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sailing junk
On Feb 25, 4:56 am, Bruce in Bangkok decypher-
wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:50:29 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll wrote: Ive got the wood milling for a sampan that i scaled up to thirty feet. going to build it as a study for a 50'X16' or so foot junk. traditional building methods and all that. but i need some info from cruisers about layout as i draft the plans. Ive spent most of my life on work boats and have no real clue as to what a comfortable house layout would be. yes i know there is a building group but most of the folks there are not cruising over long distances. so here is the list of stuff i am working on. Ive got a relatively large amount of space to play with, excluding a center hold of about 15 by 15. I figure a small forepeak trunk for visitors and a gen set. engine, batteries etc. under benches and behind ladders 1. food storage. 2.galley lay out. 3. salon layout. 4.head 5. state room lay out. what accommodation plans for which boats do you find easy to use, comfortable, logical and easy to maintain. You are using two terms that are totally different. Sampans and Junks are totally different.. Different hull form and different construction entirely. From your description I suspect that you are talking about a junk as a sampan is pretty much a flat bottomed rowing skiff. As a Junk has a nearly square hull cross section there is an amazing amount of room in them compared to a conventional western sail boat. They are also slower :-) The living space on a real junk is almost always in the stern, amidships is hold and forward is not much more then a cubby. A friend designed the interior of his boat using a sliding scale based on how much time he spent in a spot to calculate the size. He reckoned that he spent very little time in the Head so it was just big enough to back in and squat. He only slept in the sleeping compartment so it was only slightly larger then the bunk. His wife really liked to cook so there was a fairly large galley and finally they reckoned that they spent most of their time in the salon so it had the most room. I was aboard his boat any number of times and it did seem pretty spacious for a 38 ft. boat. Food storage. If you plan to live aboard you probably want a fridge. There are two basic systems Electric (12 VDC) driven and engine driven. You can have a eutectic system with either type of power but a conventional refrigerator will be electric. My air cooled condenser 12 VDC fridge draws about 5 amps when the compressor runs and it runs about half eh time - say 60 AH/day. More modern ones use appreciably less electricity. An engine driven one will require running the engine at least once a day and sometimes more often but if you are anchored out you will probably run your engine regularly to keep the batteries up anyway. Or have a bunch of solar panels. Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Actually i am talking about two different boats here and i am very well aware of the differences between the hull forms. the sampan is to use the traditional building methods before i build a fifty foot junk. planks with floors and bulkheads are not like the western skeleton with planks, the whole mind set and assumption base is different. however both sampans and junks are built with the same methods. building with the traditional methods is what i do. yep i like house aft boats. part of the below decks area froward is for machinery. gen set, water maker, the noisy stuff. with a small accommodation for guests or kids.partially trunked. LOL everyone i show the plans to tells me that junks are slow and don't go to the wind as well as western boats. I don't want a race boat i want a cruising boat. more important to me is the comfort and distance capability, might take me longer to arrive but i can have a nice ride. I figure the junk will be my last boat and its gotta travel well for long transits. that sliding scale sounds like a good idea got the electrical covered it will be 12 volt solar/wind with a generator backup. I am going to put electric moters in this so i will have two battery banks. one for house and bridge power and one for propulsion with a crossover just in case. Ahh the cargo hold. it will be able to be pumped full of water when the boat is running lite with no cargo or fishing; and dry when i need to transport bulk cargo. it will be able to take 22 full pallets of goods with room for dunnage or be hand stacked to get more cargo in. in my mind a boat must be able to pay her own way and normally this means hauling goods be they fish or dry to other places. since i figure we will be running up north i can make a bit of cash on bulk cargo for friends in the more remote villages ( i have already researched this option and spoken to many folks about this plan and most have agreed that if i offered this service i would have as much if not more work than i can handle). 22 pallets of box milk is a very valuable cargo in the chain since liquids cost dearly to fly. sides cargo holds make great playpens. |
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