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26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay.
3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew |
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Lots of confusion about this story so far... But, I find it hard to imagine how a legitimate rental outfit could be in full compliance with the law, renting a boat in San Diego with New Jersey registration numbers, coupled with an expiration sticker from the state of Indiana... If this was indeed a rental, I suspect somebody is gonna be in deep doo... |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. Mac 25 cutout is on centerline. Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. |
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On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote:
In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. |
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On Mar 29, 9:50*am, k-nuttle wrote:
On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith *wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B *wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" *wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. * I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo.... Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. *From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, *the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that *10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. *You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. * I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. *10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. 10 people? What were they thinking? Witnesses say the board was up giving her no stability. Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. This would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with oversized sails and expecting it work out well. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
... On Mar 29, 9:50 am, k-nuttle wrote: On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo... Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. :: :: 10 people? What were they thinking? Witnesses say the board was up :: giving her no stability. Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. This :: would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with :: oversized sails and expecting it work out well. There is a water ballast tank that should have been filled but probably wasn't. Those Mac26's won't get up on plane unless the water ballast tank is emptied and sometimes people forget to fill the darned thing again before they raise the sails. I've seen a couple of those things at anchor with empty ballast tank. A stiff wind of about 30 knots blowing on the bare mast and rigging heels them about 20 degrees. It's sad to call the darned things a sailboat. They are a more of a motor boat with auxiliary sails. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Mark Borgerson" wrote in message
... In article , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson Looks like an older Mac26. Probably a Mac26C which does have water ballast. http://sbo.sailboatowners.com/images/kb/pdf/1340.pdf Wilbur Hubbard |
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