I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco

Dear joe if those are an example what you call giant or monster waves
please stay in port with Bruce, Willbur et al.

From where I come from those conditions are considered, snotty and
uncomfortable but certainly not M O N S T E R........ But being from
the oil patch i guess its all relative. I think its time you took a
god look around and see what other people are doing........ I think
you might just learn somthing.

Good luck,
Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
...
I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco


Bwahahahahhahahahahh! I thought that one was a riot, too. It's as if he were
being facetious or something but he was dead serious. He clearly has never
experienced a real 25 foot sea on a small sailing yacht. I have, and they
are NOTHING like the 'chop' in that video. I've sailed in the Gulf Steam
many a time during small craft advisories during cold front passages just to
see what it was all about. I've sailed such big seas out there that
close-by, large bulk carriers were completely lost from view behind 25-30
foot seas which were heaped up because of the north set of the Stream. No
picnic but doable. Certainly nothing to abandon ship about.



Dear joe if those are an example what you call giant or monster waves
please stay in port with Bruce, Willbur et al.



Hey, that's uncalled for comparing Joe's fraidy-cat ineptitude with my
sailing skills. I've sailed more ocean miles than Joe and have taken little
ole fifteen foot, cold front generated seas in stride. No one ever saw me
claiming 10-15 footers were 25-footers. No one ever heard a call from me on
the VHF crying like a baby and requesting a helicopter rescue.


From where I come from those conditions are considered, snotty and
uncomfortable but certainly not M O N S T E R........ But being from
the oil patch i guess its all relative. I think its time you took a
god look around and see what other people are doing........ I think
you might just learn somthing.

Good luck,
Bob


Joe needs to get his eyes checked and he needs to understand that viewing a
10-15 foot sea from his pilot house when the bow is facing the trough gives
a very misleading estimate of wave height. The senses end up giving one a
false horizontal where the size of the wave becomes exaggerated by a factor
of two. But, every actual seaman knows this. This is why I say that Joe is
no seaman.


Wilbur Hubbard

Hey, that's uncalled for comparing Joe's fraidy-cat ineptitude with my
sailing skills.
Wilbur Hubbard

My greatest apologies my able sailor. I spoke with out due
consideration.
Bob

On Jan 3, 11:53*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, *GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco

Bwahahahahhahahahahh! I thought that one was a riot, too. It's as if he were
being facetious or something but he was dead serious. He clearly has never
experienced a real 25 foot sea on a small sailing yacht. I have, and they
are NOTHING like the 'chop' in that video.

You have not sailed anywhere but a back woods mangrove swamp at best.

Here is 11 ft seas Nellie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AGQZtsvM

The title "Giant Monster Waves" was used to attract non sailors like
you and bOb who need to live vicariously thru real sailors. Much like
you now worship and follow little Jessica.

I know it's hard for lubbers like you and your puppets to understand,
take a look at this vid, running 30 ft but don't look like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8hOai9hGQ

Joe


Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:49:10 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

I know it's hard for lubbers like you and your puppets to understand,
take a look at this vid, running 30 ft but don't look like it.

You can make anything look like anything if you are a good
photographer. That is why there is money in the business. In the
summer there is a scarcity of waves in the North Atlantic. Biggest
on one crossing were said to be fifteen feet. From the bar, the one
above the wheelhouse, they looked like nothing. There was no roll
whatever, but you could feel the up and down and see the pitching.

Casady

On Jan 4, 8:55*am, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:49:10 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:





On Jan 3, 11:53*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

....

I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, *GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco

Bwahahahahhahahahahh! I thought that one was a riot, too. It's as if he were
being facetious or something but he was dead serious. He clearly has never
experienced a real 25 foot sea on a small sailing yacht. I have, and they
are NOTHING like the 'chop' in that video.

You have not sailed anywhere but a back woods mangrove swamp at best.

Here is 11 ft seas Nellie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AGQZtsvM

Wouldn't 11 foot seas be somewhat higher than the cabin top?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes,

We had 11 fters for 4-5 days out of the NE. Again it's hard to
determine wave height from video's but thats what they were. They were
spaced a good 100 ft, it's not like they were splashing over the
wheelhouse, more like a slow rise and fall, a nice ride infact.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:55 am, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:49:10 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:





On Jan 3, 11:53 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco

Bwahahahahhahahahahh! I thought that one was a riot, too. It's as if he
were
being facetious or something but he was dead serious. He clearly has
never
experienced a real 25 foot sea on a small sailing yacht. I have, and
they
are NOTHING like the 'chop' in that video.

You have not sailed anywhere but a back woods mangrove swamp at best.

Here is 11 ft seas Nellie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AGQZtsvM

Wouldn't 11 foot seas be somewhat higher than the cabin top?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes,

We had 11 fters for 4-5 days out of the NE. Again it's hard to
determine wave height from video's but thats what they were. They were
spaced a good 100 ft, it's not like they were splashing over the
wheelhouse, more like a slow rise and fall, a nice ride infact.

Joe




Joe,

I think I understand your plight in that you constantly overestimate wave
size.

It's because all your adult life you've been telling Terry this:

----------------------- is six inches.


Bwahahhahahahahahhahaha.


Wilbur Hubbard

In article s.com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:


Yes,

We had 11 fters for 4-5 days out of the NE. Again it's hard to
determine wave height from video's but thats what they were. They were
spaced a good 100 ft, it's not like they were splashing over the
wheelhouse, more like a slow rise and fall, a nice ride infact.

Joe




Joe,

I think I understand your plight in that you constantly overestimate wave
size.

It's because all your adult life you've been telling Terry this:

----------------------- is six inches.


Bwahahhahahahahahhahaha.


Wilbur Hubbard

Those aren't waves, more like just a bit of "chop"... If you want to see
REAL Waves, come on up to the North Pacific, during Crab Season, in the
winter.... them is REAL WAVES... they Start at 20 ft and go on up to 40
- 60 Ft, and start with 50 Kt breezes and on up to 120 Kt Gales....
You know your in one when the Snow is blowing UP, and the Engine Governor
is trying to keep up with the Prop, coming out of the water, as each
wave passes.... You fair weather mariners are a hoot to read......

--
Bruce in alaska
add path after fast to reply

On Jan 4, 10:58*am, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:29:16 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:





On Jan 4, 8:55 am, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:49:10 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

On Jan 3, 11:53 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco

Bwahahahahhahahahahh! I thought that one was a riot, too. It's as if he were
being facetious or something but he was dead serious. He clearly has never
experienced a real 25 foot sea on a small sailing yacht. I have, and they
are NOTHING like the 'chop' in that video.

You have not sailed anywhere but a back woods mangrove swamp at best.

Here is 11 ft seas Nellie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AGQZtsvM

Wouldn't 11 foot seas be somewhat higher than the cabin top?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes,

We had 11 fters for 4-5 days out of the NE. Again it's hard to
determine wave height from video's but thats what they were. They were
spaced a good 100 ft, it's not like they were splashing over the
wheelhouse, more like a slow rise and fall, a nice ride infact.

Joe

Oh... ocean swells. That makes more sense. We get that on calm days
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Not the same.

From Wikipeda: (taken from Boditch most likely)

When directly being generated and affected by the local winds, a wind
wave system is called a wind sea. After the wind ceases to blow, wind
waves are called swell. Or, more generally, a swell consists of wind
generated waves that are not — or hardly — affected by the local wind
at the same moment. They have been generated elsewhere, or some time
ago.[1] Wind waves in the ocean are called ocean surface waves.

****************
Since they were from the NE with onl;y 5-600 miles fetch it precludes
any "ocean swell". If they were swells they would have been Gulf
Swells, but I contend they were "Wind waves"

Joe

On Jan 8, 9:03*am, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:37:05 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:





On Jan 4, 10:58 am, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:29:16 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

On Jan 4, 8:55 am, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:49:10 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

On Jan 3, 11:53 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message

...

I looked at the other compelling videos JoeS Butcher posted on
youtoub.

The one that really gave me a laugh was the one Joe titled, GIANT
MONSTER WAVES !

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSButc.../1/EomTf3hczco

Bwahahahahhahahahahh! I thought that one was a riot, too. It's as if he were
being facetious or something but he was dead serious. He clearly has never
experienced a real 25 foot sea on a small sailing yacht. I have, and they
are NOTHING like the 'chop' in that video.

You have not sailed anywhere but a back woods mangrove swamp at best.

Here is 11 ft seas Nellie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AGQZtsvM

Wouldn't 11 foot seas be somewhat higher than the cabin top?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes,

We had 11 fters for 4-5 days out of the NE. Again it's hard to
determine wave height from video's but thats what they were. They were
spaced a good 100 ft, it's not like they were splashing over the
wheelhouse, more like a slow rise and fall, a nice ride infact.

Joe

Oh... ocean swells. That makes more sense. We get that on calm days
anywhere outside the protection of Long Island Sound.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not the same.

From Wikipeda: (taken from Boditch most likely)

When directly being generated and affected by the local winds, a wind
wave system is called a wind sea. After the wind ceases to blow, wind
waves are called swell. Or, more generally, a swell consists of wind
generated waves that are not or hardly affected by the local wind
at the same moment. They have been generated elsewhere, or some time
ago.[1] Wind waves in the ocean are called ocean surface waves.

****************
Since they were from the NE with onl;y 5-600 miles fetch it precludes
any "ocean swell". If they were swells they would have been Gulf
Swells, but I contend they were *"Wind waves"

Joe

There wasn't enough local wind to make 11 foot waves, Joe.

in this video? Thats what were talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AGQZtsvM

20-30 kts for 4-5 days is not enough wind to make 11 fter's in 12,000
ft of water?



Wind waves would have been steeper, and closer together, too.

Why?

Joe



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