to them? If you don't know what I'm talking about, google it.

John Cairns

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ENUFF AWREDDY!!!!!!

Capt. JG wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
.. .

Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV




Nope, but you expect other boaters to also be aware of their surroundings.
And not make unexpected course changes. You ignore all other boats around
you. You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no signal and
ends up paying several thousand dollars to repair my F-I-L's sailboat.


Signalling? Do you stick your arm out when you want to make a right or a
left? Oh wait, I know, you flick your red light when you want to go left and
your green one when you want to go right. Never mind. I get it.



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----------
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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1
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DSK wrote:
Bill McKee wrote:

I may get a minority of the blame


Nah, majority.

... but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT!
He gets the majority of the fault.


Please cite the ColReg which says so.

DSK

Rule 17

Action by Stand-on Vessel

(a)(i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way, the other
shall keep her course and speed.

Gary

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV




Nope, but you expect other boaters to also be aware of their surroundings.
And not make unexpected course changes. You ignore all other boats around
you. You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no signal and
ends up paying several thousand dollars to repair my F-I-L's sailboat.

Signalling? Do you stick your arm out when you want to make a right or a
left? Oh wait, I know, you flick your red light when you want to go left and
your green one when you want to go right. Never mind. I get it.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?

Not too bright are you?

Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack
into the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?

Please don't switch from MPH to KTS. It's just too confusing!

Answer: PWCs are always at fault. They can't help it, they were built that
way.

Oh, you want a serious answer..

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV



Barely. Because I was not drunk like most sailors.

It might help. Give it a try.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
...

Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.
Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.
Bzzt: You are wrong. And its pretty clear you're a dangerous jackass
who doesn't belong on the water. Anyone who claims its common and
proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

Ok. I'm done with you. It's pretty clear that you're a jerk. You
claimed that you represent the best and brightest of jet-skiers, and
if that's the case, there's really not much else I can say.

Have a great life, and if by chance you get near me with your piece of
crap jet-ski, you damn well better be doing everything by the book.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Bzzt: wrong again. I never said I was a jetski. My boat has a jetdrive,
but is not a jetski.

I'm really glad you're not a jet-ski. I'm sure even when you hail from you
would not allow a doctor to shove a jet-ski up your ass.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...


In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...


In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...


Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires
much less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power
than my engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and
be sure you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people
here what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
DSK wrote:

Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:


Doug,
Do you have any idea how narrow many channels are?
Take a look at the majority of the St. Law. Seaway.


Actually, that's VERY wide as channels go. Are you suggesting that you
cannot manage to drive your boat along a course and keep it within 100
yards or so of where it should be?

Are you also suggesting that going SLOW when close to other boat traffic
is not an option?


Don't know about St. Lawrence, but were we sail, the channel can be
less than 30 ft. wide in spots.

Is that the channel that you sail in? How small is your boat? In
channels like that it is even more important that you understand the
basic rules.
(b)In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had
to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special
circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which
may make a departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger.

Gary

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.



A sailboat has right of way sometimes because he is sailing and
sometimes that impairs his ability to adjust his course and speed as is
required of power driven vessels. Don't think of a 30 foot sloop, think
of a 150' square rigger. When the rules were written they weren't
written with smal pleasure boats in mind, they were written with ships
in mind. When you are paddling your power boat you do have some
privileges over some other boats. If a 25 knot power boat over takes
you he has to keep clear. (More than 15 feet unless the channel is 30
feet wide, then he should slow to less than 25 knots)
The important thing is behave in a seamanlike manner.

Gary

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack into
the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?


Sailboat. Should have done a shoulder check first.
Easy, bring'em on!

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"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...


In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...


In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...


Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig

So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
ENUFF AWREDDY!!!!!!



Well Peggy, most should read your book. They are full of crap.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?



You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary

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"Gary" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
.. .



Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary

And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

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Bill McKee wrote:
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Bill McKee wrote:

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:


"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...



Bill McKee wrote:



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...




In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...




In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
. ..




Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.


Sure, we are all that stupid.