On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:50:29 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote:

Ive got the wood milling for a sampan that i scaled up to thirty feet.
going to build it as a study for a 50'X16' or so foot junk.
traditional building methods and all that. but i need some info from
cruisers
about layout as i draft the plans.
Ive spent most of my life on work boats and have no real clue as to
what a comfortable house layout would be. yes i know there is a
building group but most of the folks there are not cruising over long
distances.

so here is the list of stuff i am working on.
Ive got a relatively large amount of space to play with, excluding a
center hold of about 15 by 15.
I figure a small forepeak trunk for visitors and a gen set. engine,
batteries etc. under benches and behind ladders


1. food storage.
2.galley lay out.
3. salon layout.
4.head
5. state room lay out.

what accommodation plans for which boats do you find easy to use,
comfortable, logical and easy to maintain.

You are using two terms that are totally different. Sampans and Junks
are totally different.. Different hull form and different construction
entirely. From your description I suspect that you are talking about a
junk as a sampan is pretty much a flat bottomed rowing skiff.

As a Junk has a nearly square hull cross section there is an amazing
amount of room in them compared to a conventional western sail boat.
They are also slower :-) The living space on a real junk is almost
always in the stern, amidships is hold and forward is not much more
then a cubby.

A friend designed the interior of his boat using a sliding scale based
on how much time he spent in a spot to calculate the size.

He reckoned that he spent very little time in the Head so it was just
big enough to back in and squat. He only slept in the sleeping
compartment so it was only slightly larger then the bunk. His wife
really liked to cook so there was a fairly large galley and finally
they reckoned that they spent most of their time in the salon so it
had the most room.

I was aboard his boat any number of times and it did seem pretty
spacious for a 38 ft. boat.

Food storage. If you plan to live aboard you probably want a fridge.
There are two basic systems Electric (12 VDC) driven and engine
driven. You can have a eutectic system with either type of power but
a conventional refrigerator will be electric. My air cooled condenser
12 VDC fridge draws about 5 amps when the compressor runs and it runs
about half eh time - say 60 AH/day. More modern ones use appreciably
less electricity. An engine driven one will require running the engine
at least once a day and sometimes more often but if you are anchored
out you will probably run your engine regularly to keep the batteries
up anyway. Or have a bunch of solar panels.

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.


You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

On Feb 25, 1:01*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?
Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

Joe

On Feb 25, 1:38*pm, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01*pm, Two meter troll wrote:





On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?
Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

*Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

*I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

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Forgot to mention, Junks are slow, not that slow is bad all the time,
just fast is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2AG...e=channel_page

Joe

On Feb 25, 1:58*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:55:10 -0800 (PST), Joe





wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:38*pm, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01*pm, Two meter troll wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?
Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

*Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

*I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

Joe- Hide quoted text -

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Forgot to mention, Junks are slow, not that slow is bad all the time,
just fast is better.

Junks are known for their seaworthiness. They tend to reach their
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Hi Mike,

Yes they are, I checked out many in Hong Kong back in the 80's. Most
were over a hundred years old.
Very sturdy, first ever to incorporate water tight compartments.

Have you heard of Khan's lost fleet?

Joe

On Feb 25, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:
On Feb 25, 1:01 pm, Two meter troll wrote:



On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?

probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to
remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry
bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years.

Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the
little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector
expects a bit of ba-keesh.

Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo. i would rather not have
my cargo ripped apart at every stop. and i don't want a whole passel
of mutts on my boat.

Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.

I like building boats this one will be number 7 and the third of over
30 feet.

I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

http://www.chrisdixonstudios.com/hcs...reenwidth=1024

If you build, will it be steel?

not if i am sane.
wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically

Do you have a boat now?
yep 3 and more i can lay my hands to. two of those are 28 and 30 foot
skin on frame student boats.

I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration
OBC and streamer.


Joe

On Feb 25, 2:49*pm, Two meter troll wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:38 am, Joe wrote:





On Feb 25, 1:01 pm, Two meter troll wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:49 am, "Leanne" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:56:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you doing with the cargo hold?

Heh, good question.

You're not going into coffee shipping, are you???

Leanne

naa that cargo is not worth transporting by boat its cheaper to fly.
the things i am thinking of hauling are durable and costly to fly. I
might make less money but i wont have to deal with the authorities
trying to shoot me out of the water.

all in all a good trade.

*Are you going to be hauling cargo for hire? Or just trading stuff on
the sly?

probably a bit of both if on the sly you mean taking cargo up to
remote places in the arctic for friends that dont have boats to carry
bulk goods from the lower 48. ive done that for years.

Thats perfectly legal. Alaska is America. Good plan

Have you ever taken a cargo boat with stuff in i'ts hold into another
country?

yep its not to bad as long as you go point to point. stopping in the
little ports coast hopping is a good way to go broke. Every inspector
expects a bit of ba-keesh.

Indeed, stopping anywhere you can expect to toss some lan-yap


Coffee is a very durable cargo green. You can carry alot in a very
small space.
20'x8'x8'6" can carry around 50,000 lbs or 40'x8'x8'6" can carry 100
thousand.

however Coffee is also a drug smugglers cargo.

I have not heard that. Can you poimt to an example of that? True C.A.
is full of drug dealers, and thats the closest source of beans, but
ive never heard of that. Someone trying to smuggle an ounce on the
boat in a coffee can maybe

i would rather not have
my cargo ripped apart at every stop. and i don't want a whole passel
of mutts on my boat.

Well if you stay in the US and haul for friends you should not have
any problems what so ever.



*Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.

I like building boats this one will be number 7 and the third of over
30 feet.

I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

http://www.chrisdixonstudios.com/hcs...s/gallery.php?...

If you build, will it be steel?

not if i am sane.
*wood Doug fir, myrtle wood and PO cedar specifically

Ok traditional junk-50 ft= 25 acres of lumber..But the value of the
junks in china is the old growth mahogany and teak.

Do you have a boat now?

yep 3 and more i can lay my hands to. two of those are 28 and 30 foot
skin on frame student boats.



*I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?

King crabbing, salmon trolling, Cargo, tendering and oil exploration
OBC and streamer.

buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Joe




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"Joe" wrote in message
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Good luck on the Junk, I would love to have one, but feel they are
more suited for near coastal and harbor work.
I'd consider Kawlon Harbor and buying vs building new...go with a ming
dynasty design.

If you build, will it be steel?
Do you have a boat now?

I saw you mentioned Work boats, what type of work?


You could have used some luck, yourself, with your junk (Red Cloud).

Wilbur Hubbard