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In article . com,
wrote:
I'd support letting PWC back on the water if and only if they came
equipped with an explosive charge that detonated if the vehicle
exceeded the speed limits in mooring fields or other slow speed zones,
or within say 50m of the shoreline. Those who want to play chicken with
boats underway, I'd leave to the shotgun and rifle owning fraternity.

Then of course you'd support the same system for ANY power boats, that
they'd ALL explode and kill the operator if you exceeded the speed
limits or broke any rules? If so,
I'd go RIGHT along with you.

Or that should only apply to pwc operators, because they annoy you and
you don't like them?

Boy, this guy sure is humorless... kinda funny actually.

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to name calling when it
suited his own purposes.

Poor Billy... he's got a lot of anger. Please join us in feeling sorry
for him.


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In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.

He didn't. He's just trolling someone else from alt.sailing.asa.

Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118




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In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!




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In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
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In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Thank you for confirming what I thought was obvious. It's too bad that
Bill and many others have the mistaken belief that their power boats have
the "right of might" over sailing vessels.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield



The boat being overtaken has to continue in the same general direction,
allowing the safe passing. Review the Colregs. Maybe not an exact straigh
line.

Suggestion: read the colregs again. general direction????



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In article ,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzt: Sailboat made a bad move. Prove I was not paying attention, and that
an illegal direction change while being overtaken did not cause the
accident.

Bzzzzt... it doesn't matter. You need to be prepared to avoid the
stand-on boat. Being 15 ft away at 25 MPH (and why are you using
MPH????) is being unprepared.

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In article ,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I may get a minority of the blame, but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT
OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT! He gets the majority of the fault.

Suggestion: Don't bet on it.



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In article ,
DSK wrote:
Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:

Doug,
Do you have any idea how narrow many channels are?
Take a look at the majority of the St. Law. Seaway.


Actually, that's VERY wide as channels go. Are you suggesting that you
cannot manage to drive your boat along a course and keep it within 100
yards or so of where it should be?

Are you also suggesting that going SLOW when close to other boat traffic
is not an option?

Don't know about St. Lawrence, but were we sail, the channel can be
less than 30 ft. wide in spots.

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In article .com,
wrote:
I share these anecodtes in an ongoing effort to continue to try to
dispel and counteract the untrue, invalid, unfair, uninformed,
stereoptyped, outdated ideas about personal watercraft and their
operators, the things we do and the way we use our boats these days,
that are apparently being clung to and perpetrated by some posters here
and elsewhere. I don't know if it'll do any good, I don't know if some
of you guys have open-enough minds to admit that maybe you're wrong and
should give the issue an honest reconsideration, but it won't stop me
from trying.

Sure, and we've given assistance to them also. What does this have to
do with noise and pollution?

You really need to get a grip.



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In article . com,
wrote:
Huh? I don't, if you think that's some kind of angle.

richforman


Ding, Ding!!! You win the shortest-post- of-yours-for-this-thread
award!!

Keep up the good work!!



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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

Was up to you to show the regs.

Done did it dude... you just didn't look.



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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.

Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.

Bzzt. A tanker hit the San Raphael bridge earlier this year avoiding a
boat. The boat is and has been held liable. Look at the SFCG site, and you
will probably find the info.

Bzzt. A freighter ran aground somewhere back east avoiding a boat earlier
this year. You will have to google up that one.

Sure thing. I could be wrong. And, now, back to you to answer the many
questions you have chosen to avoid answering.....




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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I assume you own a small, cheap sailboat. And the 40' was the fishing boat
if you go back and try to read for comprehension. And as to majority if
fault. The sailboat gets it. They did not continue in a line while being
overtaken. You better re read the Colregs.

You would assume wrong. I don't currently own a boat. Keep trying to
insult me. It might work, you never know. Typical PWCer.



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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Jon "owned" a small cheap sailboat, but he didn't love sailing enough to even do
what it would have taken to keep that boat, which he got for FREE. He now has NO
boat. He's a talker.

Nope. Cost me $75. Wrong again.

Please tell us why you're so angry. It's really hurtful for you.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. I did not go to the
site.
AS YOU STATED BOTH Colregs and your "Rules of the Road" for legality.
So
you "Rules of the Road" are nada as to concern. It may be a restatement
or
interpretation of the Colregs, but other than that they are meaningless.


Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.




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I see why you are a "Duhhh". First, you refer to both the Colregs and a
separate "rules of the road". Now you try to state there are only one set
of rules of the road. Get your act together.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!




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Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the
biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they
are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
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Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim. You
do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change
lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Thank you for confirming what I thought was obvious. It's too bad that
Bill and many others have the mistaken belief that their power boats
have
the "right of might" over sailing vessels.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield



The boat being overtaken has to continue in the same general direction,
allowing the safe passing. Review the Colregs. Maybe not an exact
straigh
line.

Suggestion: read the colregs again. general direction????



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Read the Colregs. Article 13 section a) i) I think from memory.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.

Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.

Bzzt. A tanker hit the San Raphael bridge earlier this year avoiding a
boat. The boat is and has been held liable. Look at the SFCG site, and
you
will probably find the info.

Bzzt. A freighter ran aground somewhere back east avoiding a boat earlier
this year. You will have to google up that one.

Sure thing. I could be wrong. And, now, back to you to answer the many
questions you have chosen to avoid answering.....




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You are always wrong.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I assume you own a small, cheap sailboat. And the 40' was the fishing
boat
if you go back and try to read for comprehension. And as to majority if
fault. The sailboat gets it. They did not continue in a line while being
overtaken. You better re read the Colregs.

You would assume wrong. I don't currently own a boat. Keep trying to
insult me. It might work, you never know. Typical PWCer.



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Such anger. The judge prohibit you from boat ownership?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Jon "owned" a small cheap sailboat, but he didn't love sailing enough to
even do
what it would have taken to keep that boat, which he got for FREE. He now
has NO
boat. He's a talker.

Nope. Cost me $75. Wrong again.

Please tell us why you're so angry. It's really hurtful for you.

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Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

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Bill,

If there was an accident and you were doing 25 mph within 15 ft. of another
boat, in a narrow channel, even if the other boat changed direction on a
whim, you would most likely be found partially responsibility for the
accident.


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the
biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they
are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
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Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim.
You do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You
change lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Bill McKee wrote:
....

And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

And where do the ColRegs assign any "rights" to a vessel being
paddled? Are you one of those who think kayaks have some special
rights over other boats?

(And yes, I know that a number of states do give this privilege to
human powered vessels in waters not covered by the ColRegs and Inland
Rules.)

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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:34:43 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. ////
Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.

"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



I see why you are a "Duhhh".


Hmmm...I am not thrilled by this thread. Reminds me of the obsessive
compulsive style sometimes attributed to too early or strict toilet
training. I even heard that too much participation in this kind of
thing, leads to the desire to sit the LSAT - then, before you know
what hit you, you are in a two year evening class law school, and you
have a JD after your names, counsellors.

You have been warned.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
....

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?


Happens all the time in narrow channels.

Are you Crazy??? Please tell us which waterway its customary to do 25
mph within 15 feet of another vessel underway. I've seen pwc's do
this, but that could explain why they are reviled by most other boaters.


And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim. You
do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change
lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

Bad analogy, Bill. On the highway everyone has the same purpose, and
traveling in a consistent manner serves the collective purpose.
Boaters have to remember that every other boater has a different
agenda and is seeing the world in a different way. When that sailboat
started preparing to turn you were half a mile away, possibly even on
a different course. Your insistence that he turned 15 feet in front
of you simply proves that that you're the one who was cluelessly
assuming that the world revolves around your desires.

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Bill McKee wrote:


And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?


Bill..wouldn't you be happier getting rid of that boat and buying an
ATV? You could tear around the desert with no rules to follow, no one
to answer or whine to. Think about it.

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Bill McKee wrote:
And if they are all going in the same direction, there is no problem.
It is when an idiot like you decides that the world revolves around
you and can change direction on a whim.

Nobody is changing directions "on a whim." The fact that you don't
understand a thing about sailboats, sailing, or indeed much of anything
apparently, makes it all very mysterious & whimsical to you.


... You do this on the freeway
also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change lanes on a whim? On
your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?


Jeff wrote:
Bad analogy, Bill.

A very bad analogy, and one that further proves my point that Bill & "Dr
Dr" and most of the rest are hopeless. They think driving a boat is like
driving a car. Any point based on seamanship, maritime principles, etc
etc, are all far above their comprehension.

I wonder how long they spent looking for the brake pedal in their boat.


... Your insistence that he turned 15 feet in front of
you simply proves that that you're the one who was cluelessly assuming
that the world revolves around your desires.


And that he was too close & too fast in the first place, but he's
already dismissed that inconvenient fact. Besides, there aren't any
yellow or white lines painted on the water, so who's to know which way
you're supposed to go? That darn sailboat didn't even have his turn
signal on!

DSK

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It goes to the ideas that: there's a lot more to pwc's and pwcer's than
just "noise and pollution"; and pwc'ers are boaters for sure, and that
certainly many of them (none of us knows the real percentage) are
responsible, considerate, fellow boaters of yours and should not be
summarily dismissed or insulted, or held some longstanding grudge
against, or banned from your waterways, as a group based on the size
and shape of our boats or the bad behavior of the worst of our member
(any more than should any other segment of boats or boaters).

I don't need to get a grip, you need to get a clue.

richforman

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Bill McKee wrote:
....


Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail
provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its
specifically mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must
be used for propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for
ballast makes it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat
that otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a
powerboat? Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

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What's so humorless when the jokes are at my expense? You're not a
friend of mine, and I haven't done anything to you, why should I share
a good chuckle at you wanting to blow up my boat?

And come on....if the joke is that you would like to exact harsh
punishment on somebody on a pwc who exceeded a no-wake zone, is the
joke equally funny or would you still apply the same standard to
somebody on a bigger boat? I just wanna know.

richforman

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Yeah bwahaha.

richforman

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Tony wrote:
Hi Terry
I guess from your post that you dont like power boaters :-)

Power boaters are like car drivers who crash into buses when they stop at
bus stops and then complain that the bus should not have stopped!
Sailboats are always unpredictable by their nature so I can never understand
why so many powerboaters have to overtake sooo close even when there is
plenty of searoom

Tony uk


That is at the crux, but it does not apply to all power boaters,
only to the sourest creamy scum at the height of arrogance,
ignorance and hubris.

Most boaters come to realize that railing at loggerheads or swimmers
will never do them any good, and their best defence against
collision with rocks or slow boats in the grips of the wind and
tides is to give them sea room. Those who complain about rocks that
bash in the fronts of their boats are only denying the truth.

These types are the ones who speed through narrow channels and
complain because they really believe that sailors are doing what
they cannot understand to be necessary, but are doing it only to
inconvenience them. Nor do they want to learn why, or how,
unfortunately, because they would improve their own chances if they
did learn and appreciate the powers that the sea and wind exercise
over those dedicated to exploring and enjoying nature's natural
force, akin to skiers versus snowmobilers.

A sailboat is at the whim of the winds, like grass on a golf course.
It is not the fault of the grass that the golf ball be deflected
by the hazards of the course, if the golfer choose his shot, then
execute it poorly, coming too close to the rough.

Better he should continue to golf, and improve his game, but he
never will so long as he blames his tools, or the course.

I love all those who share my love of the water and messing about in
boats. I would help, even if by what seems criticism, those who
would listen: the wind makes sailboats do unexpected things. Smart
boaters know this. Fools complain they were disrespected when it is
they who disrespect nature, physics, and other's needs and rights.
The Colregs recognize reality, and sailors who decide to raise their
sails, even though they would waste no time doing it, are easily
overtaken by myopic rocket drivers who cannot conceive it is their
choice to crowd rocks, swimmers and other hazards like sailors
battling to raise or lower sails even with an assist from an engine
which is totally inadequate to control all aspects of such operations.

Some boaters use any excuse to claim rights, even when their
arguments are specious: flagging a sail gives them no more rights
over power, than they deserve as power drivers themselves, but smart
boater know that dragging a sail through the action of setting it in
a wind strong enough to make sailing profitable impedes their
ability and scope of control over their navigation ability, not to
mention winch knots, flying fish, and lines snarled on necks,
spectacles or tiller handles. Sailors are often a busy lot, easy to
sneak up on, if abusing one as a suicide assistant is what you want.

Understanding and courtesy are boundaries of contractual
civilization. Those unfit to abide or survive deserve to perish,
and though we might complain that nature is cruel, it is man's
stupidity that causes problems to be handled incompetently.

Neither sailors nor power boaters may avoid nature, and all must
grant to others those rights and that respect that they desire for
themselves before there is hope that they may be granted what they
desire for themselves. All must make allowances for slips and yips
and snags, and the fact that a small problem can become a large one
if the spectators press too close, and their fellow golfer loses his
grip.

In short, sailors sail or perish, some power boaters don't care
about anything except speed and power, and damn the rest. These
eventually reap what they sow. Then, they complain and try to hide
the obvious behind a technical argument.

The best solution would be for those not understanding to take a
cruise on a sailboat during a bluster. Their respect might improve,
provided they did not soil themselves. Their perspective might
improve, nonetheless.

Terry K

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
et...


Bill McKee wrote:


Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.


What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Which questions are those? How about you go first. And, which sailboat
with an engine running? I think you're starting to rant.

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In article . com,
wrote:
It goes to the ideas that: there's a lot more to pwc's and pwcer's than
just "noise and pollution"; and pwc'ers are boaters for sure, and that
certainly many of them (none of us knows the real percentage) are
responsible, considerate, fellow boaters of yours and should not be
summarily dismissed or insulted, or held some longstanding grudge
against, or banned from your waterways, as a group based on the size
and shape of our boats or the bad behavior of the worst of our member
(any more than should any other segment of boats or boaters).

Yeah, well, PWCs suck and I don't like them nor do I want them
around. I don't like the general attitude of most of the people who
own them, and you're a prime example.

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Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?




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Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

Ok. I'm done with you. It's pretty clear that you're a jerk. You
claimed that you represent the best and brightest of jet-skiers, and
if that's the case, there's really not much else I can say.

Have a great life, and if by chance you get near me with your piece of
crap jet-ski, you damn well better be doing everything by the book.




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In article ,
Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:34:43 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. ////
Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.

"j" ganz @@
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I see why you are a "Duhhh".


Hmmm...I am not thrilled by this thread. Reminds me of the obsessive
compulsive style sometimes attributed to too early or strict toilet
training. I even heard that too much participation in this kind of
thing, leads to the desire to sit the LSAT - then, before you know
what hit you, you are in a two year evening class law school, and you
have a JD after your names, counsellors.

You have been warned.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Now that's funny!


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