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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:35:32 +0000, Justin C
wrote: In article , Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:01:32 +0000, Justin C wrote: This thread is no longer relevant to this newsgroup, it is a personal conversation. Would you both please take this to email so that we can get back to what is of interest to the group as a whole, and not just two members of its members. Oh come on. Perhaps you should just ignore it or is that too difficult? I don't think it's a federal requirement that you read every post. Or perhaps you could just accept that the polite thing to do is take your conversation to email. It seems OK to you and Wilbur that you discuss the etiquette of seamanship, and criticise those whom you believe to lack it yet the etiquette of usenet seems to pass you both by. Your, and his, ignorance of such things is showing, may we start criticising now? Justin. Well, how do I figure out where the sailing stuff starts and the "conversation" starts? Seems to me they are integral to each other. I don't think I've criticized anyone's seamanship. Have I? If so, it was unintentional. |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:44:40 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:35:32 +0000, Justin C wrote: In , Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:01:32 +0000, Justin C wrote: This thread is no longer relevant to this newsgroup, it is a personal conversation. Would you both please take this to email so that we can get back to what is of interest to the group as a whole, and not just two members of its members. Oh come on. Perhaps you should just ignore it or is that too difficult? I don't think it's a federal requirement that you read every post. Or perhaps you could just accept that the polite thing to do is take your conversation to email. It seems OK to you and Wilbur that you discuss the etiquette of seamanship, and criticise those whom you believe to lack it yet the etiquette of usenet seems to pass you both by. Your, and his, ignorance of such things is showing, may we start criticising now? Justin. If he took it to email with no one watching him converse back and forth with himself it would defeat the whole purpose, wouldn't it? You do know what the purpose is, don't you? You know he's trying to get the goat and make jealous those who scorn him here by convincing you that some babe loves all the things everyone here hates, don't you? I'm pretty sure he'll be happy if just one or two believe it and the rest have some doubt. And you know the inevitable conclusion to his tale don't you? When he drunkenly forgets to change profiles and mistakenly puts the wrong name with the wrong profile as he has done here so many times and then claims the person is visiting him...that's when you'll get your "happy ending" to this tale, as they say. Can't you see it coming a mile away? Stephen Actually, you might just be doing me a BIG favor. It could be that the lovely, talented and highly-desirable Jessica B might just get fed up with all you naysayers and decide to drop in for a visit and a sail. That way I could get photos of her and I together and make you skeptics so green with envy and so embarrassed by your non-believer attitudes. I'm considering it... :-) Did you get my email btw? For some reason yours (to my second account) got deleted. I'm convinced that perhaps the only thing that would make my fine yacht photos better-looking is JessicaB posing on deck in her bikini! (Or me in the picture giving her a hug just so you wouldn't be able to claim it's a Photoshop job or some such other lame response.) I would love to pose for it... I'm sure it would kill at least three people here though. She hasn't posted lately, though. I sure hope you Rubes haven't driven her off . . . You all should learn to appreciate the finer things in life of which Jessica B is definitely a prime example. Those guys? Nah... They probably want me to announce when I'll post to make sure they don't miss something. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:05:56 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip The mean librarian look? Heh... I don't usually wear my hair up... just tied in the back or in a pony if my niece gets ambitious. Yes, that stern, professionally-dressed librarian wearing big eyeglasses with the promise of wild passion hidden beneath is every man's fantasy. LOL! Ever do French braids - that's hot! Hmmm... I think this says something Freudian, but I don't know what. lol Never had that kind of braid... I tend to keep my hair flowing unless I have to work on something then I put it up. snip Right.. like once or twice while we're sitting there is flattering. five times gets old. (I mean not me so much but my friend) No smoking out here. Honestly, I don't care if someone wants to cough up blood when they're 62, but I don't want to. I don't blame you. That's one reason I hate motor boaters so much. How dare they pollute the very air I breath when here I am living way out of the way and one of the reasons for doing so is I can breathe clean air. All that engine smell... blech.. That's ONE thing California did right - cracked down on the air pollution - especially indoor by banning smoking almost everywhere. I'm glad they didn't manage to legalize pot. That would be just another source of air pollution. You would not believe how many cannabis clubs there are in the greater LA area. Speaking of air pollution, I rode up to Miami yesterday with a friend who was picking up his bike from the shop where he was getting a new fork installed (the old one cracked and needed to be replaced) and the air was noticably smelly. This was right before the cold front passed and the air was relatively still and humid. We Americans have a term for the smelly Miami air - Cuban monoxide. LOL! I bet you have a lots and lots of Cubans... I'll raise you two Mexicans. :) |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:08:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:29:38 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:57:44 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote: Yup... it was a strange major/minor combo... Politics/Psychology.. for what it was worth. But, I got hired by the Los Angeles code dept, then when something opened up in Santa Monica, I switched. I'm actually thinking of going back to the LA dept. I know a bunch of people there and I'd get a raise. Now aint that interesting......... I happen to have a cousin that worked for CalTrans for years. Later moved and went to work for the City of Santa Monica for the last 10+/- years. I think Ill email my cousin and see just how many Jessy Bs are working for the "code department." Bob. Probably none, but maybe a Willard :-) Oh ye of little faith!!! Wilbur Hubbard They sound like stalkers. Whatever. They probably wouldn't know what to do with or how to treat a real, live, beautiful woman. LOL! This sounds corny but a man's got to appreciate a woman's mind first and foremost and the more intelligent the woman, the more necessary this becomes. In my case (and Jimbo's) you don't get anything else unless you get the mind first. Stace is a less strict. You never know who's going to be leaving in the morning (we were roommates in college). |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:16:23 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip I bet you hated politics since you're no liberal. How could you stand all those freaking liberal professors trying to indoctrinate you? Psychology has always interested me. I like to try to figure out what makes people tick. Politics was fun because they encouraged debate. As long as you defended your arguments, your grades didn't suffer. We had a couple of "conservative" profs, but you're right they were mostly liberal. I guess that was a 10-12 years ago and maybe colleges weren't quite so liberal back then. Now, from what I've heard, they are at least 90% very liberal professors, so much so that they will give a conservative student who presents a conservative viewpoint a low grade. It's become all about indoctrination over education. As for a raise, heck, your blog says you make a bunch of money. I hope you are putting all you can into a 401 or deferred compensation for retirement. At your age you can almost be a millionaire when you retire if you can get modest interest and keep contributing the max. Ah, you visited.. cool. I don't make tons... do ok. I'm saving money, definitely. I have a trust set up for my niece, since I don't plan on having kids. Didn't your myspace say 'kids - maybe later?' or some such? Well, you're quite young still and there's time to change your mind at least a few times. Yes, but the emphasis is on the maybe. It's really not a priority for me. Isn't Santa Monica a healthier place to live than LA? What with all the air pollution in the basin and all? Some things such as a relative clean environment are way more important than a little more dough. It is, but I wouldn't have to move. They have several locations. Gotcha! -- just returned from laying on another coat of paint. Now to let it dry a bit and pull the masking tape before it gets really stuck on hard. Do you use the famous blue tape? :-) A girl who knows about blue tape. How sexy is THAT! Construction guys I think carry it in the underpants. It's everywhere. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:18:11 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip Dangit! Well, you can't blame a guy for dreaming, can you? :-) Dream on! lol Hey, I can have it just the way I like it in my dreams. ;-) Be NICE! :-) |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:19:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:40:45 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... snip Hey, I'm a light-weight! One beer every two hours (max two) is about all I can take! Well, I suppose you don't weigh very much at 5'5" and in great shape so your blood/alcohol level probably rises way faster than mine at 170 pounds. Your metabolism is probably running faster than mine, as well. I generally start getting a bit buzzed after about four beers. No and I'm not saying either. With four beers I would be in a coma. I bet I could still talk to you then. After all, I manage to talk here to Bruce, Skippy, WaIIy, Joe etc. LOL! Ouch.. Well, those guys deserve it. They don't even think you are real. Duh! I'm definitely unreal! |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:30:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:47:38 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:10:02 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message om... snip Yeah, it's a pseudo gang thing... no idea what it means. Probably get shot by some Mexican gang, since the translation is something rude about someone's mother. LOL That figures! Three bikini partners in crime. We look out for ourselves... :-) Wow... 7! I just have 2 siblings. My mom couldn't have more after me for health reasons. For little hellion reasons. LOL! She wanted more kids, but had some physical problems.. I always wanted a little sister. Then YOU wouldn't have been the *spoiled* one. I only had one sister and she was so spoiled. But, I guess she had to be to survive six mean brothers. LOL! My parents tried to spoil me, but my brother (closest in age) wasn't having any. He stole everything extra until I was about 10, then I got fed up and hit him in the side with his baseball bat... bruised a rib. Little hellion was an apt term for a young you, it seems. I hope you've grown out of it at least a little bit. Yeah a little bit.. :-) Jessica, you're just so delicious! You seem to instinctively know that men really enjoy living a little dangerously when it comes to their women. What an expert flirt you are. ;-) Carry on . . . Please! Hehh... actually, I don't generally flirt.. at least not on my own. Maybe in a group, but then I don't have to worry about it going too far. Also, my eye lashes aren't long enough. |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:32:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip Brea? That's not far from here... We're expecting the big one any day. I don't know if things will fall down or not. I suppose. Oh well... Carpe Diem I guess. Don't know about tsunamis... There must be some warning I suppose for that. I think it's pretty close to Disneyland, too. Yep... I've been there a bunch, but not lately. I wouldn't go for me, certainly. I'd love to visit the Canal. It's supposed to be one of the wonders of the world. I wouldn't mind seeing it on a big ship but it's got to be way too intimidating on a small sailboat. It would be easy to get crushed or flushed down the toilet, so to speak . . . Whoosh... no that wouldn't be good! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:33:50 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip After seeing that latest picture you linked to, I'd be remiss if I DIDN'T say you are beautiful and your friends are quite so, as well. California has a reputation for having lovely girls and I guess it's well-deserved. But, I sure hope you don't speak like a 'Valley Girl" LOL! We only speak VG when we're joking around. I'm NOT from the valley. I'm from the beach community. Grew up in Palos Verdes. That VG-speak is extremely funny. Do they still do it for real or was it a passing fad? I have never really heard it in actually talk. I think there are some people out there who do that, but it's so contrived that it doesn't seem real. |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:38:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:20:26 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote: Then you have some liberal like WayneB, who was probably born with a silver spoon in his mouth, casting aspersions upon the character of his moral and ethical betters. People who side with the bloated federal government are worse than despicable. Personally I was born a poor white boy. My moma at age 18 went to work as a welder in WW2 building Liberty Ships. My mom got knocked up when she was welding in the Bremerton shipyard around teh Korean war.. Thats where I came about. I spent my child hood in orchards cause she had to pick fruit and work in laundries cause nobody would hire a woman welder. I had to work hard for evey thing I got cause she OR the goventment couldnt/wouldnt give me ****. Sooo I learned an an education was my way up and out and as my education taught me how to be a: 1) Independent life long learner 2) critical consumer of media I learnde the REpublican party does not want people education past 12th grade. Why????????? I just did a quick google search and the average years of education in the US is 12. In fact, we lead the world in that number. So, I don't know why you're putting down the US and blaming the Republican party. Bob's probably one of those leftist, commie pinko, entitlement addicts. Typical of the type. Live off the fat of the land and gripe about those who produce it. We as a country certainly can be better but I can't think of a place I'd rather live. I don't get some of the extreme criticism that happens from those on the left. Seems to me they have a pretty good deal. So, on to more pleasant (and ON-TOPIC JUSTIN... sheesh) subjects... You're in the Keys, so do you typically sail on the west or east side of Florida? Also, I think there's a national park near the Keys... not the Everglades... a place that you have to get to by boat? It's supposed to have an old fort. Also, did you get my email? I think I asked you that somewhere previously. |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:55:29 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. snip I think it's getting worse. Honestly, some people should not go to the beach! It can get really really bad on the beaches around here. It's the Canadian snowbird problem. Not only are most of them obese but they are totally white and pasty-skinned while the women are fond of thong bikinis and the men Speedos. Sometimes it's difficult not to wretch at the sight of them. Ok, well, I can get pasty. :} But probably not *as pasty* as those Canadians who live where it's so cold that their skin never sees any sun for months at a time. At least you go to the beach from time to time so you might have some evidence of tan lines?? I might have to take a flight in the next couple of months, so thanks for reminding me! You're welcome. ;-) Perhaps you'll think of me when you're all crammed in there . . . Next to obese people? Nah... I'll be thinking of someone in better shape than that! Ouch! That means you think I'm in bad shape? Who's your favorite male celebrity - better shape-wise? snip Two (anchors) of(f) the front? I guess you could put them away from each other somehow. Otherwise they'd get all tangled. How deep do you anchor typically? I guess in the Keys it must be pretty shallow... like 10 to 20 feet? If less than that don't you worry about waves picking up the boat and letting it land on the bottom.. or is that impossible? You've sure got a good head on your shoulders, girl. Yes, two anchors off the bow as in "Bahamian Style" which is anchors placed about 60 degrees apart as described by the angle of the anchor rodes. In a tidal current they are places slightly up current and slight down current so when the tide and current changes the boat still lies between both with relatively equal pulls. In a wind only situation one places the anchors more like 90-120 degrees apart and this holds the bow directly into the wind and it doesn't sheer around. So, that's what they do in the Bahamas? I've never been, but it's pretty close to you? How do you get the second anchor in the right place? You can't put them in at the same time, so you must have to get the boat to the second spot. It must be tough to judge where it is in relation to the first one, since it's on the bottom. It takes a little practice but it's not overly difficult. Many places in the Bahamas develop some pretty strong tidal currents and it changes directions twice a day so, yes, if you want to stay put you really need two anchors set out across the current and well dug in. The Bahamas are pretty close by - probably about the same distance offshore as Santa Catalina Island out there but there are hundreds of little and larger islands out there. One can sail for months and not come close to visiting them all. Most are not even inhabited. It's a wonderful cruising ground. Placing the anchors can be made into a comedy of errors using the 'committee' approach and/or using the motor and yacht tender (dinghy) or it can be done correctly and simply like I do it when single-handing. So called sailors like Bruce, for example, probably never set two anchors, Bahamian-style, under sail but I can and do set them that way all the time and it is a no fuss - no muss operation when done in a seamanlike fashion. Here is how a real sailor does it. 1) Sail into the anchorage and proceed upwind close hauled on a port tack to the place a fifty feet or so to the right of where you wish the boat to end up. I like about ten feet of depth in clear water so the bottom can be easily seen. 2) Pinch into the wind and coast to a halt with sails luffing. 3) Go forward, release the jib halyard at the mast cleat and quickly roll and stow the sail along the starboard lifelines out of the way. Release and drop the anchor that is ready on the starboard bow roller and quickly pay out about 100 feet of anchor rode (easy to know provided the rode is marked) as the boat slowly gathers sternway. Make the line fast to a cleat. 4) Proceed back to the cockpit, unsheet the mainsail from its close-hauled position and put the tiller over to port which will cause the bow to fall off to port due to the sternway. 5) Sheet the mainsail to a reaching position on a starboard tack and the boat will soon stop its sternway and commence moving forward away from the dropped anchor which will appear by the direction of the rode to be off the starboard beam. This all should be accomplished prior to the anchor rode snubbing up on the dropped anchor or the bow will come into the wind again and the mainsail will be ineffective. 50-60 feet of 'spare' rode length would be about right. 6) As the boat gathers headway, sheet in the mainsail so the sail attacks the shifting wind at the proper angle of attack until it becomes close hauled again (but on a port tack this time as the bow slowly rounds up. 7) As the 100 or so feet of the anchor rode off to starboard starts to tighten up it will be dragged over to about a 60-90 degree angle from the anchor (180 degrees being directly downwind). When the boats gets as far upwind as she will go and the starboard anchor pulls the bow directly into the wind then go forward and drop the anchor that is ready on the port bow roller. 8) Once the anchor strikes bottom, pay out some line and jerk the rode a few times to set the anchor in the bottom as the boat falls back between the two anchors and then pay out about fifty feet of rode and make it fast on a cleat. Then uncleat the starboard anchor rode and slowly retrieve about fifty feet of rode and make it fast to a cleat. The boat will then be lying between the two anchors with the angle described by the anchors of about 90-120 degrees. If one or more of the anchors don't hold the angle will decrease. If they hold the angle will remain constant. 9) On your way back to the cockpit stop at the mast and release the main halyard and let the mainsail fall and strap it to the boom. 10) Look around and note some readily apparent ranges (objects you can line up one behind the other) ashore so you can reference them later to make sure you're not dragging. 11) Go below, grab a cold beer, sit in the cockpit and enjoy but check the ranges over several minutes. If the ranges don't change then you can assume the anchors are both holding. If you really want to feel secure, grab the mast, snorkle and fins and dive the anchors and make sure they are well dug in so you can sleep soundly that night. This scenerio is for non-current, wind only situations. It must be modified somewhat or quite a bit depending on the direction and strength of tidal currents, if any. I generally prefer to anchor in relatively shallow water - around six feet at mean low water. Yes, the Keys have very shallow water in many places. As for waves picking up the boat and slamming it on the bottom that's not likely to happen in wind-generated wave action, at least. See, it's the depth of the water that determines the height of the wave and the depth of the wave trough in shallow water. In six-foot deep water the largest wind-generated wave possible would be about three feet. So, that would still give a three-foot cushion for a 3-foot draught boot in one fathom of depth - one fathom being six feet. Ok... I get it I think, and if it's really, really bad weather, you could put the boat somewhere where it's more protected... Right. They call them 'hurricane holes'. They are generally smaller places with high sides and good holding. Tech away! I get jargon thrown at me all the time from contractors... I was riding with a gf of mine and she tells me she hears a noise from under the car, so I said I know what that is.. Really??? Well, yeah, it's the band clatter of either the drive shaft or the transmission... now if it's the drive shaft then it's not too serious, but if it's the transmission, well you might be able to get someone to adjust it but it probably needs to get replaced. She was amazed and then angry when I told her I made it all up. See how devilish you are, Jessica? You made it all up. That's funny! Can you say, "instigator?" LOL! As for teching away, I probably teched away plenty enough above. LOL! It wouldn't surprise me if even the likes of Bruce, Waldo, WaIIy, Wayne, JustinC, etc. are scratching their addled pates and scrambling for the sailing reference guides. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip I was enjoying his rant right up until he called me Jessie... don't like that AT ALL! I typed 'Jennifer' the other day by mistake instead of 'Jessica' but you didn't seem to notice it. LOL! Jennifer is a girl I know who is a dolphin trainer here in the Keys at Theater of the Sea. She used to ride bikes with us training for triathlons but she came down with Crones disease or something like that and can't do triathlons anymore because of her digestion problems. She can't even run anymore or doesn't want to . . . snip Genetically superior? Hmm.... well, except for my skin tone, I could live with that! Nothing wrong with light skin but I was thinking more along the lines of genetic superiority that results in a superior mind and wholesome mentality. Face it! It's not like Jessica's here for any kind of physical gratification. Any woman who looks as fine as she does most certainly has plenty of real-life opportunities for that type of thing, wouldn't you say? This newsgroup is strictly an abode of the imagination. It is a place where one can express one's self honestly and appreciate others with like qualities. True... well, I've learned a few things about sailing, so if I ever go again, I'll be able to say something and not look totally stupid. Just ask away with the sailing questions if you have some and I will be happy to provide my opinions or expertise on them. It might even make some of the people who yell, 'take it to e-mail' less hostile. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip Actually, you might just be doing me a BIG favor. It could be that the lovely, talented and highly-desirable Jessica B might just get fed up with all you naysayers and decide to drop in for a visit and a sail. That way I could get photos of her and I together and make you skeptics so green with envy and so embarrassed by your non-believer attitudes. I'm considering it... :-) WOW! I mean WOW! Did you get my email btw? For some reason yours (to my second account) got deleted. I got one from you yesterday which I answered - the gmail account. But, you were at work and might not have seen the reply then. It's best to not do personal e-mails at work because they can reprimand you as none of them are private unless you get them on your own personal iPod or Blackberry or some such. I got an iPod about a month ago and I can get my gmail on it at wi-fi hot spots. I didn't get the iPhone because I've already got a phone and it's very inexpensive - like fifty bucks a year. I'm convinced that perhaps the only thing that would make my fine yacht photos better-looking is JessicaB posing on deck in her bikini! (Or me in the picture giving her a hug just so you wouldn't be able to claim it's a Photoshop job or some such other lame response.) I would love to pose for it... I'm sure it would kill at least three people here though. And, I would love to have you but you said you had to give six-months notice for vacation time. They would be so envious! But, they would just refuse to acknowlege it here and probably claim I Photoshopped you in. It wouldn't be the first time they claimed something like that. Here is a video of "Cut the Mustard" sailing in the Gulf Stream. Some of these Rubes tried to say it was faked, too. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306# She hasn't posted lately, though. I sure hope you Rubes haven't driven her off . . . You all should learn to appreciate the finer things in life of which Jessica B is definitely a prime example. Those guys? Nah... They probably want me to announce when I'll post to make sure they don't miss something. Some of them DO seem to really get anxious when you don't post for a couple days. . . Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:05:56 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. snip The mean librarian look? Heh... I don't usually wear my hair up... just tied in the back or in a pony if my niece gets ambitious. Yes, that stern, professionally-dressed librarian wearing big eyeglasses with the promise of wild passion hidden beneath is every man's fantasy. LOL! Ever do French braids - that's hot! Hmmm... I think this says something Freudian, but I don't know what. lol Yes, it could have something to do with control issues. It is often said that men like to take a vacation from their usual role of being in control of things in their everyday life, jobs, etc. Never had that kind of braid... I tend to keep my hair flowing unless I have to work on something then I put it up. I guess French braids are a good way to put it up but I think they take time to do right and maybe somebody has to do them for you to get them nice and even. snip Right.. like once or twice while we're sitting there is flattering. five times gets old. (I mean not me so much but my friend) No smoking out here. Honestly, I don't care if someone wants to cough up blood when they're 62, but I don't want to. I don't blame you. That's one reason I hate motor boaters so much. How dare they pollute the very air I breath when here I am living way out of the way and one of the reasons for doing so is I can breathe clean air. All that engine smell... blech.. That's ONE thing California did right - cracked down on the air pollution - especially indoor by banning smoking almost everywhere. I'm glad they didn't manage to legalize pot. That would be just another source of air pollution. You would not believe how many cannabis clubs there are in the greater LA area. I'm surprised. I thought it was only legal there for medical purposes. Maybe lots of 'sick' people. LOL! I tried pot in my college days but it dawned on me that if cigarettes give you cancer then smoking pot probably does, too. So I stopped doing it. If they could put it in a drink like Root Beer aka Canabis Beer (non alcoholic) then I might be tempted to do it again. Speaking of air pollution, I rode up to Miami yesterday with a friend who was picking up his bike from the shop where he was getting a new fork installed (the old one cracked and needed to be replaced) and the air was noticably smelly. This was right before the cold front passed and the air was relatively still and humid. We Americans have a term for the smelly Miami air - Cuban monoxide. LOL! I bet you have a lots and lots of Cubans... I'll raise you two Mexicans. :) Yikes! I guess we all have illegal alien problems these days. Freaking federal government can't seem to do what they're supposed to do - enforce the borders - but they can sure meddle in everything else. Thank God federal judge Vinson here in the Florida circuit has struck down Obama Care. He has ruled the entire Act unconstitutional. 26 states were plaintiffs. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:08:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip They probably wouldn't know what to do with or how to treat a real, live, beautiful woman. LOL! This sounds corny but a man's got to appreciate a woman's mind first and foremost and the more intelligent the woman, the more necessary this becomes. In my case (and Jimbo's) you don't get anything else unless you get the mind first. Stace is a less strict. You never know who's going to be leaving in the morning (we were roommates in college). Can't fault any of that. |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:18:11 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. snip Dangit! Well, you can't blame a guy for dreaming, can you? :-) Dream on! lol Hey, I can have it just the way I like it in my dreams. ;-) Be NICE! :-) I can be VERY nice. ;-) |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:30:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Jessica, you're just so delicious! You seem to instinctively know that men really enjoy living a little dangerously when it comes to their women. What an expert flirt you are. ;-) Carry on . . . Please! Hehh... actually, I don't generally flirt.. at least not on my own. Maybe in a group, but then I don't have to worry about it going too far. Also, my eye lashes aren't long enough. Well then, stick some fake eyelashes on and bat the heck out of them. :-) Flirting is a strange thing. When two people interact, it all depends on how the interaction appears to one or the other. Flirting can be very unintentional on one person's behalf but the other might feel very flirted with. I guess what I'm saying is flirting is sometimes more in the eye of the beholder. |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip We as a country certainly can be better but I can't think of a place I'd rather live. I don't get some of the extreme criticism that happens from those on the left. Seems to me they have a pretty good deal. Exactly! It's like all the people complaining about how poor they are. But, look at them! They have so much to eat that they are obese, they have a car or two, air conditioning, dishwasher, color TVs with cable, computers with Internet, hot and cold running water, etc. etc. They need to shut their yaps and enjoy all the luxuries they can't seem to even notice because they are complaining all the time. So, on to more pleasant (and ON-TOPIC JUSTIN... sheesh) subjects... You're in the Keys, so do you typically sail on the west or east side of Florida? Also, I think there's a national park near the Keys... not the Everglades... a place that you have to get to by boat? It's supposed to have an old fort. It's more convenient for me to sail on the Florida Bay side of the Keys as getting to the oceanside involves going out a creek that is about two miles long and going under a bridge that opens on a schedule. Or, sailing to the Channel Five bridge which is high enough to get under. They have made all the water around the Keys into a National Marine sanctuary. The national park is either the Everglades National Park (up and around the mainland) or the Fort Jefferson National Monument. Fort Jefferson is in the Marqueses about fifty or sixty miles west of Key West. No roads and bridges to it though the water is mostly not very deep. I think one might be able to take a seaplane ride out to it but it's mainly accessible by boat only. Also, did you get my email? I think I asked you that somewhere previously. Affirmative! Thanks. |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:23:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip I was enjoying his rant right up until he called me Jessie... don't like that AT ALL! I typed 'Jennifer' the other day by mistake instead of 'Jessica' but you didn't seem to notice it. LOL! Jennifer is a girl I know who is a dolphin trainer here in the Keys at Theater of the Sea. She used to ride bikes with us training for triathlons but she came down with Crones disease or something like that and can't do triathlons anymore because of her digestion problems. She can't even run anymore or doesn't want to . . . Really? I must have missed it, but Jennifer is a nice name... a dolphin trainer? Wow... gets to work with dolphins all day... sounds like a great life. snip Genetically superior? Hmm.... well, except for my skin tone, I could live with that! Nothing wrong with light skin but I was thinking more along the lines of genetic superiority that results in a superior mind and wholesome mentality. Ok. I can accept that burden! Face it! It's not like Jessica's here for any kind of physical gratification. Any woman who looks as fine as she does most certainly has plenty of real-life opportunities for that type of thing, wouldn't you say? This newsgroup is strictly an abode of the imagination. It is a place where one can express one's self honestly and appreciate others with like qualities. True... well, I've learned a few things about sailing, so if I ever go again, I'll be able to say something and not look totally stupid. Just ask away with the sailing questions if you have some and I will be happy to provide my opinions or expertise on them. It might even make some of the people who yell, 'take it to e-mail' less hostile. Wilbur Hubbard Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:55:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:05:56 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... snip The mean librarian look? Heh... I don't usually wear my hair up... just tied in the back or in a pony if my niece gets ambitious. Yes, that stern, professionally-dressed librarian wearing big eyeglasses with the promise of wild passion hidden beneath is every man's fantasy. LOL! Ever do French braids - that's hot! Hmmm... I think this says something Freudian, but I don't know what. lol Yes, it could have something to do with control issues. It is often said that men like to take a vacation from their usual role of being in control of things in their everyday life, jobs, etc. I will have to keep this in mind! Never had that kind of braid... I tend to keep my hair flowing unless I have to work on something then I put it up. I guess French braids are a good way to put it up but I think they take time to do right and maybe somebody has to do them for you to get them nice and even. Since you seem able to "do things right" you might be good at it. :-D snip Right.. like once or twice while we're sitting there is flattering. five times gets old. (I mean not me so much but my friend) No smoking out here. Honestly, I don't care if someone wants to cough up blood when they're 62, but I don't want to. I don't blame you. That's one reason I hate motor boaters so much. How dare they pollute the very air I breath when here I am living way out of the way and one of the reasons for doing so is I can breathe clean air. All that engine smell... blech.. That's ONE thing California did right - cracked down on the air pollution - especially indoor by banning smoking almost everywhere. I'm glad they didn't manage to legalize pot. That would be just another source of air pollution. You would not believe how many cannabis clubs there are in the greater LA area. I'm surprised. I thought it was only legal there for medical purposes. Maybe lots of 'sick' people. LOL! Yeah, a lot of mental cases.. I tried pot in my college days but it dawned on me that if cigarettes give you cancer then smoking pot probably does, too. So I stopped doing it. If they could put it in a drink like Root Beer aka Canabis Beer (non alcoholic) then I might be tempted to do it again. I'm not interested in putting smoke in my lungs. Just seems dumb. Speaking of air pollution, I rode up to Miami yesterday with a friend who was picking up his bike from the shop where he was getting a new fork installed (the old one cracked and needed to be replaced) and the air was noticably smelly. This was right before the cold front passed and the air was relatively still and humid. We Americans have a term for the smelly Miami air - Cuban monoxide. LOL! I bet you have a lots and lots of Cubans... I'll raise you two Mexicans. :) Yikes! I guess we all have illegal alien problems these days. Freaking federal government can't seem to do what they're supposed to do - enforce the borders - but they can sure meddle in everything else. Thank God federal judge Vinson here in the Florida circuit has struck down Obama Care. He has ruled the entire Act unconstitutional. 26 states were plaintiffs. I don't understand why we can't build a decent border security system.. all they seem to do is waste money trying. |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:57:42 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:08:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip They probably wouldn't know what to do with or how to treat a real, live, beautiful woman. LOL! This sounds corny but a man's got to appreciate a woman's mind first and foremost and the more intelligent the woman, the more necessary this becomes. In my case (and Jimbo's) you don't get anything else unless you get the mind first. Stace is a less strict. You never know who's going to be leaving in the morning (we were roommates in college). Can't fault any of that. Well,, she's not a slut or anything... I don't mean to bad-mouth her. She's a wonderful person... just sometimes she makes questionable choices. I guess we all do. |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:06:46 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:30:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Jessica, you're just so delicious! You seem to instinctively know that men really enjoy living a little dangerously when it comes to their women. What an expert flirt you are. ;-) Carry on . . . Please! Hehh... actually, I don't generally flirt.. at least not on my own. Maybe in a group, but then I don't have to worry about it going too far. Also, my eye lashes aren't long enough. Well then, stick some fake eyelashes on and bat the heck out of them. :-) Flirting is a strange thing. When two people interact, it all depends on how the interaction appears to one or the other. Flirting can be very unintentional on one person's behalf but the other might feel very flirted with. I guess what I'm saying is flirting is sometimes more in the eye of the beholder. I just want to know who the fricken woman was who was on your boat!!! lol |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:20:23 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip We as a country certainly can be better but I can't think of a place I'd rather live. I don't get some of the extreme criticism that happens from those on the left. Seems to me they have a pretty good deal. Exactly! It's like all the people complaining about how poor they are. But, look at them! They have so much to eat that they are obese, they have a car or two, air conditioning, dishwasher, color TVs with cable, computers with Internet, hot and cold running water, etc. etc. They need to shut their yaps and enjoy all the luxuries they can't seem to even notice because they are complaining all the time. Also, I know there are poor people, but there is also lots of opportunity. I don't mind helping people in the short term, but when it becomes an institution, then I have to draw the line. I guess (to make this sailing related Justin) it would be like offering someone help who got stuck on a sand bar. Well, ok, but don't expect me to help you for the next five years. At some point you need to figure out how to get off the sand bar yourself (or stay off). So, on to more pleasant (and ON-TOPIC JUSTIN... sheesh) subjects... You're in the Keys, so do you typically sail on the west or east side of Florida? Also, I think there's a national park near the Keys... not the Everglades... a place that you have to get to by boat? It's supposed to have an old fort. It's more convenient for me to sail on the Florida Bay side of the Keys as getting to the oceanside involves going out a creek that is about two miles long and going under a bridge that opens on a schedule. Or, sailing to the Channel Five bridge which is high enough to get under. They have made all the water around the Keys into a National Marine sanctuary. The national park is either the Everglades National Park (up and around the mainland) or the Fort Jefferson National Monument. Fort Jefferson is in the Marqueses about fifty or sixty miles west of Key West. No roads and bridges to it though the water is mostly not very deep. I think one might be able to take a seaplane ride out to it but it's mainly accessible by boat only. I have no idea where the Florida Bay is... is that on the west side? I'm guessing, but it seems like there's ocean all around. Oh... Fort Jefferson... I looked it up and it looks like it's the same as the Dry Tortugas, which is what I was thinking of... http://www.nps.gov/drto/index.htm That looks beautiful! Can your boat go there? Also, did you get my email? I think I asked you that somewhere previously. Affirmative! Thanks. |
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Jessica B wrote:
Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
How to anchor under sail Bahamian style (was: Cannibal)
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip Jessica, this is a repeat in case you didn't see the one from 'Gregory Hall'. Ok, well, I can get pasty. :} But probably not *as pasty* as those Canadians who live where it's so cold that their skin never sees any sun for months at a time. At least you go to the beach from time to time so you might have some evidence of tan lines?? I might have to take a flight in the next couple of months, so thanks for reminding me! You're welcome. ;-) Perhaps you'll think of me when you're all crammed in there . . . Next to obese people? Nah... I'll be thinking of someone in better shape than that! Ouch! That means you think I'm in bad shape? Who's your favorite male celebrity - better shape-wise? snip Two (anchors) of(f) the front? I guess you could put them away from each other somehow. Otherwise they'd get all tangled. How deep do you anchor typically? I guess in the Keys it must be pretty shallow... like 10 to 20 feet? If less than that don't you worry about waves picking up the boat and letting it land on the bottom.. or is that impossible? You've sure got a good head on your shoulders, girl. Yes, two anchors off the bow as in "Bahamian Style" which is anchors placed about 60 degrees apart as described by the angle of the anchor rodes. In a tidal current they are places slightly up current and slight down current so when the tide and current changes the boat still lies between both with relatively equal pulls. In a wind only situation one places the anchors more like 90-120 degrees apart and this holds the bow directly into the wind and it doesn't sheer around. So, that's what they do in the Bahamas? I've never been, but it's pretty close to you? How do you get the second anchor in the right place? You can't put them in at the same time, so you must have to get the boat to the second spot. It must be tough to judge where it is in relation to the first one, since it's on the bottom. It takes a little practice but it's not overly difficult. Many places in the Bahamas develop some pretty strong tidal currents and it changes directions twice a day so, yes, if you want to stay put you really need two anchors set out across the current and well dug in. The Bahamas are pretty close by - probably about the same distance offshore as Santa Catalina Island out there but there are hundreds of little and larger islands out there. One can sail for months and not come close to visiting them all. Most are not even inhabited. It's a wonderful cruising ground. Placing the anchors can be made into a comedy of errors using the 'committee' approach and/or using the motor and yacht tender (dinghy) or it can be done correctly and simply like I do it when single-handing. So called sailors like Bruce, for example, probably never set two anchors, Bahamian-style, under sail but I can and do set them that way all the time and it is a no fuss - no muss operation when done in a seamanlike fashion. Here is how a real sailor does it. 1) Sail into the anchorage and proceed upwind close hauled on a port tack to the place a fifty feet or so to the right of where you wish the boat to end up. I like about ten feet of depth in clear water so the bottom can be easily seen. 2) Pinch into the wind and coast to a halt with sails luffing. 3) Go forward, release the jib halyard at the mast cleat and quickly roll and stow the sail along the starboard lifelines out of the way. Release and drop the anchor that is ready on the starboard bow roller and quickly pay out about 100 feet of anchor rode (easy to know provided the rode is marked) as the boat slowly gathers sternway. Make the line fast to a cleat. 4) Proceed back to the cockpit, unsheet the mainsail from its close-hauled position and put the tiller over to port which will cause the bow to fall off to port due to the sternway. 5) Sheet the mainsail to a reaching position on a starboard tack and the boat will soon stop its sternway and commence moving forward away from the dropped anchor which will appear by the direction of the rode to be off the starboard beam. This all should be accomplished prior to the anchor rode snubbing up on the dropped anchor or the bow will come into the wind again and the mainsail will be ineffective. 50-60 feet of 'spare' rode length would be about right. 6) As the boat gathers headway, sheet in the mainsail so the sail attacks the shifting wind at the proper angle of attack until it becomes close hauled again (but on a port tack this time as the bow slowly rounds up. 7) As the 100 or so feet of the anchor rode off to starboard starts to tighten up it will be dragged over to about a 60-90 degree angle from the anchor (180 degrees being directly downwind). When the boats gets as far upwind as she will go and the starboard anchor pulls the bow directly into the wind then go forward and drop the anchor that is ready on the port bow roller. 8) Once the anchor strikes bottom, pay out some line and jerk the rode a few times to set the anchor in the bottom as the boat falls back between the two anchors and then pay out about fifty feet of rode and make it fast on a cleat. Then uncleat the starboard anchor rode and slowly retrieve about fifty feet of rode and make it fast to a cleat. The boat will then be lying between the two anchors with the angle described by the anchors of about 90-120 degrees. If one or more of the anchors don't hold the angle will decrease. If they hold the angle will remain constant. 9) On your way back to the cockpit stop at the mast and release the main halyard and let the mainsail fall and strap it to the boom. 10) Look around and note some readily apparent ranges (objects you can line up one behind the other) ashore so you can reference them later to make sure you're not dragging. 11) Go below, grab a cold beer, sit in the cockpit and enjoy but check the ranges over several minutes. If the ranges don't change then you can assume the anchors are both holding. If you really want to feel secure, grab the mask, snorkel and fins and dive the anchors and make sure they are well dug in so you can sleep soundly that night. This scenario is for non-current, wind only situations. It must be modified somewhat or quite a bit depending on the direction and strength of tidal currents, if any. I generally prefer to anchor in relatively shallow water - around six feet at mean low water. Yes, the Keys have very shallow water in many places. As for waves picking up the boat and slamming it on the bottom that's not likely to happen in wind-generated wave action, at least. See, it's the depth of the water that determines the height of the wave and the depth of the wave trough in shallow water. In six-foot deep water the largest wind-generated wave possible would be about three feet. So, that would still give a three-foot cushion for a 3-foot draught boot in one fathom of depth - one fathom being six feet. Ok... I get it I think, and if it's really, really bad weather, you could put the boat somewhere where it's more protected... Right. They call them 'hurricane holes'. They are generally smaller places with high sides and good holding. Tech away! I get jargon thrown at me all the time from contractors... I was riding with a gf of mine and she tells me she hears a noise from under the car, so I said I know what that is.. Really??? Well, yeah, it's the band clatter of either the drive shaft or the transmission... now if it's the drive shaft then it's not too serious, but if it's the transmission, well you might be able to get someone to adjust it but it probably needs to get replaced. She was amazed and then angry when I told her I made it all up. See how devilish you are, Jessica? You made it all up. That's funny! Can you say, "instigator?" LOL! As for teching away, I probably teched away plenty enough above. LOL! It wouldn't surprise me if even the likes of Bruce, Waldo, WaIIy, Wayne, JustinC, etc. are scratching their addled pates and scrambling for the sailing reference guides. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... trimmed a lot Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... At least he's not dumb enough to still think you're my sock puppet. Yes, you don't necessarily know what's on the bottom when you go someplace but you can refer to the charts of the area and they will tell you what's on the bottom so you have a good idea beforehand what's the most suitable anchor type to use for a given anchorage. A real cruising sailor will ship multiple anchors so he is ready for any and all conditions of wind, sea and bottom. I carry about seven anchors all told but only have three ready to go at all times. The others are stowed low in the bilges. The others are storm anchors and spare anchors to be used in severe conditions. Ready on the bow I have a Danforth Deepset, a CQR plow and a Herreschoff fisherman (this is the only one that looks like a traditional anchor to a lubber). Sized for the boat, the anchors aren't prohibitively heavy. All told, I have about 80 pounds on the bow from anchors/chain/line. With that I'm ready for just about any bottom type. |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Jessica B wrote: Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. Weight counts but weight isn't the be-all/end-all. A lighter patent anchor that digs in and buries itself can hold better than a heavy 'navy type' anchor that does not, for example. And, too much weight on the bow can be detrimental to the pitching moment of a small sailboat. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:55:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:05:56 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message m... snip The mean librarian look? Heh... I don't usually wear my hair up... just tied in the back or in a pony if my niece gets ambitious. Yes, that stern, professionally-dressed librarian wearing big eyeglasses with the promise of wild passion hidden beneath is every man's fantasy. LOL! Ever do French braids - that's hot! Hmmm... I think this says something Freudian, but I don't know what. lol Yes, it could have something to do with control issues. It is often said that men like to take a vacation from their usual role of being in control of things in their everyday life, jobs, etc. I will have to keep this in mind! YUMMY! Never had that kind of braid... I tend to keep my hair flowing unless I have to work on something then I put it up. I guess French braids are a good way to put it up but I think they take time to do right and maybe somebody has to do them for you to get them nice and even. Since you seem able to "do things right" you might be good at it. :-D Only if I could practice on a phat girl like you. :-) snip I'm not interested in putting smoke in my lungs. Just seems dumb. Good girl! I don't understand why we can't build a decent border security system.. all they seem to do is waste money trying. It can be done. The fact of the matter is the federal government just doesn't want to do it. Too many freaking liberals who think illegal aliens are 'entitled' to live here. This liberal 'entitlement' mentality is going to be the end of all of us, I'm afraid. |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip In my case (and Jimbo's) you don't get anything else unless you get the mind first. Stace is a less strict. You never know who's going to be leaving in the morning (we were roommates in college). Can't fault any of that. Well,, she's not a slut or anything... I don't mean to bad-mouth her. She's a wonderful person... just sometimes she makes questionable choices. I guess we all do. That's true. And, it's the chooser who reaps the rewards or suffers the adversity for their choice so I figure it's their own business to have whatever promiscuity standards they're comfortable with. To each his/her own when it comes to sexual mores in singles. Married? Then that's a horse of a different color . . . |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip I just want to know who the fricken woman was who was on your boat!!! lol Surely, you're not the jealous type? She's the one I mentioned who ran a background check on me to make sure I wasn't some criminal or pervert. She took that video about six years ago now when she came down for a visit. We're still friends. |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip I have no idea where the Florida Bay is... is that on the west side? I'm guessing, but it seems like there's ocean all around. Florida Bay is the water between the Keys and the mainland peninsular. Much of it is way too shallow except for canoes, kayaks, etc. It has lots of little mangrove islands. But, closer to the Keys island chain the water is deep enough to sail and the Intracoastal Waterway runs though it. Oh... Fort Jefferson... I looked it up and it looks like it's the same as the Dry Tortugas, which is what I was thinking of... http://www.nps.gov/drto/index.htm That looks beautiful! Can your boat go there? Sure she can. I've never been out there but it would make a nice trip. Probably would take a couple weeks to do a round trip right. |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Jessica B wrote: Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. Weight counts but weight isn't the be-all/end-all. A lighter patent anchor that digs in and buries itself can hold better than a heavy 'navy type' anchor that does not, for example. And, too much weight on the bow can be detrimental to the pitching moment of a small sailboat. Wilbur Hubbard Among my collection of anchors are two Danforth types. One is steel and heavy. The other is aluminum and very light. Both are the same size. What little use I've given them still shows that the heavy anchor holds better. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Jessica B wrote: Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. Weight counts but weight isn't the be-all/end-all. A lighter patent anchor that digs in and buries itself can hold better than a heavy 'navy type' anchor that does not, for example. And, too much weight on the bow can be detrimental to the pitching moment of a small sailboat. Wilbur Hubbard Among my collection of anchors are two Danforth types. One is steel and heavy. The other is aluminum and very light. Both are the same size. What little use I've given them still shows that the heavy anchor holds better. Those aluminum "Fortress" or Fortress-copy anchors are, indeed, too light for their size until you get into the largest sizes. If you shipped one of comparable weight (and thus huge in size) as your Danforth it would hold better in most conditions where the holding was adequate, bottom composition-wise, by virtue of it's greater surface area. But, consider this. Compare a 15 pound Herreschoff fisherman anchor and a 21 pound Danforth. In certain bottoms the Herreschoff will hold like crazy, (rocky, pitted bottoms mostly where a fluke can fall into a small pit and snag) while the heavier Danforth will just end up skittering along. So, weight does matter but it is only one factor. . . Wilbur Hubbard |
How to anchor under sail Bahamian style (was: Cannibal)
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:34:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip Jessica, this is a repeat in case you didn't see the one from 'Gregory Hall'. Ok, well, I can get pasty. :} But probably not *as pasty* as those Canadians who live where it's so cold that their skin never sees any sun for months at a time. At least you go to the beach from time to time so you might have some evidence of tan lines?? I thiink I did see it.. I suppose I do have such evidence. :-) I might have to take a flight in the next couple of months, so thanks for reminding me! You're welcome. ;-) Perhaps you'll think of me when you're all crammed in there . . . Next to obese people? Nah... I'll be thinking of someone in better shape than that! Ouch! That means you think I'm in bad shape? Who's your favorite male celebrity - better shape-wise? Noooo... not at all. From your pic you look like you're in very good shape. If you ride even half as much as you said you do, then you're in way better shape than 90% of the people... Celebrity? Hmmm.... male celebrity I'm guessing.. ok. This link is pretty strange, but here's my answer... http://backseatcuddler.com/2007/09/0...crazy-italian/ snip Two (anchors) of(f) the front? I guess you could put them away from each other somehow. Otherwise they'd get all tangled. How deep do you anchor typically? I guess in the Keys it must be pretty shallow... like 10 to 20 feet? If less than that don't you worry about waves picking up the boat and letting it land on the bottom.. or is that impossible? You've sure got a good head on your shoulders, girl. Yes, two anchors off the bow as in "Bahamian Style" which is anchors placed about 60 degrees apart as described by the angle of the anchor rodes. In a tidal current they are places slightly up current and slight down current so when the tide and current changes the boat still lies between both with relatively equal pulls. In a wind only situation one places the anchors more like 90-120 degrees apart and this holds the bow directly into the wind and it doesn't sheer around. So, that's what they do in the Bahamas? I've never been, but it's pretty close to you? How do you get the second anchor in the right place? You can't put them in at the same time, so you must have to get the boat to the second spot. It must be tough to judge where it is in relation to the first one, since it's on the bottom. It takes a little practice but it's not overly difficult. Many places in the Bahamas develop some pretty strong tidal currents and it changes directions twice a day so, yes, if you want to stay put you really need two anchors set out across the current and well dug in. The Bahamas are pretty close by - probably about the same distance offshore as Santa Catalina Island out there but there are hundreds of little and larger islands out there. One can sail for months and not come close to visiting them all. Most are not even inhabited. It's a wonderful cruising ground. Sail for months... wow... so cool. I wish I had that kind of time! Placing the anchors can be made into a comedy of errors using the 'committee' approach and/or using the motor and yacht tender (dinghy) or it can be done correctly and simply like I do it when single-handing. So called sailors like Bruce, for example, probably never set two anchors, Bahamian-style, under sail but I can and do set them that way all the time and it is a no fuss - no muss operation when done in a seamanlike fashion. Here is how a real sailor does it. 1) Sail into the anchorage and proceed upwind close hauled on a port tack to the place a fifty feet or so to the right of where you wish the boat to end up. I like about ten feet of depth in clear water so the bottom can be easily seen. Ok... I looked up close haul and port tack.. so close to the direction where the wind is coming and going to the right.. 2) Pinch into the wind and coast to a halt with sails luffing. Pinch? So the sails flap around and you lose momentum... got it. 3) Go forward, release the jib halyard at the mast cleat and quickly roll and stow the sail along the starboard lifelines out of the way. Release and drop the anchor that is ready on the starboard bow roller and quickly pay out about 100 feet of anchor rode (easy to know provided the rode is marked) as the boat slowly gathers sternway. Make the line fast to a cleat. Umm... don't you have to keep the boat going in the right direction? Isn't it going to wander off or ? Sure are a lot of terms to look up... lifelines? For safety? Anchor rode.. but this isn't chain right? It's rope. Do you have to worry about pulling the cleat off the boat if it stops suddenly?? Seems like a boat weighing...? 2500 lbs and a sudden stop? It depends on how fast it's going but still... 4) Proceed back to the cockpit, unsheet the mainsail from its close-hauled position and put the tiller over to port which will cause the bow to fall off to port due to the sternway. Ok, I'm going to have to draw this I think.. sigh.. 5) Sheet the mainsail to a reaching position on a starboard tack and the boat will soon stop its sternway and commence moving forward away from the dropped anchor which will appear by the direction of the rode to be off the starboard beam. This all should be accomplished prior to the anchor rode snubbing up on the dropped anchor or the bow will come into the wind again and the mainsail will be ineffective. 50-60 feet of 'spare' rode length would be about right. I think I understand... basically, you sail up to one spot, then back off and sail up to the other. 6) As the boat gathers headway, sheet in the mainsail so the sail attacks the shifting wind at the proper angle of attack until it becomes close hauled again (but on a port tack this time as the bow slowly rounds up. 7) As the 100 or so feet of the anchor rode off to starboard starts to tighten up it will be dragged over to about a 60-90 degree angle from the anchor (180 degrees being directly downwind). When the boats gets as far upwind as she will go and the starboard anchor pulls the bow directly into the wind then go forward and drop the anchor that is ready on the port bow roller. 8) Once the anchor strikes bottom, pay out some line and jerk the rode a few times to set the anchor in the bottom as the boat falls back between the two anchors and then pay out about fifty feet of rode and make it fast on a cleat. Then uncleat the starboard anchor rode and slowly retrieve about fifty feet of rode and make it fast to a cleat. The boat will then be lying between the two anchors with the angle described by the anchors of about 90-120 degrees. If one or more of the anchors don't hold the angle will decrease. If they hold the angle will remain constant. 9) On your way back to the cockpit stop at the mast and release the main halyard and let the mainsail fall and strap it to the boom. 10) Look around and note some readily apparent ranges (objects you can line up one behind the other) ashore so you can reference them later to make sure you're not dragging. 11) Go below, grab a cold beer, sit in the cockpit and enjoy but check the ranges over several minutes. If the ranges don't change then you can assume the anchors are both holding. If you really want to feel secure, grab the mask, snorkel and fins and dive the anchors and make sure they are well dug in so you can sleep soundly that night. This scenario is for non-current, wind only situations. It must be modified somewhat or quite a bit depending on the direction and strength of tidal currents, if any. I'm going to print this out! I definitely got the part about the cold beer, diving on the anchors and sleeping soundly. :-) I generally prefer to anchor in relatively shallow water - around six feet at mean low water. Yes, the Keys have very shallow water in many places. As for waves picking up the boat and slamming it on the bottom that's not likely to happen in wind-generated wave action, at least. See, it's the depth of the water that determines the height of the wave and the depth of the wave trough in shallow water. In six-foot deep water the largest wind-generated wave possible would be about three feet. So, that would still give a three-foot cushion for a 3-foot draught boot in one fathom of depth - one fathom being six feet. Ok... I get it I think, and if it's really, really bad weather, you could put the boat somewhere where it's more protected... Right. They call them 'hurricane holes'. They are generally smaller places with high sides and good holding. Do you ever do this? Tech away! I get jargon thrown at me all the time from contractors... I was riding with a gf of mine and she tells me she hears a noise from under the car, so I said I know what that is.. Really??? Well, yeah, it's the band clatter of either the drive shaft or the transmission... now if it's the drive shaft then it's not too serious, but if it's the transmission, well you might be able to get someone to adjust it but it probably needs to get replaced. She was amazed and then angry when I told her I made it all up. See how devilish you are, Jessica? You made it all up. That's funny! Can you say, "instigator?" LOL! As for teching away, I probably teched away plenty enough above. LOL! It wouldn't surprise me if even the likes of Bruce, Waldo, WaIIy, Wayne, JustinC, etc. are scratching their addled pates and scrambling for the sailing reference guides. I was looking on the book wall at the gym and saw Sailing for Dummies! :-) |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:27:05 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. Hi Richard, Well, I guess I was concerned that it would be alot of space and weight. Aren't there anchors that overlap as far as use goes? |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:51:23 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Jessica B wrote: Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. Weight counts but weight isn't the be-all/end-all. A lighter patent anchor that digs in and buries itself can hold better than a heavy 'navy type' anchor that does not, for example. And, too much weight on the bow can be detrimental to the pitching moment of a small sailboat. Wilbur Hubbard Among my collection of anchors are two Danforth types. One is steel and heavy. The other is aluminum and very light. Both are the same size. What little use I've given them still shows that the heavy anchor holds better. Isn't that sort of obvious? Then why would you carry the lighter one? |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:41:46 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . trimmed a lot Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... At least he's not dumb enough to still think you're my sock puppet. Yes, you don't necessarily know what's on the bottom when you go someplace but you can refer to the charts of the area and they will tell you what's on the bottom so you have a good idea beforehand what's the most suitable anchor type to use for a given anchorage. A real cruising sailor will ship multiple anchors so he is ready for any and all conditions of wind, sea and bottom. I carry about seven anchors all told but only have three ready to go at all times. The others are stowed low in the bilges. The others are storm anchors and spare anchors to be used in severe conditions. Ok... so, in another comment you said keeping all the weight on the bow isn't good, so you must put them elsewhere? I would think in the middle of the boat but is there really a place like that. Ready on the bow I have a Danforth Deepset, a CQR plow and a Herreschoff fisherman (this is the only one that looks like a traditional anchor to a lubber). Sized for the boat, the anchors aren't prohibitively heavy. All told, I have about 80 pounds on the bow from anchors/chain/line. With that I'm ready for just about any bottom type. I would be that lubber! LOL I'll have to see what the others look like... |
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Jessica B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:51:23 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Jessica B wrote: Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several places and they're all different? Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh... Take them all! And in the end, weight counts. Weight counts but weight isn't the be-all/end-all. A lighter patent anchor that digs in and buries itself can hold better than a heavy 'navy type' anchor that does not, for example. And, too much weight on the bow can be detrimental to the pitching moment of a small sailboat. Wilbur Hubbard Among my collection of anchors are two Danforth types. One is steel and heavy. The other is aluminum and very light. Both are the same size. What little use I've given them still shows that the heavy anchor holds better. Isn't that sort of obvious? Then why would you carry the lighter one? Lunch hook. It's a lot easier to raise (hey, it's lighter!) My foredeck is strictly female territory. And handy for a 2 point snag. It (the aluminum hook) hangs on a bracket on the stern rail where I can drop it quickly if the need should arise. But the steel anchor is my "best bower". -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:51:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:55:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:05:56 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message om... snip The mean librarian look? Heh... I don't usually wear my hair up... just tied in the back or in a pony if my niece gets ambitious. Yes, that stern, professionally-dressed librarian wearing big eyeglasses with the promise of wild passion hidden beneath is every man's fantasy. LOL! Ever do French braids - that's hot! Hmmm... I think this says something Freudian, but I don't know what. lol Yes, it could have something to do with control issues. It is often said that men like to take a vacation from their usual role of being in control of things in their everyday life, jobs, etc. I will have to keep this in mind! YUMMY! Never had that kind of braid... I tend to keep my hair flowing unless I have to work on something then I put it up. I guess French braids are a good way to put it up but I think they take time to do right and maybe somebody has to do them for you to get them nice and even. Since you seem able to "do things right" you might be good at it. :-D Only if I could practice on a phat girl like you. :-) snip I'm not interested in putting smoke in my lungs. Just seems dumb. Good girl! I don't understand why we can't build a decent border security system.. all they seem to do is waste money trying. It can be done. The fact of the matter is the federal government just doesn't want to do it. Too many freaking liberals who think illegal aliens are 'entitled' to live here. This liberal 'entitlement' mentality is going to be the end of all of us, I'm afraid. I hope something is done... I'm truly shocked by the number of Hispanics who are working and can't speak English. I don't know if they're legal or not, but whatever. |
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