Cannibal
 

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Look what I miss while I'm in the woods...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Things I don't like a


3) no mast steps (it shouldn't take a committee to ascent to the
masthead)


Wilbur Hubbard


I thought you were one of the ones complaining about how nasty mast steps
were for tangling lines...

L8R

Skip, still looking for that one Pace-Edwards mast step

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half
so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about
in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do,
and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."





I'm against the kind that you were planning to install. They snag halyards.
The kind I have installed are the folding type that can't snag a line if
they tried. No REAL sailor adds anything to his boat that will cause more
trouble than it's worth. That's why I tried to talk you out of your folly
but you wouldn't listen because you have a stubborn streak.

You can just barely see my folding mast steps. They are that unobtrusive.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

this particular photo shows them the most:

http://captainneal.files.wordpress.c...dsc00294ps.jpg

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:41:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

snip


It's been howling - it's a real workout training on the bike. The bridges
are especially rough. The sides of the bridges tend to funnel the wind
straint down the bridge. It's like trying to go upwind (and up hill) in a
wind tunnel that's blowing in your face around 30-35 mph. It'll grow hair
on
your chest. LOL!

Not on my chest!! lol

Waldo seems to think you need to have 'something' there. LOL!

Go for it. Maybe the gas can guy has a hot tub and he sure has some wine.
Everybody in California is a wino, it seems. They don't seem to care a
whole
lot for beer like us real men. ;-)

There's a common hot tub in the building where I live, but I have
friends who have them... Hey, I like a beer now and then. I don't like
all the foam though. Also, red wine is supposed to be good for you.
lol

Ewwww. I would never do a common hot tub anywhere. I've heard of women
actually getting pregant from sitting in one of those things. I certainly
would not trust the sanitation methods. If a not so tough spermatozoa can
survive I'd guess things like the herpes virus and the human papaloma virus
would absolutely thrive.

Red wine is good because of the anti-oxidants. But, beer has good stuff in
it as well. Hey, if you don't like foamy beer than stop shaking it or chill
it some more. LOL

snip


I never run out of wind, people don't call old Wilbur a blowhard for
nothing. LOL!

I think they just can't stand the heat!

They lack the mental lacunea to do so.

I'm going to send you an email... got a couple of questions... I'll do
that when I get back from the gym.


Promises, promises! :-(


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:21:25 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Look what I miss while I'm in the woods...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Things I don't like a


3) no mast steps (it shouldn't take a committee to ascent to the
masthead)


Wilbur Hubbard


I thought you were one of the ones complaining about how nasty mast steps
were for tangling lines...

L8R

Skip, still looking for that one Pace-Edwards mast step

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half
so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about
in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do,
and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."





I'm against the kind that you were planning to install. They snag halyards.
The kind I have installed are the folding type that can't snag a line if
they tried. No REAL sailor adds anything to his boat that will cause more
trouble than it's worth. That's why I tried to talk you out of your folly
but you wouldn't listen because you have a stubborn streak.

You can just barely see my folding mast steps. They are that unobtrusive.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

this particular photo shows them the most:

http://captainneal.files.wordpress.c...dsc00294ps.jpg

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you, keep your mouth shut.
You just keep talking and talking and proving over and over how little
you know.

If you haul up a sail the halyard is tight, or in the case of many
boats nearly entirely inside the mast. In these cases it does not
tangle in the mast steps, no matter what kind they are.

It is only at anchor when the sails are down and the halyards dangling
there beside the mast that they get all snarled up in the steps.

What an ego. You just have to insist on talking and showing the world
how uninformed you are.

Cheers,

Bruce

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:21:25 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Look what I miss while I'm in the woods...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Things I don't like a


3) no mast steps (it shouldn't take a committee to ascent to the
masthead)


Wilbur Hubbard


I thought you were one of the ones complaining about how nasty mast
steps
were for tangling lines...

L8R

Skip, still looking for that one Pace-Edwards mast step

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half
so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing
about
in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do,
and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."





I'm against the kind that you were planning to install. They snag
halyards.
The kind I have installed are the folding type that can't snag a line if
they tried. No REAL sailor adds anything to his boat that will cause more
trouble than it's worth. That's why I tried to talk you out of your folly
but you wouldn't listen because you have a stubborn streak.

You can just barely see my folding mast steps. They are that unobtrusive.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

this particular photo shows them the most:

http://captainneal.files.wordpress.c...dsc00294ps.jpg

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of
all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you, keep your mouth shut.
You just keep talking and talking and proving over and over how little
you know.

If you haul up a sail the halyard is tight, or in the case of many
boats nearly entirely inside the mast. In these cases it does not
tangle in the mast steps, no matter what kind they are.

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and you
know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those pile of
junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in them when
dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with flogging,
flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it. This will
require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are supposed to
make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast under emergency
conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the pathetic, I say.

It is only at anchor when the sails are down and the halyards dangling
there beside the mast that they get all snarled up in the steps.


Wrong. See above. And, you probably have a lubberly roll-up headsail system
so you KNOW NOTHING about nor are you even able to remove a too-large
headsail and bend on a storm jib, for example when the wind has gotten up.
So the jib halyard snarls up around a bunch of ill-conceived mast steps and
you can neither get the too large sail down nor bend on the just right sail.
I can see now why you failed in your circumnavigation, Bruce.


What an ego. You just have to insist on talking and showing the world
how uninformed you are.

The world is perceptive enough to realize it's the other way around, Bruce.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and you
know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those pile
of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in them
when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with
flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it.
This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are
supposed to make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast
under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the
pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the sail.
That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my hand on the
sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the halyard, let alone
enough to go around a step.

And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so I
can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as to
cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail, and the
weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it) halyard to
managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast) step to foul on
it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about 2.5' down from the
pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the mast has an 8" cross
section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle down even half
(considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the wind, which would have
to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent so that the theory is
similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing sails), and it is probably
close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))

So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than you
can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps that
only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a means of
not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift causing that
pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to be meangless).

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender little
hands....

L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just for
fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around my
step, of course!)

Cannibal
 

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and
you know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those
pile of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in
them when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with
flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it.
This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are
supposed to make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast
under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the
pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the sail.
That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my hand on
the sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the halyard, let
alone enough to go around a step.

And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so I
can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as to
cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail, and
the weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it)
halyard to managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast)
step to foul on it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about 2.5'
down from the pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the mast has
an 8" cross section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle down even
half (considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the wind, which
would have to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent so that the
theory is similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing sails), and it
is probably close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))

So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than
you can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps
that only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a
means of not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift causing
that pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to be
meangless).

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender little
hands....

L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just for
fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around my
step, of course!)





OK Skippy, you asked for it. But, unfortunately, I don't have the time to
deal with you properly right now. I've got to log off but you're NOT off the
hook. Tomorrow I will post a scathing rebuke and expose your false or poorly
thought out statements.

A toute a l'heure.

Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard



I see you took off that fancy rig for lifting/storing the dinghy. I see
you also got another new engine (well, at least there's a white one in this,
and the others I see are black).

And made a LOT of topsides improvements since seen in the yard when you were
doing some other work (apparently redoing the stripe at the top and other
trim items which hadn't been done in your original yard shots).

The paint job, and all the improvements, especially cosmetic ones, make her
look just like she must have 20 or 30 years ago! Taking off the name was a
good idea, too...

Come to think of it, it looks so good that it could be used in a brochure!

L8R

Skip, who's thinking of a topsides repaint, himself

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
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and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:06:20 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:41:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

snip


It's been howling - it's a real workout training on the bike. The bridges
are especially rough. The sides of the bridges tend to funnel the wind
straint down the bridge. It's like trying to go upwind (and up hill) in a
wind tunnel that's blowing in your face around 30-35 mph. It'll grow hair
on
your chest. LOL!

Not on my chest!! lol

Waldo seems to think you need to have 'something' there. LOL!

Go for it. Maybe the gas can guy has a hot tub and he sure has some wine.
Everybody in California is a wino, it seems. They don't seem to care a
whole
lot for beer like us real men. ;-)

There's a common hot tub in the building where I live, but I have
friends who have them... Hey, I like a beer now and then. I don't like
all the foam though. Also, red wine is supposed to be good for you.
lol

Ewwww. I would never do a common hot tub anywhere. I've heard of women
actually getting pregant from sitting in one of those things. I certainly
would not trust the sanitation methods. If a not so tough spermatozoa can
survive I'd guess things like the herpes virus and the human papaloma virus
would absolutely thrive.

I doubt it... there is so much chlorine... lots of regulations out
here for that. I don't use it because of that and you can't have any
alcohol and there's a curfew. Too many rules.


Red wine is good because of the anti-oxidants. But, beer has good stuff in
it as well. Hey, if you don't like foamy beer than stop shaking it or chill
it some more. LOL

LOL... I should be the servant for my brother, since he's got a nasty
habit of shaking it up before he hands it to me.

snip


I never run out of wind, people don't call old Wilbur a blowhard for
nothing. LOL!

I think they just can't stand the heat!

They lack the mental lacunea to do so.

I'm going to send you an email... got a couple of questions... I'll do
that when I get back from the gym.


Promises, promises! :-(

Didn't you get it?? I haven't seen a reply...


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:51:08 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:21:25 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Look what I miss while I'm in the woods...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Things I don't like a


3) no mast steps (it shouldn't take a committee to ascent to the
masthead)


Wilbur Hubbard


I thought you were one of the ones complaining about how nasty mast
steps
were for tangling lines...

L8R

Skip, still looking for that one Pace-Edwards mast step

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half
so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing
about
in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do,
and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."





I'm against the kind that you were planning to install. They snag
halyards.
The kind I have installed are the folding type that can't snag a line if
they tried. No REAL sailor adds anything to his boat that will cause more
trouble than it's worth. That's why I tried to talk you out of your folly
but you wouldn't listen because you have a stubborn streak.

You can just barely see my folding mast steps. They are that unobtrusive.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

this particular photo shows them the most:

http://captainneal.files.wordpress.c...dsc00294ps.jpg

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of
all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you, keep your mouth shut.
You just keep talking and talking and proving over and over how little
you know.

If you haul up a sail the halyard is tight, or in the case of many
boats nearly entirely inside the mast. In these cases it does not
tangle in the mast steps, no matter what kind they are.

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and you
know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those pile of
junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in them when
dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with flogging,
flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it. This will
require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are supposed to
make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast under emergency
conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the pathetic, I say.

Willie, lets be honest. You don't sail in a gale, or near gale,
conditions. You don't sail at all, excepting your recent bay safari,
so your knowledge of gale conditions is limited to whatever book you
are reading this week.

So the external halyards are slapping all over the place. Which
halyards are those, pray tell? You can't have modified your boat to
run the halyards external to the mast have you? On the other hand, you
may well have, knowing you.

But, internal or external what halyards are you referring to? You've
got your mainsail halyard that is hooked to either your reefed main or
a storm trysail and you've got your jib halyard hooked to your jib,
whatever kind you have bent on. Both halyards have tension on them and
a tight halyard doesn't flail around.

I can tell that you have been reading books again with your stories of
flogging sails and flailing lines....

But what is that is going to require your emergency trip up the mast
in the teeth of a howling gale?

I know that those sailing books are exciting, especially to the
neophyte, but put the books aside and actually take a trip on the
boat. Even down the bay and back. Maybe you'll learn something.....
maybe.

It is only at anchor when the sails are down and the halyards dangling
there beside the mast that they get all snarled up in the steps.


Wrong. See above. And, you probably have a lubberly roll-up headsail system
so you KNOW NOTHING about nor are you even able to remove a too-large
headsail and bend on a storm jib, for example when the wind has gotten up.
So the jib halyard snarls up around a bunch of ill-conceived mast steps and
you can neither get the too large sail down nor bend on the just right sail.
I can see now why you failed in your circumnavigation, Bruce.


Willie-boy there you go again. Remove a too large headsail.... and I
thought you were a sailor.what in the world are you doing with this
monster headsail up in a storm?

Certainly a squall might blow in, but even then, if you are keeping a
proper look-out you'll see it in time to get your sails sorted. But a
proper gale or near gale doesn't spring upon you out of a clear blue
sky, It takes days to develop and will certainly be reported on all
weather channels. You have no excuse, in these days, to be caught out
in a gale with the wrong sails.

Well, actually it is obvious that you haven't with your story about
halyards snarling up on the mast steps.... I keep telling you....

When changing a head sail the halyard is attached to the peak of the
jib, which in turn is shackled to the jib stay, or head stay.
Depending on the type of boat the distance varies but in any event it
is approximately half the boat length forward of the mast. Not a
chance in hell of tangling with the mast. The other end is neatly run
over the masthead sheave and down the inside of the mast where it
can't get snarled, out the base and aft to your cockpit, or neatly
cleated off at the mast foot.

Nothing there to get snarled and require climbing the mast.

You must learn that these book writers want to keep your interest so
they tell these resounding tales of daring do.... and you fall for it
every time.

By the way, talking about gales and storms and such. Take a look at
Lynn Pardy's tales about how they weathering two hurricanes in their
little boat. In both storms they stayed below, in their bunks. No
snarled halyards, no tangled sails.

But of course, the Pardy's ARE sailors.


What an ego. You just have to insist on talking and showing the world
how uninformed you are.

The world is perceptive enough to realize it's the other way around, Bruce.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cheers,

Bruce

Cannibal
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:06:20 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip

Ewwww. I would never do a common hot tub anywhere. I've heard of women
actually getting pregant from sitting in one of those things. I certainly
would not trust the sanitation methods. If a not so tough spermatozoa can
survive I'd guess things like the herpes virus and the human papaloma
virus
would absolutely thrive.

I doubt it... there is so much chlorine... lots of regulations out
here for that. I don't use it because of that and you can't have any
alcohol and there's a curfew. Too many rules.

You'd think that but it's not necessarily so. Didn't you hear the stories a
couple years ago where some of the VA hospitals were spreading HIV/AIDS and
Hepatitus C because they weren't sterilizing colonoscopy equipment properly?
And, that's a hospital. Who is responsible for health threats in a public
hot tub? Some janitor? Think about it.

Red wine is good because of the anti-oxidants. But, beer has good stuff in
it as well. Hey, if you don't like foamy beer than stop shaking it or
chill
it some more. LOL

LOL... I should be the servant for my brother, since he's got a nasty
habit of shaking it up before he hands it to me.

That guy's a real hoot! Well, at least he probably taught you caution.



I'm going to send you an email... got a couple of questions... I'll do
that when I get back from the gym.


Promises, promises! :-(

Didn't you get it?? I haven't seen a reply...

Never saw hide nor hair of it, Jessica. I even went back and checked the
junk mail in case it got put in there somehow and I checked the deleted mail
folder in case it got in there by mistake and there's no sign of a recent
e-mail from you at all. The last one I got was dated March 2nd and I
answered that one.

Cannibal
 

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

Please don't be envious of how my boat shines and Flying Pig is sort of
all
dull and chalky looking.


Wilbur Hubbard



I see you took off that fancy rig for lifting/storing the dinghy. I see
you also got another new engine (well, at least there's a white one in
this, and the others I see are black).


You got things confused. The picture on top is the OLD picture from several
years ago. The ones down below are the new pictures.

And made a LOT of topsides improvements since seen in the yard when you
were doing some other work (apparently redoing the stripe at the top and
other trim items which hadn't been done in your original yard shots).

Yes, I've been sanding and painting. Still have some to go but the weather
has been too windy for much work standing in the dinghy and trying to sand
and paint so I'm biding my time. It will calm down soon enough.

The paint job, and all the improvements, especially cosmetic ones, make
her look just like she must have 20 or 30 years ago! Taking off the name
was a good idea, too...

The name is still on the topsides. People have to know what boat is sailing
past them so fast. . .

Come to think of it, it looks so good that it could be used in a brochure!


Thanks for the compliment. I like a boat that looks simple and uncluttered.
You will note the newer photos look less cluttered than the older one at the
top.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

Now, you're gonna get it since I have some typing time . . .



"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails are
raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails and
you know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with those
pile of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard tangled in
them when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst time with
flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want or need it.
This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY STEPS that are
supposed to make it less likely that one will need to ascend the mast
under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and bordering on the
pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the sail.
That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my hand on
the sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the halyard, let
alone enough to go around a step.

It sounds to me like you need to lubricate the sail slugs or the sail track.
It shouldn't be that difficult to raise the mainsail. And, here's a trick
for you since you apparently have not learned it yourself. Raise the
mainsail as far as you can by strength alone - do not jump up and down. Then
take a wrap or two around the cleat and PULL OUT on the halyard. This will
leverage it up to the top (provided the boom goose neck isn't fixed). Then
cleat off the halyard, and push down on the boom at the gooseneck and tie
and cleat the downhaul line. Your method of lowering the mainsail and
letting the halyard slide through your fingers will result in a significant
belly in the halyard that in any kind of a stiff wind will be flopping all
over the place due to wind and seas and this belly is what gets tangled in
the crappy mast steps you have installed.


And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so I
can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as to
cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail, and
the weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it)
halyard to managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast)
step to foul on it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about 2.5'
down from the pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the mast has
an 8" cross section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle down even
half (considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the wind, which
would have to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent so that the
theory is similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing sails), and it
is probably close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))


It will foul eventually - don't be so naive. And, when it fouls there's
gonna be hell to pay. BELIEVE IT. If something bad can happen, it will
happen. That's Murphy's law.

So much discussion about the proposed TOP mast step when you have a series
of lower ones that will give you nothing but trouble. Boy, Skippy, you need
to look at the whole picture.


So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than
you can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps
that only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a
means of not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift causing
that pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to be
meangless).

My mast steps are 6" wide. Measure your foot, not length-wise but sideways.
If your foot is over six inches wide then you're a freak. As for my foot
slipping off the outer end, it's never happened and it's never come close to
happening. And, even if it should happen, a wise climber NEVER allows
himself to be supported by one appendage only.

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender little
hands....

Duh! Another sign that you are clueless. When anchoring under sail one
doesn't waste time flaking the mainsail when dousing it. One lets it fall
down on and around the boom any way it wishes to fall. Only after other
necessary anchoring chores are completed does the captain or crew return to
the mast and flake the sail adding gaskets as he flakes the sail from the
outer end of the boom to the inner end. You, obviously don't quite have sail
handling down to an art yet. Practice some more and come back when you have
it down, please.



L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just for
fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around my
step, of course!)


As he ignores in his arrogance the pile of junk steps he's used to get up to
the top. LOL!

Skippy, you're a real hoot.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
snip

Willie, lets be honest. You don't sail in a gale, or near gale,
conditions. You don't sail at all, excepting your recent bay safari,
so your knowledge of gale conditions is limited to whatever book you
are reading this week.

You don't even believe video proof so what am I to do? Pay your air fare so
your fat, skeptical ass can come aboard and see for yourself? But, even that
course of action would likely fail as you would probably get seasick the
instant your back foot stepped onto my fine bluewater yacht.

So the external halyards are slapping all over the place. Which
halyards are those, pray tell? You can't have modified your boat to
run the halyards external to the mast have you? On the other hand, you
may well have, knowing you.

My fine yacht was manufactured in the year of our Lord 1971 AD (or RE as it
is now often called due to political correctness). Back in those days, they
built, long-lasting, trouble-free purist boats. Internal halyards were (and
remain still) anathema to trouble free sailing and easy maintenance.
External halyards are superior in just about every conceivable way over
internal halyards. My halyards are wire rope/double braid line hybrids. When
the sails are topped there is just enough of a length of double braid to
allowed the halyard to be made fast (cleated off). The remainder consists of
wire rope that doesn't stretch and this allows the luffs to remain nice and
straight for better performance to weather.


But, internal or external what halyards are you referring to? You've
got your mainsail halyard that is hooked to either your reefed main or
a storm trysail and you've got your jib halyard hooked to your jib,
whatever kind you have bent on. Both halyards have tension on them and
a tight halyard doesn't flail around.

Yah, right one is going to spend his time tensioning halyards when one's
first priority is to get properly anchored in a crowed anchorage? But, I
guess a dock dweller doesn't anchor so you wouldn't know about this, now
would you?

Duh, more proof of your armchair sailor status. I guess you've never learned
how to anchor under sail, single-handed. If you had you would know that the
halyards of the lowered sails do, indeed, flail around and if there are mast
steps for them wrap around they will wrap around them. If you have any snags
on a sailboat they WILL snag something eventually. Consequently, only a
MORON purposefully installs potential snags. Only a bigger MORON argues
about the efficacy of doing so out of ignorance like you are now doing.

I can tell that you have been reading books again with your stories of
flogging sails and flailing lines....

But what is that is going to require your emergency trip up the mast
in the teeth of a howling gale?


It most certainly won't be to replace an 'internal' halyard that takes a
trip to the yard to unstep the mast unless there happens to be a messenger
line in place which I doubt even you, in your infinite wisdom, (yah right)
have in place. It is a very simple matter to replace an external halyard. As
a matter of fact my spinnaker halyard is so simple to clip onto the fitting
at the masthead that I don't even bother to keep the spinnaker halyard
installed unless and until I decide I'd like to do a nice spinnaker run. Try
that with an internal halyard. LOL!

I know that those sailing books are exciting, especially to the
neophyte, but put the books aside and actually take a trip on the
boat. Even down the bay and back. Maybe you'll learn something.....
maybe.

Reading and then DOING is the key to learning. You've learned nothing
because, although your might read you've been sitting around the docks and
otherwise have been a lubber for 35 some odd years now. So sad!

It is only at anchor when the sails are down and the halyards dangling
there beside the mast that they get all snarled up in the steps.


Wrong. See above. And, you probably have a lubberly roll-up headsail
system
so you KNOW NOTHING about nor are you even able to remove a too-large
headsail and bend on a storm jib, for example when the wind has gotten up.
So the jib halyard snarls up around a bunch of ill-conceived mast steps
and
you can neither get the too large sail down nor bend on the just right
sail.
I can see now why you failed in your circumnavigation, Bruce.


Willie-boy there you go again. Remove a too large headsail.... and I
thought you were a sailor.what in the world are you doing with this
monster headsail up in a storm?

Never heard of reefing as the winds increase so as to have the proper press
of sail for the contitions on hand. One takes a reef or two in the mainsail
via slab reefing on my fine blue water yacht to reef down. One unhanks a
too-large sail and hanks back on a sail suited to the increasing winds. When
doing so, the halyard will be quite slack unless one clips the bitter end to
some deck eye and hauls it tight. But that would be very stupid and
dangerous going back and forth to the cleat. Duh! Instead one lowers the
headsail, then one proceeds to unhank it leaving the halyard attached so it
doesn't carry away. Then one hanks on the smaller sail from bottom to top
and switches the halyard. Then one switches the sheets and then one raises
the headsail and sheets it in. A simple procces tha one should NEVER clutter
up or slow down by making sure the halyard is always taunt.

Learn how to sail, Rube. Loose the wind-ups and you might actually learn
what real sailing is all about.

snipped remainder of clueless and idiotic ramblings of a dock-dwelling
wannabe


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:46:42 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
snip

Willie, lets be honest. You don't sail in a gale, or near gale,
conditions. You don't sail at all, excepting your recent bay safari,
so your knowledge of gale conditions is limited to whatever book you
are reading this week.

You don't even believe video proof so what am I to do? Pay your air fare so
your fat, skeptical ass can come aboard and see for yourself? But, even that
course of action would likely fail as you would probably get seasick the
instant your back foot stepped onto my fine bluewater yacht.

Willie, to be evidence the video has to show you aboard the boat and
the boat sailing. The video you claim for proof simply shows a boring
view over the S.B. side. Could have been anybody's boat. Certainly no
evidence that you were aboard.

Rather like all your claims.
Cheers,

Bruce

Cannibal
 

Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...

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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Now, you're gonna get it since I have some typing time . . .



"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, again :{))

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong, Dumbo! You show what type of sailor YOU are with the above
dunderheadedness. (Can you say 'fair weather sailor') It just so happens
some us sail in gale or near gale conditions. Under those conditions
external halyards are slapping all over the freaking place when sails
are raised. It becomes even more of a whipfest when lowering the sails
and you know, Bruce, what goes up must come down. Duh! Everybody with
those pile of junk triangular mast loops will end up with a halyard
tangled in them when dousing sail. And, they will be stuck at the worst
time with flogging, flailing, out of control sails when they least want
or need it. This will require a trip up the mast CAUSED BY THE VERY
STEPS that are supposed to make it less likely that one will need to
ascend the mast under emergency conditions. Dumb, stupid, lame and
bordering on the pathetic, I say.

Speaking of pathetic...

I have well over 100# of mainsail. It's heavy enough that even jumping I
can't pull up the last foot or so; I winch it before cleating off, rather
than just tensioning the halyard. I CONTROL the line as I flake the
sail. That means I let it slip through my (bare) hand while I have my
hand on the sail to control how it falls. There is NO slack in the
halyard, let alone enough to go around a step.

It sounds to me like you need to lubricate the sail slugs or the sail
track. It shouldn't be that difficult to raise the mainsail. And, here's a
trick for you since you apparently have not learned it yourself. Raise the
mainsail as far as you can by strength alone - do not jump up and down.
Then take a wrap or two around the cleat and PULL OUT on the halyard. This
will leverage it up to the top (provided the boom goose neck isn't fixed).
Then cleat off the halyard, and push down on the boom at the gooseneck and
tie and cleat the downhaul line. Your method of lowering the mainsail and
letting the halyard slide through your fingers will result in a
significant belly in the halyard that in any kind of a stiff wind will be
flopping all over the place due to wind and seas and this belly is what
gets tangled in the crappy mast steps you have installed.


And, you've not been paying attention, either. I only want _1_ more, so
I can stand at the top of the mast. If the conditions were so severe as
to cause my otherwise-taut (I keep it taut when I've lowered the sail,
and the weight of the sail keeps it reasonably taut as I'm lowering it)
halyard to managed to navigate a 5" (not counting the half-depth mast)
step to foul on it, at (you work out the math; the step will be about
2.5' down from the pulley exit, which is about 1" off center, and the
mast has an 8" cross section) a reasonably broad angle. Carry that angle
down even half (considering the possibility of "catenary" due to the
wind, which would have to be abeam [thus providing a gravity equivalent
so that the theory is similar when turned 90*], unlikely when stowing
sails), and it is probably close to the shroud. Ain't gonna happen :{))


It will foul eventually - don't be so naive. And, when it fouls there's
gonna be hell to pay. BELIEVE IT. If something bad can happen, it will
happen. That's Murphy's law.

So much discussion about the proposed TOP mast step when you have a series
of lower ones that will give you nothing but trouble. Boy, Skippy, you
need to look at the whole picture.


So, I conclude that the massive sail on that yacht of yours is more than
you can handle by controlling the halyard, and so you use folding steps
that only a child's shod foot can fit within (never mind the lack of a
means of not sliding off the side if you got the least bit of lift
causing that pitiful little edge on the plate they give you for safety to
be meangless).

My mast steps are 6" wide. Measure your foot, not length-wise but
sideways. If your foot is over six inches wide then you're a freak. As for
my foot slipping off the outer end, it's never happened and it's never
come close to happening. And, even if it should happen, a wise climber
NEVER allows himself to be supported by one appendage only.

Maybe Jessica would come sail with you and handle that chore for you, and
you'd have this lovely, flaked, sail without burgeoning your tender
little hands....

Duh! Another sign that you are clueless. When anchoring under sail one
doesn't waste time flaking the mainsail when dousing it. One lets it fall
down on and around the boom any way it wishes to fall. Only after other
necessary anchoring chores are completed does the captain or crew return
to the mast and flake the sail adding gaskets as he flakes the sail from
the outer end of the boom to the inner end. You, obviously don't quite
have sail handling down to an art yet. Practice some more and come back
when you have it down, please.



L8R

Skip, down from the top of the mast today, stopping in the middle just
for fun (to measure how far that halyard would have to fly to get around
my step, of course!)


As he ignores in his arrogance the pile of junk steps he's used to get up
to the top. LOL!

Skippy, you're a real hoot.


Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:00:32 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:06:20 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip

Ewwww. I would never do a common hot tub anywhere. I've heard of women
actually getting pregant from sitting in one of those things. I certainly
would not trust the sanitation methods. If a not so tough spermatozoa can
survive I'd guess things like the herpes virus and the human papaloma
virus
would absolutely thrive.

I doubt it... there is so much chlorine... lots of regulations out
here for that. I don't use it because of that and you can't have any
alcohol and there's a curfew. Too many rules.

You'd think that but it's not necessarily so. Didn't you hear the stories a
couple years ago where some of the VA hospitals were spreading HIV/AIDS and
Hepatitus C because they weren't sterilizing colonoscopy equipment properly?
And, that's a hospital. Who is responsible for health threats in a public
hot tub? Some janitor? Think about it.

Believe me... you can feel the chems in the pool. I don't go in unless
I'm desperate. Friends live down the street, so it's no big deal to
hop on the bike or even walk.

Red wine is good because of the anti-oxidants. But, beer has good stuff in
it as well. Hey, if you don't like foamy beer than stop shaking it or
chill
it some more. LOL

LOL... I should be the servant for my brother, since he's got a nasty
habit of shaking it up before he hands it to me.

That guy's a real hoot! Well, at least he probably taught you caution.


Yeah... so funny. I especially loved it right after I took a shower.


I'm going to send you an email... got a couple of questions... I'll do
that when I get back from the gym.


Promises, promises! :-(

Didn't you get it?? I haven't seen a reply...

Never saw hide nor hair of it, Jessica. I even went back and checked the
junk mail in case it got put in there somehow and I checked the deleted mail
folder in case it got in there by mistake and there's no sign of a recent
e-mail from you at all. The last one I got was dated March 2nd and I
answered that one.


Yes... sorry...

Cannibal
 

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...


LOL, consider this fact: Anybody who can render Skippy speechless is doing
something right!

When Skippy has no valid response for the many valid points I made
concerning sail handling, it just might indicate Skippy has no defense for
the INVALID points he has proffered as stand operating procedure.

As for work mode, YES! Start by compiling a long list of lubberly items you
carry aboard - items which do little more than require your constant
attention because of maintenance issues which keep you from learning the
basics such as navigation and sail handling.

After you have completed the list, give serious consideration to lightening
the "Flying Pig" by several thousand pounds by removing said items and
gracing a nearby dumpster with them.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and current
instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working against
the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.



Wilbur Hubbard

Cannibal
 

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Flying wrote in message
...
Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...


LOL, consider this fact: Anybody who can render Skippy speechless is doing
something right!

When Skippy has no valid response for the many valid points I made
concerning sail handling, it just might indicate Skippy has no defense for
the INVALID points he has proffered as stand operating procedure.

As for work mode, YES! Start by compiling a long list of lubberly items you
carry aboard - items which do little more than require your constant
attention because of maintenance issues which keep you from learning the
basics such as navigation and sail handling.

After you have completed the list, give serious consideration to lightening
the "Flying Pig" by several thousand pounds by removing said items and
gracing a nearby dumpster with them.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and current
instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working against
the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.



Wilbur Hubbard


You should concentrate on picking a new hull color for that dilapidated
scow of yours.

Cannibal
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and
current instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working
against the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.



Wilbur Hubbard


Promises, promises.

The last time we spoke of being in your area, you disavowed any promises of
sailing, with or without either of us, limiting it to a friendly beer.

Get your stories straight :{))

As to the project list, just as was the time in SSI, my projects, having
kept up with my chores aboard, are short (other than the bottom job, which
will be pretty labor intensive, as I'm going to make it naked before I put
on whatever critter-killer I decide on). Her chores, which, once started,
seem to expand exponentially, have already involved me about half the time,
so I'm sure I'll be doing half her work while I finish (or have finished,
already) mine.

THEN, we'll both come down and sail with you, as I've gotten the first major
chore, that of getting a car, out of the way...

Oh, ya, you'll have to mail us (which I'm sure you know how to do as I've
never concealed my address), rather than here, cuz I know you'd rather not
have folks know how to reach you. Just as in several other folks who like
to remain unknown but who communicate with me directly, I'll protect that
with/for you.

Looking forward to meeting you...


L8R

Skip, moving right along in the projects list

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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Cannibal
 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:52:27 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Wilbur, Wilbur...

Jessica must have made you go soft. The below is nothing as compared to
some of your earlier works. Wilbur, I thought I knew ye...

It's so insipid I can't even give you the usual satire points, let alone
riposte your egregious mistakes in your encyclopedic knowledge of us and
our fine home.. Who are you, and what have you done with Wilbur???

L8R

Skip, disappointed in your failure to deliver on your earlier promise :{))

PS I apologize, but as of tomorrow morning I'll be in work mode, so I may
not visit very often, computer time being reserved for after-hours only...


LOL, consider this fact: Anybody who can render Skippy speechless is doing
something right!

When Skippy has no valid response for the many valid points I made
concerning sail handling, it just might indicate Skippy has no defense for
the INVALID points he has proffered as stand operating procedure.

Yes, he is struck dumb at your stupidity.

As for work mode, YES! Start by compiling a long list of lubberly items you
carry aboard - items which do little more than require your constant
attention because of maintenance issues which keep you from learning the
basics such as navigation and sail handling.

After you have completed the list, give serious consideration to lightening
the "Flying Pig" by several thousand pounds by removing said items and
gracing a nearby dumpster with them.

Simplify, simplify, simplify. And, while you are working hard you can send
Lydia down to the Keys where I shall be happy to give her a few sailing
lessons so she can teach you how it SHOULD be done on a lightened,
simplified and faster "Flying Pig." I'll even be pleased to give her an
informal class on plotting a course that takes advantage of wind and current
instead of a course that actually has the wind and current working against
the hapless occupants of aforementioned cruising yacht.

Willie-boy, the arm chair sailor opens his mouth yet again exposing
his ignorance.

Willie, these people aren't doing a day trip down the bay, that are
staying out there for a spell..... they need those heavy water tanks.
Unlike you they can't run ashore every day to the public toilets for a
wash.



Wilbur Hubbard

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Cannibal
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Didn't you hear the stories a
couple years ago where some of the VA hospitals were spreading HIV/AIDS
and Hepatitus C because they weren't sterilizing colonoscopy equipment
properly? And, that's a hospital. Who is responsible for health threats in
a public hot tub? Some janitor? Think about it.

That's a hoot coming from the guy that dumps his pee and poop in the Largo
anchorage. You really are a piece of work.