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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:22 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
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That's not what the magazine article that he read said though!


Stow it! I speak from 35 years of ACTIVE sailing and living aboard
experience.

Willie-boy! Living on an anchored boat (live aboard, they call it,
sort of like maritime trailer trash) does not qualify you as an expert
in anything but ferrying groceries out to the boat and garbage back.

Living aboard AND sailing vs. being stuck at the Bangkok dock for
30-some-odd years. I can sail circles around your forgotten skills, fond
rememberances and rotting hulk of a boat. Face it, Bruce, you are a has-been
while I'm a still-am.

snip to end



Wilbur Hubbard

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"Bob" wrote in message
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I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.- Hide quoted text -

No its called a "Revision."



No, it's more than that. It's a supersede. If they invalidate your Master's
license when it still might have several years before the expiration date
then they are robbing you of your investment and depriving you of your
livelihood. It is clearly fraud and theft of services. While the license you
paid hundreds of dollars and many more hours than that to obtain has an
expiration date of, say 2015, all of a sudden some bureaucrat comes along
and declares it's useless without a TWIC card? That's reneging on a
contract, pure and simple.

Have you ever heard of ex post facto?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:13:57 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.





There will be lawsuits. The government sold you something you paid good
money for and invested good time for that gave you certain rights and
privileges and now they say it's no longer valid.

That is fraud in anybody's book.


I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.



You're so lovable!


Wilbur Hubbard

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:23:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:23:02 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:05:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:30:04 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

Why do they charge $100 for that
card ..TIWC? Seems like it's kind of over the top. What does it get
you?

It gets you a fancy ID card that has all of your biometric data,
including fingerprints, encoded on to an internal chip. All people
involved in public transportation are now required to have one.

Sounds like it gets the government a whole lot more than they need for
people who take a few people sailing. I guess I could see it for a
tanker or a ferry or something. I really wouldn't want all that info
on a chip.

Typical government stuff, one size fits all. We had a joke in the
army that you could have any color shirt you wanted as long as it was
green. That joke obviously predates today's fancy desert camouflage
outfits. The idea with the TWIC card is to ensure that all people
with access to port infrastructure areas, docks, builldings, etc.,
have proper security credentials.

It's entirely possible that our friend in question has some sort of,
uhhh, "issue" in his past that would preclude security authorization.

Or, more likely, he's just as tired of needless paperwork as I am.



Right. You call it the mommy state and I call it Big Brother but it's all
the same. A bunch of control-freak bureaucrats with their make-work paper
pushing lording over and riding on the backs of productive citizens with
their elitist hypocrite attitude. It's just too much at times.

Then you have some liberal like WayneB, who was probably born with a silver
spoon in his mouth, casting aspersions upon the character of his moral and
ethical betters. People who side with the bloated federal government are
worse than despicable. They are leeches, for the most part. Several articles
that came out a year or two ago proved that the richest people give the
least to charity. Democrats, in particular, have an abysmal charity record
compared to Republicans but, if you listen to their lies, you'd think it was
the other way around.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:44:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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Has anybody ever offered you a bribe to look the other way on something?

I've been offered a bribe just once. He was actually a nice guy, and I
said I really couldn't accept it because it would put my job and his
life in jeopardy. The situation was that some moron installed a
furnace so poorly in his house that the burners weren't getting enough
air (it's almost always a ducting issue), which meant they were
sucking air from the house and the gas wasn't being burned
efficiently... a good way to get asphyxiated. In addition to
red-flagging it, I had to turn off the gas to it. So, he was trying to
get me to leave it on. No go on that, but I showed him how to turn the
gas to it back on sort of in a sly way.

I said, "Hey, here's what I have to do. This shuts off the gas. (I
shut it off.) It's just a hand valve that's 90 to the pipe when it's
off. You'll notice that when I turn it on (I turn it on) by putting it
in line with the pipe, the pilot lights automatically after a few
seconds after the thermostat kicks in. I don't recommend you turn it
on. It's dangerous. I strongly recommend you leave a window open
unless you want to wake up dead." I mentioned a couple of reputable
companies, then, I left. :-)

I sure hope he didn't wake up dead. LOL!


I did get asked out a few times, but only accepted one time. He was
nice, but it just didn't work out.

:-( Poor thang! But, I'm sure you get LOTS of chances.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:01:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:22 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
news:g7KdnW4rJ9AjrdvQnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@earthlink .com...


That's not what the magazine article that he read said though!


Stow it! I speak from 35 years of ACTIVE sailing and living aboard
experience.

Willie-boy! Living on an anchored boat (live aboard, they call it,
sort of like maritime trailer trash) does not qualify you as an expert
in anything but ferrying groceries out to the boat and garbage back.

Living aboard AND sailing vs. being stuck at the Bangkok dock for
30-some-odd years. I can sail circles around your forgotten skills, fond
rememberances and rotting hulk of a boat. Face it, Bruce, you are a has-been
while I'm a still-am.

snip to end


Wilbur Hubbard


You keep harping on being stuck at the Bangkok Docks (which don't
exist) when I have never kept a boat in Bangkok simply reinforces your
reputation as a fool.

Your claims of "sailing" seem to be best illustrated by your recent
photographs showing your boat anchored "in the bay", I believe you
wrote.

Just another Sunday Sailor who undertook a hazardous voyage around the
bay and decided to add to the adventure by actually anchoring out for
a night. An intrepid sailor, indeed.

Cheers,

Bruce

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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:06:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...

I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.- Hide quoted text -

No its called a "Revision."



No, it's more than that. It's a supersede. If they invalidate your Master's
license when it still might have several years before the expiration date
then they are robbing you of your investment and depriving you of your
livelihood. It is clearly fraud and theft of services. While the license you
paid hundreds of dollars and many more hours than that to obtain has an
expiration date of, say 2015, all of a sudden some bureaucrat comes along
and declares it's useless without a TWIC card? That's reneging on a
contract, pure and simple.

Have you ever heard of ex post facto?

Wilbur Hubbard


No Willie-boy, your license is not useless for what you use it for -
hanging on the wall and boasting about it. You can still show it to
people and make your claims to fame, just like you always have.

And hundreds of dollars and many hours to obtain? It appears that our
intrepid sailor-boy went to school to learn to be a sailor? What a
farce.

Cheers,

Bruce

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:09:51 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:50:15 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip

I love it! So, what are you going to say to your boss then he tries to
write you up for putting the sticker back on? "You'd better talk to YOUR
boss because he told me it was OK." That'll larn him!

It was perfect. I actually just walked in there before I left (leave
at 3pm), and sort of casually said, hey about that sticker thing... I
was talking to Greg and he seemed ok with it, but I can remove it if
you really think it's a problem. So, he says, oh yeah, Greg said
something to me about the (his Mystery Spot) sticker, but didn't say
to take it off. So I guess just don't worry about it. (I don't think
anyone complained. I think he just had a hair up his butt about
something and I happened to be there.)

He's probably one of those control freaks who thought he could browbeat a
"defenseless" woman. LOL!

He can be I guess. Mostly, he's ok. I think he's having marital
problems. He's showed up a couple of mornings looking like he slept in
his clothes.

At least he's probably not having an affair because he wouldn't be sleeping
in his clothes. LOL!

snip


Older. One lives sort of near here.. San Diego.. stock broker. The
oldest is military... currently in Germany just outside of Frankfurt.

Sounds like successful siblings. Are your parents around there anywhere?

snip

Ha ha! YES! We lose our minds and men better remember it!! :-)

Or, run away!!!


snipped

Exactly. If I don't write it down, they would blame me and I'd get
fired. If I do write it down, they blame me and try to get me fired. I
prefer the latter to the former!

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. snicker


When I work out, I put two 5lbs on the bench press bar, which weighs
45lbs, and I can press it 10 times for 2 sets before I have to stop.
Not bad I think!

Sounds pretty strong to me. Your arms in the bikini picture didn't look
muscle bound or anything. But, it looked like you had some pretty nice
"pecs". LOL!


Ok. That makes sense. You can actually use the wave action of the boat
to get it out of the mud. Then it's just a straight lift.. 35lbs plus
whatever the chain weighs, and I guess you can rest by wrapping it
around something if you had to.


Yes, I have four different bow cleats to which to snub off the line or
chain. I installed two extras with a nice big backing plate on the overhead
of the v-berth for hurricane anchoring usage. I like putting out four
anchors in storm conditions even in a hurricane hole. I've ridden out no
fewer than a dozen tropical storms and hurricanes over the years in various
places.




Wilbur Hubbard

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:45:55 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Well, aren't you sweet! But, you are right; one of these days people are
going to have to WAKE UP and realize that money doesn't grow on trees.
People who don't produce a damned thing are going to have to realize that
they aren't worth a dime as far as payment for not producing a thing goes.
This country is going to hell in a handbasket. Every high school student
should have to read (and understand) Ayn Rand's, "Atlas Shrugged," before
they are given a diploma. You seem so very sensible. If you haven't read
"Atlas Shrugged" please do so as you are very much in the mold of Dagny
Taggart.

I forgot to write you back about Ayn Rand's book. I have not read it
but I heard a bunch about it actually recently by coincidence. I was
having dinner with my aunt and uncle and he was saying that it's about
being an individual who knows her own mind and isn't willing to
compromise her beliefs for other people's benefit. I was sort of
nodding my head, because I tend to go my own way... (you might have
gotten that impression?).

No! Not you. lol One of your finer qualities, if I may say so.


He of course knows that I think this, so I
think it was all for my niece's benefit. (She's the most adorable
person, but is kind of hand fed if you know what I mean.) It seems to
me that people need to stand up for themselves, stop feeding at the
public trough, and stop feeling sorry for themselves.


Yes, they need to lose the liberalism which destroys self-esteem.


I think you'd like 'Atlas Shrugged.' Do you have a Kindle? I bet you could
get it cheap at the Kindle store. I got 'The Fountainhead' for my Kindle.
The best thing about it is the philosophy of the author and how she weaves
it throughout the story and how her characters act to show how pathetic
those who are liberals are and how human and admirable those who are
objectivists are.

While liberals hate the human attributes of the mind and try to destroy
those who love the human attributes of the mind they don't even understand
the depravity of what they do and how they CANNOT exist with men (and women)
of the mind. Liberals despise and attempt to destroy evolved human
attributes of the mind. That's the sad fact and the pathology.


Wilbur Hubbard

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip


Also when camping. Put the clothes in a 5 gal bucket, add water, some
detergent, and stomp for a while. Works fine. It's not like I'd be
bringing chiffon dress or something (well maybe for a shore
excursion).

Or evening daquairis at the raw bar.

And you get nice clean feet that way, too. I hand wash all my bike shorts
and jerseys after each ride in a little plastic bucket with water I get from
a nearby RPZ but I use my hands and fists to smush them around in the
water/detergent. Then I hang them to dry in the van where it gets very hot
during the day. They dry just fine.


Can't you just use one of those solar showers? I think they make 5 gal
sizes, and that's plenty of water, even for a shampoo. Well, I guess
the salt water wouldn't be good for my hair... it would turn it dull
and I wouldn't want that.

Salt water is great for washing your hair. It won't make it dull if you
rinse it afterwards with fresh water to get the salt residue off. That's why
I like short hair on cruising women. Uses less fresh water to keep the hair
clean. No blow driers allowed aboard. They use too much power.

I still have a couple of those solar shower things. Haven't used them in
years. It's easier and more efficient to just heat some water on the stove
and do a wash-cloth bath.


That sounds good, but wouldn't it be better to do the stomp method,
then use that to rinse? It seems like the clothes could use a quick
dip in fresh water to keep them soft.

And to keep the dry. If you leave salt in the clothes they attract moisture
from the air and always feel clammy especially at night.


The very best way, however, when cruising is to just say no to clothes. If
you don't wear them then they don't get soiled. But, you still have to
wash
sheets, towels, etc.

Well, minimal clothes... lol

I would encourage that a little left the the imagination is better And, a
healthy tan is a good thing. LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:50:36 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:09:51 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:50:15 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip

I love it! So, what are you going to say to your boss then he tries to
write you up for putting the sticker back on? "You'd better talk to YOUR
boss because he told me it was OK." That'll larn him!

It was perfect. I actually just walked in there before I left (leave
at 3pm), and sort of casually said, hey about that sticker thing... I
was talking to Greg and he seemed ok with it, but I can remove it if
you really think it's a problem. So, he says, oh yeah, Greg said
something to me about the (his Mystery Spot) sticker, but didn't say
to take it off. So I guess just don't worry about it. (I don't think
anyone complained. I think he just had a hair up his butt about
something and I happened to be there.)

He's probably one of those control freaks who thought he could browbeat a
"defenseless" woman. LOL!

He can be I guess. Mostly, he's ok. I think he's having marital
problems. He's showed up a couple of mornings looking like he slept in
his clothes.

At least he's probably not having an affair because he wouldn't be sleeping
in his clothes. LOL!

Not a chance... believe me. Well, I guess there must be one other
woman out there who likes balding, over-weight...

snip


Older. One lives sort of near here.. San Diego.. stock broker. The
oldest is military... currently in Germany just outside of Frankfurt.

Sounds like successful siblings. Are your parents around there anywhere?

Oh yeah.. they live in the LA basin... very suburban, low-key people.
They've lived in the same house since forever.

snip

Ha ha! YES! We lose our minds and men better remember it!! :-)

Or, run away!!!

Ummm... I ran track.. :-D


snipped

Exactly. If I don't write it down, they would blame me and I'd get
fired. If I do write it down, they blame me and try to get me fired. I
prefer the latter to the former!

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. snicker


When I work out, I put two 5lbs on the bench press bar, which weighs
45lbs, and I can press it 10 times for 2 sets before I have to stop.
Not bad I think!

Sounds pretty strong to me. Your arms in the bikini picture didn't look
muscle bound or anything. But, it looked like you had some pretty nice
"pecs". LOL!

Jeeez... Just remember that was from a while ago. I'm toned but
definitely not muscle bound. I go to the gym a few times a week after
work or early evening.. typically Mon/Wed/Fri, and I ride on Sat
mornings.


Ok. That makes sense. You can actually use the wave action of the boat
to get it out of the mud. Then it's just a straight lift.. 35lbs plus
whatever the chain weighs, and I guess you can rest by wrapping it
around something if you had to.


Yes, I have four different bow cleats to which to snub off the line or
chain. I installed two extras with a nice big backing plate on the overhead
of the v-berth for hurricane anchoring usage. I like putting out four
anchors in storm conditions even in a hurricane hole. I've ridden out no
fewer than a dozen tropical storms and hurricanes over the years in various
places.

You must get a few storms in your area... the Keys I guess?

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:15:04 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
snip


Also when camping. Put the clothes in a 5 gal bucket, add water, some
detergent, and stomp for a while. Works fine. It's not like I'd be
bringing chiffon dress or something (well maybe for a shore
excursion).

Or evening daquairis at the raw bar.

Raw bar? Like oysters?

And you get nice clean feet that way, too. I hand wash all my bike shorts
and jerseys after each ride in a little plastic bucket with water I get from
a nearby RPZ but I use my hands and fists to smush them around in the
water/detergent. Then I hang them to dry in the van where it gets very hot
during the day. They dry just fine.


Can't you just use one of those solar showers? I think they make 5 gal
sizes, and that's plenty of water, even for a shampoo. Well, I guess
the salt water wouldn't be good for my hair... it would turn it dull
and I wouldn't want that.

Salt water is great for washing your hair. It won't make it dull if you
rinse it afterwards with fresh water to get the salt residue off. That's why
I like short hair on cruising women. Uses less fresh water to keep the hair
clean. No blow driers allowed aboard. They use too much power.

Ok.. well, I was concerned about conserving water... you must have to
either carry it to the boat or pull in somewhere, so I can imagine it
would be at a premium. But... regular soap doesn't work really well in
salt water, and I'm not sure I'd use detergent.

With my hair, I definitely use a blow dryer, otherwise it would only
take a week and a half to dry it... lol But with short hair it's not
needed.

I still have a couple of those solar shower things. Haven't used them in
years. It's easier and more efficient to just heat some water on the stove
and do a wash-cloth bath.


That sounds good, but wouldn't it be better to do the stomp method,
then use that to rinse? It seems like the clothes could use a quick
dip in fresh water to keep them soft.

And to keep the dry. If you leave salt in the clothes they attract moisture
from the air and always feel clammy especially at night.

Hmm... ok, didn't know that really.

The very best way, however, when cruising is to just say no to clothes. If
you don't wear them then they don't get soiled. But, you still have to
wash
sheets, towels, etc.

Well, minimal clothes... lol

I would encourage that a little left the the imagination is better And, a
healthy tan is a good thing. LOL!

Yeah, I'm always paranoid about getting burned. I tend to blister and
get splotchy.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:58:42 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:45:55 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Well, aren't you sweet! But, you are right; one of these days people are
going to have to WAKE UP and realize that money doesn't grow on trees.
People who don't produce a damned thing are going to have to realize that
they aren't worth a dime as far as payment for not producing a thing goes.
This country is going to hell in a handbasket. Every high school student
should have to read (and understand) Ayn Rand's, "Atlas Shrugged," before
they are given a diploma. You seem so very sensible. If you haven't read
"Atlas Shrugged" please do so as you are very much in the mold of Dagny
Taggart.

I forgot to write you back about Ayn Rand's book. I have not read it
but I heard a bunch about it actually recently by coincidence. I was
having dinner with my aunt and uncle and he was saying that it's about
being an individual who knows her own mind and isn't willing to
compromise her beliefs for other people's benefit. I was sort of
nodding my head, because I tend to go my own way... (you might have
gotten that impression?).

No! Not you. lol One of your finer qualities, if I may say so.

heh..


He of course knows that I think this, so I
think it was all for my niece's benefit. (She's the most adorable
person, but is kind of hand fed if you know what I mean.) It seems to
me that people need to stand up for themselves, stop feeding at the
public trough, and stop feeling sorry for themselves.


Yes, they need to lose the liberalism which destroys self-esteem.

Sometimes it really makes me sick... I was so glad when the House
moved a bit closer to center and Pelosi got replaced as Speaker. I'm
always torn because I like powerful women, but she was/is so extreme.
You have no idea. SF makes Santa Monica look like a hot bed of
conservatives.

I think you'd like 'Atlas Shrugged.' Do you have a Kindle? I bet you could
get it cheap at the Kindle store. I got 'The Fountainhead' for my Kindle.
The best thing about it is the philosophy of the author and how she weaves
it throughout the story and how her characters act to show how pathetic
those who are liberals are and how human and admirable those who are
objectivists are.

I don't have one. I am supposed to get an iPad for my b-day... my
brother (in Germany) was "arranging" something. I'm going to parents'
next week.

While liberals hate the human attributes of the mind and try to destroy
those who love the human attributes of the mind they don't even understand
the depravity of what they do and how they CANNOT exist with men (and women)
of the mind. Liberals despise and attempt to destroy evolved human
attributes of the mind. That's the sad fact and the pathology.

I just wish they would leave me alone.

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:06:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...

I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.- Hide quoted text -

No its called a "Revision."



No, it's more than that. It's a supersede. If they invalidate your Master's
license when it still might have several years before the expiration date
then they are robbing you of your investment and depriving you of your
livelihood. It is clearly fraud and theft of services. While the license you
paid hundreds of dollars and many more hours than that to obtain has an
expiration date of, say 2015, all of a sudden some bureaucrat comes along
and declares it's useless without a TWIC card? That's reneging on a
contract, pure and simple.

Have you ever heard of ex post facto?

Wilbur Hubbard


They should at least grandfather it. That's what happens with building
codes. You really can't expect people to update their house built in
1965 to 2011 standards.

It's just government run amok IMHO!

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:07:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:13:57 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.





There will be lawsuits. The government sold you something you paid good
money for and invested good time for that gave you certain rights and
privileges and now they say it's no longer valid.

That is fraud in anybody's book.


I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.



You're so lovable!


Wilbur Hubbard


You're really making a habit out that kind of comment!! I can live
with it.

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:56:11 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:19:51 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:55:46 -0800 (PST), Bob
snip

And I support increased requirments completely. It time to keep the
drug users and fat asses off the water.

Somehow I don't get the impression that Capt. Wil is either a drug
user or a fat ass.


Thank you, Jessica, and well-said. As usual, you are more perceptive than
the so-called sailors. Beauty AND brains - so wonderful.


Wilbur Hubbard (wishing I were about forty years younger)


You're welcome! I didn't get the impression that you were doing
anything more than trying to give your honest, experienced opinion.

Sometimes I'm guilty of a little irony with some of the pretend sailors but,
for the most part, I try to be honest about my opinions.

There's nothing wrong with a little irony.. they probably don't get it
though...


Well, I'm not beautiful.. I'm better looking than a sack of potatoes..
that's what my next oldest brother says... it's kind of an inside
joke, since I used to play with sacks of potatoes when I was a kid...
don't ask!

Mr. Potato Head? LOL! You're too young for that one for sure.

NO! It's even more bizarre.. probably TMI, but I actually used to play
with sacks of potatoes.. it was like my favorite thing when we went to
my uncle's place (sort of gentleman farmer with 15 acres).

But, you're wrong, you're quite beautiful. Both in mind and body so don't
underestimate your attributes. I think there are more men than anybody
thinks who would rather have a fit, attractive Tomboy type than some prissy
debutante who faints at the sight of a little dirt and sweat and is too weak
to do any real physical effort or enjoy the outdoors.

Totally blushing with that one.......... don't mind dirt, as long as I
can wash it off at some point.

If you can believe it I wanted to be a princess when I was like 5.
Strange but true.

Cannibal
 

No its called a "Revision."

No, it's more than that. It's a supersede. If they invalidate your Master's
license when it still might have several years before the expiration date
then they are robbing you of your investment and depriving you of your
livelihood.


That is what all the ignorant fat ass coonasses say everytime the CG
revises/updates/superseeds a CFR Licensing requriment. To paraphrase
one of my captains, The botom line is,your either infront of the
change using it to your advantage to advance your career or youre some
cry baby gettign left behind.

Look WIlbur you dont sail your license so what is the big deal. Like
Bruce in Bankcock said, it will still look just fine hanging on the
wall.


It is clearly fraud and theft of services. While the license you
paid hundreds of dollars and many more hours than that to obtain has an
expiration date of, say 2015, all of a sudden some bureaucrat comes along
and declares it's useless without a TWIC card? That's reneging on a
contract, pure and simple.


Then go talk to your republican buddies. THEY are the ones who pushed
TSA down our throats or dont you remember Sen. Kenedy's et al
oposition



Have you ever heard of ex post facto?

Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

Then you have some liberal like WayneB, who was probably born with a silver
spoon in his mouth, casting aspersions upon the character of his moral and
ethical betters. People who side with the bloated federal government are
worse than despicable.

Personally I was born a poor white boy. My moma at age 18 went to work
as a welder in WW2 building Liberty Ships.
My mom got knocked up when she was welding in the Bremerton shipyard
around teh Korean war.. Thats where I came about. I spent my child
hood in orchards cause she had to pick fruit and work in laundries
cause nobody would hire a woman welder. I had to work hard for evey
thing I got cause she OR the goventment couldnt/wouldnt give me ****.

Sooo I learned an an education was my way up and out and as my
education taught me how to be a:
1) Independent life long learner
2) critical consumer of media

I learnde the REpublican party does not want people education past
12th grade. Why?????????


Bob


Democrats, in particular, have an abysmal charity record
compared to Republicans but, if you listen to their lies, you'd think it was
the other way around.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cannibal
 

On Feb 1, 2:34*pm, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:06:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
...

I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.- Hide quoted text -

No its called a "Revision."

No, it's more than that. It's a supersede. If they invalidate your Master's
license when it still might have several years before the expiration date
then they are robbing you of your investment and depriving you of your
livelihood. It is clearly fraud and theft of services. While the license you
paid hundreds of dollars and many more hours than that to obtain has an
expiration date of, say 2015, all of a sudden some bureaucrat comes along
and declares it's useless without a TWIC card? That's reneging on a
contract, pure and simple.

Have you ever heard of ex post facto?

Wilbur Hubbard

No Willie-boy, your license is not useless for what you use it for -
hanging on the wall and boasting about it. You can still show it to
people and make your claims to fame, just like you always have.

And hundreds of dollars and many hours to obtain? It appears that our
intrepid sailor-boy went to school to learn to be a sailor? What a
farce.

Cheers,

Bruce- Hide quoted text -


We need to be kind to WIlbur et al.
He has a very small boat that will not alow him to do anything but
daysailing.
He is probably over 60 years old
He lacks income most likly never made much money inhis career and now
lives on 900/month SSI.
He is ALWAYS on the internet typing. People with a life dont spend
this much time typing unless your 70+ an tird of cross word puzzels.
He is too old, his boat too small and has too little to cruise. Soooo
here he is.

Me Im stuck in hawaii now killing time. Humm I think Ill go snorkeling
2maro
bob

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:25:43 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Feb 1, 2:34*pm, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:06:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
...

I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.- Hide quoted text -

No its called a "Revision."

No, it's more than that. It's a supersede. If they invalidate your Master's
license when it still might have several years before the expiration date
then they are robbing you of your investment and depriving you of your
livelihood. It is clearly fraud and theft of services. While the license you
paid hundreds of dollars and many more hours than that to obtain has an
expiration date of, say 2015, all of a sudden some bureaucrat comes along
and declares it's useless without a TWIC card? That's reneging on a
contract, pure and simple.

Have you ever heard of ex post facto?

Wilbur Hubbard

No Willie-boy, your license is not useless for what you use it for -
hanging on the wall and boasting about it. You can still show it to
people and make your claims to fame, just like you always have.

And hundreds of dollars and many hours to obtain? It appears that our
intrepid sailor-boy went to school to learn to be a sailor? What a
farce.

Cheers,

Bruce- Hide quoted text -


We need to be kind to WIlbur et al.
He has a very small boat that will not alow him to do anything but
daysailing.

Actually that isn't true. People have done it in much smaller boats.
See the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h167pT8u_Cg

I met the guy at Yacht Haven Marina in Phuket and had a couple of long
talks with him. An interesting guy. He sailed from the Med across the
Atlantic and onward west. As I say, I met him in Thailand and
understand that he has now completed his circumnavigation in March of
2010. In a 19 ft. boat.

Willie-boy's boat is nearly 40% larger and still he's finding excuses
not to go.

He is probably over 60 years old

I've got a mate is about 75 years old and he still single hands a 55
ft. boat. His last "sail" as he refers to it was from Thailand to S.W.
India - non-stop both ways. Another mate is only a bit over 60 and
when he is not working (an offshore drilling superintendent) he is
sailing a Prout Cat. At the moment he is somewhere between Singapore
and Langkawi, Malaysia.

He lacks income most likly never made much money inhis career and now
lives on 900/month SSI.

That is no excuse either. Rice and Beans and water aren't that
expensive. He has a boat so all he needs to do is load some tucker and
go. Since he brags about sailing with minimum clothing and not washing
he doesn't even have to buy soap. Just get some beans, rice and a bit
of water for times that he can't catch any, and away. He can probably
do it with one pair of socks and a second hand jockstrap. And maybe a
wrap around skirt, lava lava, sarong, what ever you want to call it,
for formal affairs.

He is ALWAYS on the internet typing. People with a life dont spend
this much time typing unless your 70+ an tird of cross word puzzels.
He is too old, his boat too small and has too little to cruise. Soooo
here he is.

And mostly he is just scared to cut the lines and just go.

Me Im stuck in hawaii now killing time. Humm I think Ill go snorkeling
2maro
bob


Whacha doing in Hawaii?

Cheers,

Bruce

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
trim

Why don't YOU learn how to trim, Bruce?

As I previously posted, you demonstrate your ignorance of the Real
Cruising lifestyle yet again. the Real Cruiser, i.e., one who actually
makes cruises, rather then an aborted "voyage" around the harbour -
assuming that the wind isn't blowing too strong and nor to lightly -
by necessity requires more then your "minimal clothing".

Cruising is cruising. It is not defined by length of passage or time at
anchor. I think you are confusing cruising with voyaging. Probably because
you aren't intimately familiar with either. LOL!

Say a "cruise" from Singapore to Japan and onward through the
Aleutians, Alaska and onward, ultimately to Mexico and then through
the Canal to the Caribbean, north to Canada and so finally to England
and eventually returned to Asia.

Sounds like a voyage to me. . . Voyaging is going from a to b to c to d,
etc. Cruising is more often going from a to b to a, etc.

A Cruise made by a personal friend with his 36 ft. steel hull sloop,
over the past few years.

That's a voyage, PUTZ!

So Willie-boy, all your so called Sailorman experience is somewhat
lacking in both scope, and distance.

Says the ladyboy expert whose idea of "around the world" is some
sordid,transgendered sexcapade. LOL! Everybody knows why you remain in
Thailand, d00d!


And for what periods have you lived the "sailing life"? Was it last
Sunday when you planned the "cruise' around the bay.... and aborted
because the wind wasn't blowing the correct velocity for your
tastes.... I wonder what you'd do if you made a real voyage and hit a
period of little wind when half way from Langkawi to Kochi, say, as
another friend did a year ago?


Finally, you said it right. "A real voyage." Hey, I never claimed to be a
voyager as I've always said that crap is boring beyond belief and an
undesirable way to sail. The challenge of sailing is not isolation thousands
of miles from civilization but, rather, sailing along the fringes of
civililzation taking and leaving it as is one's heartfelt desire. It's not
being controlled and harassed by foreign bureaucrats and their dumb
restrictions, graft and corruption.

Again you exhibit your minimal experience in actually cruising, as
apposed to reading magazines. In the last 15 years I have rarely
anchored in a harbout where there were more then two or three boats
and never... let me repeat that NEVER .... anchored anywhere that I
could even hear a generator.


I don't read the 'tales of inept woe' magazines any more. I've had my fill
of them since they regularly portray sailing as some bumbleing cluster****
as the norm. Take Joe, for example. His tale of ineptitude and woe is
exactly the thing one would see in the sailing magazines. And, NEVER would
there be one word about WHY the ineptitude caused the entire embarrassing
and unnecessary scenario.


Ah Willie-boy, perhaps if you would get out into the world you'd
discover what a sailing life style is all about as apposed to your
overheated imagination.


If I have an overheated imagination lately it's probably because of
JessicaB. That girl is about as perfect as any I've run across in decades.
She has little or no trouble seeing you pretenders for what you are. That
alone makes her highly discriminating and ultimately desirable. If only I
were about 25-30 years younger I'd have to seriously pursue her.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip

At least he's probably not having an affair because he wouldn't be
sleeping
in his clothes. LOL!

Not a chance... believe me. Well, I guess there must be one other
woman out there who likes balding, over-weight...

Ouch. I'm bald. :-( Not overweight, though. :-)

Or, run away!!!

Ummm... I ran track.. :-D


There is no refuge from your PMS then. :-) You can run but you can't hide.

snip

Sounds pretty strong to me. Your arms in the bikini picture didn't look
muscle bound or anything. But, it looked like you had some pretty nice
"pecs". LOL!

Jeeez... Just remember that was from a while ago. I'm toned but
definitely not muscle bound. I go to the gym a few times a week after
work or early evening.. typically Mon/Wed/Fri, and I ride on Sat
mornings.

Do you have a riding partner? If not you should find one who is about the
same level as you are, perhaps a little faster. It's much more fun and you
get in shape faster and better with a training partner. Riding by myself I
get lazy and don't go if the conditions are a little inclement. But, when
I'm expected to show up then it's more motivation.


You must get a few storms in your area... the Keys I guess?


About five years ago we got five tropical storms and hurricanes in a
freaking row one summer and fall. It was a real painal in the anal. But,
since then, we've been lucky because there have been none since. We're due.
Definitely due. Yes, the Florida Keys. A wonderful place for sailing.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:15:04 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
snip


Also when camping. Put the clothes in a 5 gal bucket, add water, some
detergent, and stomp for a while. Works fine. It's not like I'd be
bringing chiffon dress or something (well maybe for a shore
excursion).

Or evening daquairis at the raw bar.

Raw bar? Like oysters?

Right, but, around here, they have all kinds of good un-raw seafood, too. I
don't do raw oysters. Yuck!

snip

Ok.. well, I was concerned about conserving water... you must have to
either carry it to the boat or pull in somewhere, so I can imagine it
would be at a premium. But... regular soap doesn't work really well in
salt water, and I'm not sure I'd use detergent.

Yes, I have to jug it all out in the dinghy. That's why I conserve it as
much as I can.

Many shampoos are just perfumed detergent, I think. I know some body washes
are detergent for sure. I like Old Spice High Endurance body wash and the
ingredients list various forms of sodium sulfate. I thing that's another
word for detergent. I'm sure it is because it also foams up in salt water.
Bar soap won't do anything in salt water. It's like rubbing a bar of wax.
LOL!



With my hair, I definitely use a blow dryer, otherwise it would only
take a week and a half to dry it... lol But with short hair it's not
needed.

Sounds like you have nice, thick hair. It looks sort of auburn. It that the
natural color. It would undoubtedly look very sexy and sassy short.


snippage

Yeah, I'm always paranoid about getting burned. I tend to blister and
get splotchy.


You just need somebody with a nice touch to apply lots of SPF40 where you
can't reach. But, and this is funny, I've noticed women seem to be
double-jointed in their arms. Women seem to be able to twist their arms at
really crooked angles and they can turn their hands right around flat so
they can reach even up between their shoulder blades. Most men can't seem to
reach that spot.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce in Bangkok" opined in message
...
snip


Willie-boy, you really expose your lack of knowledge of the "Cruising"
world every time you post.

PKB! You don't even know what cruising is, apparently. You seem to confuse
voyaging and cruising.

Now sit down and think how you would want your "Real Cruising" boat
equipped. Not the afternoon junket down the bay, or even the weekend
cruising. No, the real cruising life style - you sell the house, kiss
the kids good-bye and sail off.

So far, so good. . .

That is the type of people in my world and once you depart from the
bounds of the afternoon cruise in the bay (and then you discover that
the winds aren't blowing you abandon that). I'm talking about, say a
"cruise" from Perth, Australia to Phuket, Thailand; maybe a nice trip
from Singapore to India (non stop), you know stuff like that? A little
late to abandon "afternoon cruise" when you are in the middle of the
Indian Ocean and the wind stops blowing.

Those are voyages. Get a clue. I realize you are getting senile but try to
pay attention.


I suspect that once you try to pack your dunnage onto a tiny little
boat like yours you might change your tune a little. Imagine -
everything you own on a peanut sized boat, no storage ashore, just you
and your boat.... and little is better?

I have everything I desire aboard except perhaps for a JessicaB and that
would probably require a slightly larger boat of around 32 feet or so to
have space and comfort for two people and their things. But, as a
lone-hander 27 feet is plenty enough. I know because I live the cruising
life in perfect contentment with no desire for a larger boat.

No Willie-boy, you don't know a thing about real cruisers and you
demonstrate your ignorance in your every post. Jesus! Cheating Walmart
out of the price of a bottle of booze? A real cruiser!

What's with the bottle of booze myth! You are mixing me up with somebody
else. There's not even a Wal-Mart around here, for Pete's sake.



Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:23:17 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

As for being pooped, boat length has nothing to do with it. If the
wave travels faster then the boat you get pooped, if the boat is at
wave speed, or faster, then you don't. But then, you don't have to
read a book to discover that little gem... just go sailing.
My dear Bruce. I belive the defintion of getting pooped is when water
is shiped on deck. TO have a wave pass the boat is simply that: a
wave
going by.

Please forgive me if I misunderstood your post.

Bob
I suspect that you are correct and I was guilty of jumping to the
conclusion that Willie was talking about running before the wind as a
storm tactic, in which case being pooped is usually when you aren't
traveling at wave speed and the waves are breaking over the stern.
Cheers,

Bruce



What a simpleton! A ballasted, monohull sailboat will not be able to
outrun the wave train. Fast multi-hulls may but the type of sailboat
under discussion here will have waves approach from astern (when
running which is the hoped-for case in the trades and elsewhere as in
'fair winds') slip under the stern or quarter and move away from the
bow.

If the wavelength happens to be (because of any number of diverse
conditions of wind, sea and depth) just slightly different than LOA, as
the bow is lifted by the wave exiting the bow the stern falls into the
trough just in time to have the top of the wave approaching from the
stern poop it.

Pah! You must have been lying about voyaging - either that or too drunk
or asleep to observe how things work.


Wilbur Hubbard

Talk about simpletons..

I've seem video of a TP53 doing 25 knots - yes, under sail!




OMG! Try reading with comprehension. We are talking here about ballasted,
cruising sailboats which are limited to a concept called "hull speed."
Race boats are not cruising boats in case you've not noticed.


Wilbur Hubbard


You wish!

quote (right above) A ballasted, monohull sailboat


So, shoot me. I left out 'cruising' sailboat because I erroneously had the
idea that my readers weren't so totally clueless as to the context of the
discussion.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Trimmed some repeats

You are really an ignorant oaf, aren't you? Did I ever say that a
monohull could outrun a wave? Nope, as I was replying to someone who
misinterpreted an earlier post I specified as many details as
possible.

Duh, you did so imply just that as if a monohull could outrun the wave train
then it could NEVER be pooped unless it fetched up on a reef or some such.

If the wavelength happens to be (because of any number of diverse
conditions
of wind, sea and depth) just slightly different than LOA, as the bow is
lifted by the wave exiting the bow the stern falls into the trough just in
time to have the top of the wave approaching from the stern poop it.

Yes, I keep hearing that but frankly, have never seen it happen and as
I wrote in another message I'm not sure that it can happen. Mind
giving us a reference (other then your wild claims),

Pretty hard to see it happen when tied to the Thailand dock. The most wave
action you see is a Tsunami from time to time. And, you wouldn't even see
that if you were actually out voyaging in deep water.


Pah! You must have been lying about voyaging - either that or too drunk or
asleep to observe how things work.

Drunk? Am I the guy that went on about his even(ing) libations while
anchored (from the picture with the oars sticking out of the dinghy)
very close to shore.


They don't 'stick out'. The fit withing the length of the dinghy. They just
happen to be in the rowlocks in that photo. When stowed as in and around a
dinghy dock they lay completely within the lenght of the dinghy and they are
locked to it with a small length of SS wire.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip

Yes, I rescued this feral kitten and now he's all grown up. He's still
very
timid around people and hides when strangers visit but he's a good hunter.
He mostly hunts insects as that is about all that can get aboard. There
was
a mangrove snake he cornered one time in the lazarette just forward of the
outboard motor, though. I had to grab it and toss it overboard but it swam
to the dinghy and crawled up along the transom and got in so I rowed it
over
to the shore and put it off so it wouldn't keep coming back.

Is that kind of snake poisonous? Yikes!

No, they aren't poisonous but they do bite and they have sharp teeth. You
have to grab them right behind their head.

My brother had a dog that went after two killer bees that got into the
house. They chased my bro into the bathroom and he said he could hear
them bumping against the door, which attracted the dog. Munch, munch,
no more bees!

I'm surprised they didn't sting the dog's mouth.

snip


Yeah, I agree! The builders around here really took it hard when the
economy went into the toilet. I know a bunch of them through work.
They were scrambling for a while - still are I guess, and those guys
actually made things.

Yes, while the government grows bureaucrat jobs the private sector takes it
in the shorts. All the more reason to read "Atlas Shrugged" to see where
this all leads.

I don't much like our new gov. Brown... too lame-brain liberal, but
he's talking some decent stuff about cutting some of these nonsense
programs. I would have preferred Meg... tough as nails, but she got
sandbagged by the volume of disinformation about the nanny. We'll see
with Brown.


Hate to say it but Brown's a liberal moron. And those who voted for him are
liberal moron drones. Ryan was the far superior choice, IMO. Instead the
land of fruits and nuts re-elects a has-been liberal failure. Well, that's
the very definition of idiocy. Doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results.

snipped to end

Not painful I hope! :-)

Ouch! It hurts NOW, just thinking about it. You're BAD!



Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:17:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip


If you have a boat that is fifty feet LOA and she is in a wave train that
is
45 feet crest to crest just imagine what happens when running. Yes, the
bow
goes up the wave in front and the stern drops just in time for the crest
of
the following wave to poop the hell out of the transom. A 25-foot boat is
totally unaffected.

Good thinking.... and true, however...

Now, you're finally talking sense. It's suprising how lucid you can be when
sober. LOL!

A wave that was only 45 feet from crest to crest is a pretty small
wave. In fact, I can't even find a calculation that can be used to
calculate the dimensions of a wave this small. The closest I can find
by interpretation from the charts I have is:

A wave with a velocity of 10 M/S (36 MPH) in 10 M (~32 ft.) of water
would have a wave period of less then 4 seconds and a length of 200 M.

In other words your example is a highly unlikely (perhaps impossible)
situation.

I guess you never sailed in really shallow water as in under six feet depth?
You've apparently no concept of a 'short chop'? Or I suppose you never
sailed in a strong current that shortens and heaps up the wave train? Like
in the Gulf Stream? You're book-learning seems to lack what my practical
experience teaches.


snippage


You are perfectly correct that you claim to have sailed thousands of
miles. In more challenging conditions then I, and you again claim that
conditions were more challenging, and all of it coastal, i.e., never
out of sight of land. But that is your claim.

I've actually done it.

You can't remember things that may or may not have happened 35-some-odd
years ago.


snippage

What absolutely ignorance.

Says the Rube who lives ashore now and at the docks for thirty years. Yah,
right!


A Home, is it? Well, I've lived on a sailboat for most of 20 years
now.

Most of us real cruisers don't live "on" a sailboat. We live "in" or
"aboard" our sailboats. You even talk like a lubber. What's wrong with you?


A time machine? Well, I'll admit I am getting older.

Aren't we all?


An "interface dancer"? what in the world is that?

You have the air, you have the water. That which lies in between is called
the interface. Duh! A saiboat works the interface. A sailboat wouldn't work
in the air alone or in the water alone. It dances along the interface
between the air and water. Those of who know how to really handle our boats
well can be said to be like smooth and accomplished dancers though we
"dance" with our sailing machines.


A compilation of systems? What are you going on about?

If you don't know they you PROVE you are no sailor.


Sailing a boat is hardly as difficult or challenging as flying an
airplane and I could do that, albeit with an adult in the plane, when
I was 12 years old.


I disagree. Doing sailing RIGHT is more of a challenge than flying an
airplane. I've done both so I know of which I speak.


I sailed a 28 (FOD) Miscongus Bay Sloop (you may call it a "Friendship
Sloop, but that is wrong), with no engine, for several years up and
down the Maine coast with a one burner kerosene stove, a compass and a
Mobile Oil road map. No electrics except for a flashlight; no radio.
Canvas sails, manila ropes and a lead line.

Sadly, you apparently haven't progress much beyond that basic level after
all these long years. LOL!

I built my first boat when I was 12 years old (with my father's help.
It was only a small row boat, but it was a boat.

I have always made my own repairs, wood, fiberglass hulls, Wood and
aluminum spars, I can (under duress) splice wire rope from 1 X 19
through 7 X 7, and could do that since I was 19. I was a code welder
and can weld most metals including aluminum and titanium.

It's good to have some skills but those skills have little or nothing to do
with sailing.



So don't go blathering on about the romance of boating. The essence of
a boat is "another way to get there".

So hopelessly naive and clueless you are, Bruce. You refuse to see any
romance in sailing. It's quite sad as your ridgid frame of mind has you
missing the best part of sailing.

If you don't believe read Bill Tilman, CBE, DSO, MC and Bar, was
rather famous mountaineer and sailor who when asked why he took up
sailing replied, "There were a lot of mountains I wanted to climb that
were only accessible by boat... So I learned to sail one in order to
get to the mountains".

What silly rhetoric. The guy's a mountain climber who used a boat as
transportation only. He had love only for mountain climbing. He never
professed to be a sailor. You do, yet you have the same concept of a
sailboat as only a way to get from one place to another. What kind of a fool
says such a thing? What kind of a moron uses the slowest method of transport
of all if his goal is only to arrive at a destination. May I suggest you
travel by air next time.

Your attitude that a sailboat is just
transportion tells me you weren't ever able to appreciate what a sailboat
really is by virtue of the fact of your self-centeredness and ungodliness
where you place yourself in the center of the universe. This arrogance is
why you failed - you failed to appreciated the beauty of the machine and
the
lifestyle. You viewed it as just another way to move your sorry fat
carcass
around. This is so sad.

Failed? I'd say that I succeed. After all, I got to exactly where I
was going.

In spite of the fact that where you were going was only defined after the
fact tha the voyage ground to a halt halfway short of its original goal.
That is a failure in anybody but a liberal's mind.


snip


Perhaps you are to be pitied because you are too staid to ever appreciate
the beauty, romance, utility and connectedness of sailing. But, now all
our
readers understand why you failed - one cannot master something one does
not
understand.

You have a rather overheated imagination. Try talking to anyone who
has actually sailed somewhere and see whether your ethereal and
romantic outlook finds a soul mate.

You defeat your every point. If people thought sailing and boats were only a
tool that can be abided grudglingly as a means to a destination then they
are total morons to keep using such a poor tool for the job. What kind of an
imbecile claims the destination is all yet takes the slowest and most
arduous method of transport towards the goal. C'mon. You can't actually
believe what you're trying to claim.


The usual "sea story"of a real sailor after a trip is more like, "The
damned autopilot broke down about a week out and we had to hand steer
all the way". Or, perhaps, "We didn't have a breath of wind and had to
motor for two weeks". Another I heard was, "a damned storm hit us
about 200 miles north of Chagos and we layed a-hull for three days
before we could get going".


Now, who is reading magazine articles. Like I stated in a post elsewhere
those magazines are sold to wannabes and these wannabes want to read about
clueless dolts as incompent as they, themselves, are so they won't feel like
they can't cut the mustard. The entire sailing magazine industry is nothing
but a compendium of ineptitude.


I have never heard a real sailor rabbit on about romance,
connectedness or any of the other platitudes heard from the romantic
dreamers who's maritime experience is measured by how many books
they've read.


Perhaps you just aren't exposed to real sailors there at the squalid Bangkok
dock?


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:58:42 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
trimmed a lot of stuff

Yes, they need to lose the liberalism which destroys self-esteem.

Sometimes it really makes me sick... I was so glad when the House
moved a bit closer to center and Pelosi got replaced as Speaker. I'm
always torn because I like powerful women, but she was/is so extreme.
You have no idea. SF makes Santa Monica look like a hot bed of
conservatives.

Pelosi is a waste of space. The only thing she's good for is the bo-tox
industry.

I think you'd like 'Atlas Shrugged.' Do you have a Kindle? I bet you could
get it cheap at the Kindle store. I got 'The Fountainhead' for my Kindle.
The best thing about it is the philosophy of the author and how she weaves
it throughout the story and how her characters act to show how pathetic
those who are liberals are and how human and admirable those who are
objectivists are.

I don't have one. I am supposed to get an iPad for my b-day... my
brother (in Germany) was "arranging" something. I'm going to parents'
next week.

Check into the Kindle at Amazon.com - that is if you are a reader. They are
wonderful. They even come with free 3G connectivity so you can shop the
Kindle store on their dime and order and download kindle books. I'm always
amazed at how convenient it is. Most of the Kindle books even have speech to
text so you can have it read the book to you if want.

IPads are nice but they use a lot of electricity and aren't the best
platform for reading ebooks. The kindle lasts for weeks because of it's
white screen technology. Also, it's easier to read in full daylight.

I hope you have a nice visit with your parents. If I don't see any of your
posts here I shall know why.



While liberals hate the human attributes of the mind and try to destroy
those who love the human attributes of the mind they don't even understand
the depravity of what they do and how they CANNOT exist with men (and
women)
of the mind. Liberals despise and attempt to destroy evolved human
attributes of the mind. That's the sad fact and the pathology.

I just wish they would leave me alone.


LOL! You're just too desirable. You're always going to be pursued in one way
or the other.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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That's probably the reason it sounded so, ummm... foolish.

Bruce = foolish.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
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And, as usual you are toe dancing all around the subject.. You are the
one who stated, in your intrepid way that oars should fit inside the
boat... When I objected saying that wasn't the main criteria in
selecting oars you argued. Now you are saying that you don't need 12
foot oars to row a 8 ft. boat.... Probably not but the main criteria,
that the oars need to, as I said, reach the water, still hasn't
changed.

In other words, one selects ones oars to fit one's physical shape,
fitness and the size, mainly the width, of the boat. If they should
fit inside the boat then lucky you but it is rather unworldly to say
it is logical to saw off a perfectly good set of oars just to fit them
inside the boat.


Let it go. You LOST when I posted the expert on the subject, that
world-renowned cruising sailor Eric Hiscock.

If the oars won't fit into the length of the dinghy they are too long for
the job. It just doesn't get any simpler than that.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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I've seen boats that have these elbow-shaped tubes on the back that
have like a cradle/pulley system for dinghies. I guess you have to tie
them off so they don't bang around, but at least you aren't towing
them.



They're called davits. And, they are not really called for on a smaller
sailboat. They are quite heavy and bulky for one (not to mention ugly) and
they cause the stern to squat which isn't a good thing.

The stainless steel tubing I constructed and installed is lightweight and
strong. It has the added advantage of being quick-pinned to the fastener
points so it can be raised up along the backstay if one so desires. My
little, 50-pound, fiberglass dinghy is easy enough to lift up and lay,
upside-down atop the carrier with gunwale right up against the backstay
where it can be safely lashed down.

The extra sixty pounds or so near the transom has little noticable effect on
the trim of the hull. These fools who advocate putting the dinghy
upside-down on deck don't understand how in-the-way the thing always is.
They just saw photos in magazines or heard tell of stowing the dinghy on
deck and it becomes a case of monkey-see, monkey-do. It's the same thing
with the rows of plastic fuel jugs along the twoXsix along the lifelines.
Monkey-see, monkey-do. Nothing uglifies a cruising boat as ugly blue or red
plastic jerry cans jury-rigged to the lifelines. Makes me want to puke every
time I see it.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip


I don't think Capt. Wil said that was the only criteria for an oar.



Bingo! But good luck trying to get THAT to sink through his thick skull.

At this stage he's in the defensive mode because he knows he lost when I
quoted Hiscock and you quoted Wikipedia.

We make such an unbeatable team. . .


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:50:25 -0500, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
trimmed


Oh.. whew.. I thought you thought I was thinking he was the reasonable
one.

I did at first . . .

I get all confused any time I run into an intelligent woman who actually
makes sense. It happens so rarely these days. LOL!

Wilbur Hubbard


Hey so wait... are you Wil or are you Greg? Totally confused unless
you have a spoofer? The header info is different. I hate spoofers.




Sorry, Jessica, I forgot to switch accounts. I have an octanews account for
Wilbur and an Altopia account for Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.. Sir Gregory is the
troll-killer. He has the heavy artillery for beating up the sociopaths on
some of the Usenet's worst groups such as alt.usenet.kooks. Sir Gregory can
get away with more harsh and abusive language because Altopia is for free
speech. Octanews better suits Wilbur who is a kinder gentler iteration of
Sir Gregory which are both theater of the mind iterations of Captain Neal -
my real original identity. I used to have an Eternal September account when
they were Motzarella but the BananaBoi booted me (Wesley Mouch of Atlas
Shrugged infamy) for not agreeing with his politics.



Confused? LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:34:30 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:50:25 -0500, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
trimmed


Oh.. whew.. I thought you thought I was thinking he was the reasonable
one.

I did at first . . .

I get all confused any time I run into an intelligent woman who actually
makes sense. It happens so rarely these days. LOL!

Wilbur Hubbard


Hey so wait... are you Wil or are you Greg? Totally confused unless
you have a spoofer? The header info is different. I hate spoofers.


Don't think a thing about it. Willie-boy is actually a figure of
someone's imagination. He is/or has been known as:

Wilbur Hubbard
Gregory Hall
Gwen Ives
Cecil Warren
Capt.Neal
Simple Simon
Ellen MacArthur
Ed Gordon873
Gloria/Wesley Mouch
Aratzio
Atlas Bugged
Jamie Baille
Lumpy
Karen Anderson
GitRDunn
Phat_Arse
Jeff Relf
Blondie
Capt. Moroon
Capt. America
Cap'n Crunch
Marcia
Lawrence Stone
Key WestWym
Capt. Key West
Lonnie Anderson
Margaret
Jax Ashby,

and likely more, at various times.


A literary genius, for sure . . . A regular Phil Hendrie wannabe. LOL!

Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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They should at least grandfather it. That's what happens with building
codes. You really can't expect people to update their house built in
1965 to 2011 standards.

It's just government run amok IMHO!



Right on, beautiful!

Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:07:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:13:57 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.





There will be lawsuits. The government sold you something you paid good
money for and invested good time for that gave you certain rights and
privileges and now they say it's no longer valid.

That is fraud in anybody's book.


I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.



You're so lovable!


Wilbur Hubbard


You're really making a habit out that kind of comment!! I can live
with it.


LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
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trimmed some repeat



You keep harping on being stuck at the Bangkok Docks (which don't
exist) when I have never kept a boat in Bangkok simply reinforces your
reputation as a fool.

Your claims of "sailing" seem to be best illustrated by your recent
photographs showing your boat anchored "in the bay", I believe you
wrote.

Just another Sunday Sailor who undertook a hazardous voyage around the
bay and decided to add to the adventure by actually anchoring out for
a night. An intrepid sailor, indeed.


Jealousy is so unbecoming of you, Bruce. LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:56:11 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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Sometimes I'm guilty of a little irony with some of the pretend sailors
but,
for the most part, I try to be honest about my opinions.

There's nothing wrong with a little irony.. they probably don't get it
though...

Didn't take you too long to figure them out. :-)))))))

snip

NO! It's even more bizarre.. probably TMI, but I actually used to play
with sacks of potatoes.. it was like my favorite thing when we went to
my uncle's place (sort of gentleman farmer with 15 acres).

Doesn't sound so crazy to me. Funny thing, I grew up on a 15 acre farm and
we grew potatoes, among other things. But, I never got the urge to use them
as toys. What did you do with the sacks of potatoes? Make little forts and
houses out of them?


Totally blushing with that one.......... don't mind dirt, as long as I
can wash it off at some point.

See, that's special - for a girl.


If you can believe it I wanted to be a princess when I was like 5.
Strange but true.

I wanted to be an astronaut. LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

In article , Jessica B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:14:27 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

The very best way, however, when cruising is to just say no to clothes. If
you don't wear them then they don't get soiled. But, you still have to wash
sheets, towels, etc.

Well, minimal clothes... lol

It might be OK for the tropics...

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.