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26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay.
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Lots of confusion about this story so far... But, I find it hard to imagine how a legitimate rental outfit could be in full compliance with the law, renting a boat in San Diego with New Jersey registration numbers, coupled with an expiration sticker from the state of Indiana... If this was indeed a rental, I suspect somebody is gonna be in deep doo... |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. Mac 25 cutout is on centerline. Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. |
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On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote:
In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. |
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On Mar 29, 9:50*am, k-nuttle wrote:
On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith *wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B *wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" *wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. * I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo.... Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. *From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, *the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that *10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. *You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. * I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. *10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. 10 people? What were they thinking? Witnesses say the board was up giving her no stability. Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. This would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with oversized sails and expecting it work out well. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
... On Mar 29, 9:50 am, k-nuttle wrote: On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo... Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. :: :: 10 people? What were they thinking? Witnesses say the board was up :: giving her no stability. Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. This :: would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with :: oversized sails and expecting it work out well. There is a water ballast tank that should have been filled but probably wasn't. Those Mac26's won't get up on plane unless the water ballast tank is emptied and sometimes people forget to fill the darned thing again before they raise the sails. I've seen a couple of those things at anchor with empty ballast tank. A stiff wind of about 30 knots blowing on the bare mast and rigging heels them about 20 degrees. It's sad to call the darned things a sailboat. They are a more of a motor boat with auxiliary sails. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Mark Borgerson" wrote in message
... In article , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...at-expedition/ Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson Looks like an older Mac26. Probably a Mac26C which does have water ballast. http://sbo.sailboatowners.com/images/kb/pdf/1340.pdf Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 29, 9:50 am, wrote: On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo... Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. :: :: 10 people? What were they thinking? Witnesses say the board was up :: giving her no stability. Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. This :: would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with :: oversized sails and expecting it work out well. There is a water ballast tank that should have been filled but probably wasn't. Those Mac26's won't get up on plane unless the water ballast tank is emptied and sometimes people forget to fill the darned thing again before they raise the sails. I've seen a couple of those things at anchor with empty ballast tank. A stiff wind of about 30 knots blowing on the bare mast and rigging heels them about 20 degrees. It's sad to call the darned things a sailboat. They are a more of a motor boat with auxiliary sails. Wilbur Hubbard They're as ****-poor a motorboat as they are a sailboat. |
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On Mar 29, 3:37*pm, Harryk wrote:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote: *wrote in message ... On Mar 29, 9:50 am, *wrote: On 3/29/2011 9:38 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:23 -0500, Vic Smith *wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:21:00 -0400, Wayne.B *wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" *wrote: 26 ft sail boat capsizes in San Diego bay. 3 guesses what boat brand, first two don't count. Hint: It's built in SoCal. Lew Here's a link to the story with all of the details: http://www.10news.com/news/27351403/detail.html Think they got the boat wrong. I think it's a Mac 25. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/28...n-diego-sailbo... Pic of actual boat, with off-center cutout for OB. *****Mac 25 cutout is on centerline.****** Cast iron swing keel, no water ballast. Mac 26 is water ballast, centerboard. --Vic Correction: Mac 26 cutout is on centerline. If it was a Mac 25, a key factor may be whether the swing keel was raised or lowered. From my experience with a WindRose 18 with a swing keel, the position makes a big difference in stability. It also seems to me that 10 people is aobut 4 too many for that size boat. You can't put them all in the cockpit and you can't sail safely with novices forward of the mast. I wonder if they even had 10 life jackets aboard. Mark Borgerson It seems like a repeat of the incident in the east (New York?) about a decade ago. 10 people in the cockpit of a sailboat like the MacGregor built boats is a perfect set up for an accident. As the song goes "When will they ever learn.", but since history is considered unimportant, they never will. :: :: 10 people? *What were they thinking? *Witnesses say the board was up :: giving her no stability. *Blaming MaCgregor for this is stupid. *This :: would be like putting 6 people on a Catalina 22 in 25 kt wind with :: oversized sails and expecting it work out well. There is a water ballast tank that should have been filled but probably wasn't. Those Mac26's won't get up on plane unless the water ballast tank is emptied and sometimes people forget to fill the darned thing again before they raise the sails. I've seen a couple of those things at anchor with empty ballast tank. A stiff wind of about 30 knots blowing on the bare mast and rigging heels them about 20 degrees. It's sad to call the darned things a sailboat. They are a more of a motor boat with auxiliary sails. Wilbur Hubbard They're as ****-poor a motorboat as they are a sailboat. I think the Mac26 makes sense for many people and I will argue that it is safer than most sailboats. If weather, gets bad, it can reach harbor before others. With its extreme shoal draft, it can get to safety in places others cannot. So far, all the accidents we have seen with Mac26s are due to operator error and not due to QC problems. Even WITH the ballast, only a fool would put 10 people on that boat. |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:09:52 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Mar 29, 3:37Â*pm, Harryk wrote: They're as ****-poor a motorboat as they are a sailboat. I think the Mac26 makes sense for many people and I will argue that it is safer than most sailboats. If weather, gets bad, it can reach harbor before others. With its extreme shoal draft, it can get to safety in places others cannot. So far, all the accidents we have seen with Mac26s are due to operator error and not due to QC problems. Even WITH the ballast, only a fool would put 10 people on that boat. Yep. It's safer than most sailboats. Even without the option to power it in if weather does the unexpected, it doesn't sink. Positive floatation. Won't sink like a keel sailboat boat or most motorboats if holed or capsized. I think Neal stuffed empty Maalox jugs all over his Coronado to try make it mimic a Mac26 in this regard. Harry might do that with his powerboat to make it unsinkable. The Mac26 is easily beached, as you said. The fact that it's inexpensive, spartan and doesn't sail as well as a keel boat bothers some people. So they spout off all the time saying it isn't safe. This lends itself to Mac26 owners being more cautious than typical sailboat sailors. So that too makes the Mac26 a safer boat. But they commonly cross the Gulf Stream and ply the Bahamas. Some pay no heed to the naysayers. Lots of bang for the buck with that boat. Trailerable, lightweight, yet plenty of space. Very customizable too. Can make it sail much better than stock. You know more than most here about shallow water sailing, getting stuck on a bar when the tide seems to be disagreeable, etc. So it's a wonder you don't have one of these Mac26's. As I recall you have an S28(?) and a home built Tolman. The Mac26 could get you down to one boat you could nest by the garage when you're not out boating. If I ever get to live in Florida it'll be a Mac26 if I decide to do overnighters or a Carolina Skiff if I decide to just day fish. Talking about the Gulf coast. I'll leave the "bluewater" stuff to others. --Vic |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:19:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: If I ever get to live in Florida it'll be a Mac26 if I decide to do overnighters or a Carolina Skiff if I decide to just day fish. Talking about the Gulf coast. I think the Mac26 is OK if operated within its limits - not overloaded, always with water ballast in place, and always with a good chance of being quickly rescued. The manufacturer needs to do more to raise safety awareness and stop selling the boat to inexperienced people who want to believe it can go anywhere. I would not want to be caught on open water in a thunder squall with a Mac26 but that is also true for a number of other sailboats in that size range. |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:33:33 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:19:25 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: If I ever get to live in Florida it'll be a Mac26 if I decide to do overnighters or a Carolina Skiff if I decide to just day fish. Talking about the Gulf coast. I think the Mac26 is OK if operated within its limits - not overloaded, always with water ballast in place, and always with a good chance of being quickly rescued. The manufacturer needs to do more to raise safety awareness and stop selling the boat to inexperienced people who want to believe it can go anywhere. I would not want to be caught on open water in a thunder squall with a Mac26 but that is also true for a number of other sailboats in that size range. "Good chance of being quickly rescued"? hehe. Gimme a break. From my reading if not under sail or overloaded topside an unballasted Mac26 is as unlikely to capsize as a typical boat, but of course more likely than a keeled sailboat. Many of the owners don't ballast when motoring. Of course they don't load up with 10 people either. All boats have their own dangers. I know if the sea got dicey I'd rather be in a ballasted Mac26 than a 24' Carolina Skiff. But I'm not about to challenge the sea anyway, and intend to boat in fair weather only. Wouldn't worry about being unballasted in a Mac26 just puttering around on a calm day in Charlotte harbor looking for fish. But what I really want is an F-27 (-: Doing any fishing off your dock? Got the fishing bug at all? My sister caught a real nice sheepshead and some redfish on the canal in Punta Gorda a couple weeks ago, and hooked something really big that broke her line. Pic of sheepshead upon request. --Vic |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:05:32 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: I think the Mac26 is OK if operated within its limits - not overloaded, always with water ballast in place, and always with a good chance of being quickly rescued. The manufacturer needs to do more to raise safety awareness and stop selling the boat to inexperienced people who want to believe it can go anywhere. I would not want to be caught on open water in a thunder squall with a Mac26 but that is also true for a number of other sailboats in that size range. "Good chance of being quickly rescued"? hehe. Gimme a break. That was my way of saying "well within sight of land and civilization". From my reading if not under sail or overloaded topside an unballasted Mac26 is as unlikely to capsize as a typical boat, but of course more likely than a keeled sailboat. Capsize is a serious risk on any boat but just as many people are lost due to "knock downs" under sail which throws them into the water. That can happen to any boat but is much easier with light or no ballast. Many of the owners don't ballast when motoring. That's a big mistake in my opinion. I believe some unballasted Mac26s have capsized at anchor. Of course they don't load up with 10 people either. All boats have their own dangers. I know if the sea got dicey I'd rather be in a ballasted Mac26 than a 24' Carolina Skiff. But I'm not about to challenge the sea anyway, and intend to boat in fair weather only. The problem is with sudden changes in conditions. It happens. Wouldn't worry about being unballasted in a Mac26 just puttering around on a calm day in Charlotte harbor looking for fish. But what I really want is an F-27 (-: F-27s are very cool. Doing any fishing off your dock? Got the fishing bug at all? My sister caught a real nice sheepshead and some redfish on the canal in Punta Gorda a couple weeks ago, and hooked something really big that broke her line. Pic of sheepshead upon request. Sure, send away. Something big was under my dock the other day judging from the commotion. Haven't done any fishing since January however, and haven't done any catching since last summer in the Bahamas. People have been catching red fish locally and we'll probably start seeing some Tarpon soon. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
The guy I know who crossed from Fort Lauderdale to MArsh harbor ina Mac26 has it set up more luxurious than my house. He has a LArge screen TV aboard ( I dont even have a small screen tv at home), AC, stereo, stove hot water shower, microwave, memory foam matress, etc, etc. Amazing the stuff he put aboard. Oh, a wind generator and solar too. And he really thinks these will prevent her from capsizing ? B. |
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"Joe" wrote in message
... snip Simply brilliant...Tis that why you stow the bucket in your bildge? LOL! Did you flunk out of the same sixth grade class as Bruce? Try 'bilge.' Real sailors can spell nautical words. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:59:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: Taken his Mac all over the place sailing from the Arctic to S. America, into the interior on the Amazon, etc. Hove to on a sea anchor in heavy seas, the whole nine yards. Not sure of the whole story, but he's posted many of his mods on the MacGregor forum. Madmike ehhh? Wonder how he got that name. :-) |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:43:16 -0400, Harryk
wrote: You think the guy's large screen TV will keep the boat from capsizing? It has always worked for us. |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:18:20 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:43:16 -0400, Harryk wrote: You think the guy's large screen TV will keep the boat from capsizing? It has always worked for us. When the weather threatens, you take it over the side and bolt it onto the centerboard to increase the area. You can run an air wrench from the hose with the breathing air. Casady |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:19:50 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... snip Simply brilliant...Tis that why you stow the bucket in your bildge? LOL! Did you flunk out of the same sixth grade class as Bruce? Try 'bilge.' Real sailors can spell nautical words. Wilbur Hubbard Willie-boy, telling lies is not going to cover up the fact that you didn't know that phoney can be spelled two ways - phony, as the Americans spell it and phoney as the rest of the world says. However, as they say, a rose by any other name will smell as sweet and Willie-boy is just as much a phoney no matter how you spell it. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:29:02 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: You think the guy's large screen TV will keep the boat from capsizing? It has always worked for us. When the weather threatens, you take it over the side and bolt it onto the centerboard to increase the area. Nah. We just fasten it down a little more securely in rough seas. |
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On Apr 1, 11:16*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:29:02 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: You think the guy's large screen TV will keep the boat from capsizing? It has always worked for us. When the weather threatens, you take it over the side and bolt it onto the centerboard to increase the area. Nah. * We just fasten it down a little more securely in rough seas. I think the weight of the extra batteries he had down low countered the weight of the large screen TV. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
Ballast (-: These boats don't capsize if the water ballast is taken care of. They can get knocked down like any sailboat but won't turtle if ballasted. Mast is foam-filled too. I wouldn't think of putting a TV on a boat, but the Max 26 is highly customizable. There's a guy called Madmike Dunn with a 26 X that has all kinds of stuff installed, including A/C, watermaker, 2k generator, wind and solar power, 3 OB motors, dinghy, etc,etc. When trekking kept only potable water in his ballast tank with a pump system I think. He's also changed the running gear, centerboard, rudders, mast, and who knows what else. He's a former "expedition leader" and a veritable legend on the MacGregor forum. Think he's a VP at North Sails now. Taken his Mac all over the place sailing from the Arctic to S. America, into the interior on the Amazon, etc. Hove to on a sea anchor in heavy seas, the whole nine yards. Not sure of the whole story, but he's posted many of his mods on the MacGregor forum. He's said the boat can never be a good sailer, but can be greatly improved. Don't know why he chose the Mac 26, but I guess because the shell and basic design suited his purposes. Good shell and shallow draft is the big deal I think. Haven't been in one myself, but would like to take a look. 1st of april story, I got you there ! B. |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 06:33:17 +0700, Bruce wrote:
The more weight one puts high in the accommodation (TV's, microwave ovens, etc) and on deck (photovoltaics and wind generators) the higher up will be the righting moment. IOW, the more likely it is that the boat will capsize. Wilbur Hubbard However the rate of roll will be less. every cloud has a silver lining. Cheers, Bruce Bruce, I'm curious as to why you spend so much time arguing with the invincibly ignorant willie boy? The guy who doesn't know the difference between righting moment and center of gravity. He does indeed display great ignorance with his every post. That is why I dropped willie and his aliases into my killfile. Doing so made this newsgroup for more pleasant. I wouldn't even know he was here if you and a few others didn't bother answering him. I enjoy reading your lucid and often witty replies, but still wonder why you find him worth your time. I'm just curious. I have no axe to grind. |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 20:44:38 GMT, whatever
wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 06:33:17 +0700, Bruce wrote: The more weight one puts high in the accommodation (TV's, microwave ovens, etc) and on deck (photovoltaics and wind generators) the higher up will be the righting moment. IOW, the more likely it is that the boat will capsize. Wilbur Hubbard However the rate of roll will be less. every cloud has a silver lining. Cheers, Bruce Bruce, I'm curious as to why you spend so much time arguing with the invincibly ignorant willie boy? The guy who doesn't know the difference between righting moment and center of gravity. He does indeed display great ignorance with his every post. That is why I dropped willie and his aliases into my killfile. Doing so made this newsgroup for more pleasant. I wouldn't even know he was here if you and a few others didn't bother answering him. I enjoy reading your lucid and often witty replies, but still wonder why you find him worth your time. I'm just curious. I have no axe to grind. Boredom :-) Cheers, Bruce |
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:24:27 -0400, "MMC" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message Haven't been in one myself, but would like to take a look. --Vic ====== So do it. Find a Mac 26 owner in your area and go for a ride. Sailors are usually happy to introduce new people to sailing. If you find you like the boat (and sailing) then there is no reason not to start NOW. If the boat is too pricey, get something else and at least learn and enjoy the sport until you can get the boat you want. There are a bunch of boats that fit on trailers and you don't have to live in FL to be a sailor, some of the most beautiful sailing is not on salt water. And fresh water is MUCH kinder to all the metal pieces/parts that go on boats. All in due time, or never. Nowhere I want to boat up here. Can't hardly imagine even getting on a boat without fishing being at least a possibility. No good fishing up here, and none I would eat. Don't care to fish for "sport" per se. The "sports" boating killed the fishing up here. I'm not a "sports boater." I'm a fish-eating fisherman. Never liked burning gas. When fishing was good up here I'd row more than motor. Besides, once I fished salt water and tasted some grouper, sand perch, red fish and sheepshead, I never wanted to fish fresh again. Reason I like the "idea" of the Mac is mostly so I could fish overnight, maybe for a week at a time. Fry up some fish right on the boat. Then fish some more. Sleep, fish, cook some more fish, sleep. Maybe do some other things too. Do that for a week, come home for a week, then repeat. The Mac is a light, inexpensive and roomy boat and gets good mileage when powered at 5 knots. Sails are just a bonus for when gas hits 6 bucks. Might be enjoyable sailing on a reach or downwind, but I'll probably mostly leave beating to the others. Had my share of that crossing a rough Lake Michigan once as crew on much bigger and better boat than a Mac. Miserable. But it was also near freezing. so maybe I'm prejudiced. Anyway, you have a good point about getting a ride. I'm going to be down in Florida in a few months for vacation and I'm going to see about that. Might tip the scales with my wife to agree to move down there. She loves to fish and boat. And fries up some mean fish fillets. So thanks for prodding me! --Vic |
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