On Mar 29, 3:37*pm, Harryk wrote:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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On Mar 29, 9:50 am, *wrote:
On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote:

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
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26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay.
3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count.
Hint: It's built in SoCal.
Lew
Here's a link to the story with all of the details:
http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html
Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo...
Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB.
*****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.******
Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast.
Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard.
--Vic
Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline.
If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel
was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18
with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in
stability.
It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for
that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit
and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the
mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard.
Mark Borgerson
It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a
decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor
built boats is a perfect set up for an accident.

As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is
considered unimportant, they never will.
::
:: 10 people? *What were they thinking? *Witnesses say the board was up
:: giving her no stability. *Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. *This
:: would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with
:: oversized sails and expecting it work out well.

There is a water ballast tank that should have been filled but probably
wasn't. Those Mac26's won't get up on plane unless the water ballast tank is
emptied and sometimes people forget to fill the darned thing again before
they raise the sails. I've seen a couple of those things at anchor with
empty ballast tank. A stiff wind of about 30 knots blowing on the bare mast
and rigging heels them about 20 degrees. It's sad to call the darned things
a sailboat. They are a more of a motor boat with auxiliary sails.

Wilbur Hubbard

They're as ****-poor a motorboat as they are a sailboat.

I think the Mac26 makes sense for many people and I will argue that it
is safer than most sailboats. If weather, gets bad, it can reach
harbor before others. With its extreme shoal draft, it can get to
safety in places others cannot. So far, all the accidents we have
seen with Mac26s are due to operator error and not due to QC
problems. Even WITH the ballast, only a fool would put 10 people on
that boat.