Why, it is E.Coli from fresh vegetables. For two million years, humans have
been eating fresh vegetables and finally we learn we can die from it.

What incredible stuff one can find out about on the Internet.

http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135

btw, here what the FDA has to say about E.Coli. Not that the most susiptble
are the very young and the elderly, which of course is most cruising sailors
out there.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap15.html

Yup!
For milllions of years humankind would wash all their food and wash
their hands before eating.
Ever notice how many people wash their hands at a public toilet? ....
virtually none.

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Why, it is E.Coli from fresh vegetables. For two million years, humans have
been eating fresh vegetables and finally we learn we can die from it.

What incredible stuff one can find out about on the Internet.

http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135

btw, here what the FDA has to say about E.Coli. Not that the most susiptble
are the very young and the elderly, which of course is most cruising sailors
out there.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap15.html

And people simply didn't eat fresh greens or uncooked veggies in third
world countries. Nothing has changed in that area. Why would people
think things have changed? More intelligence on Earth?

Rich Hampel wrote:

Yup!
For milllions of years humankind would wash all their food and wash
their hands before eating.
Ever notice how many people wash their hands at a public toilet? ....
virtually none.

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:


Why, it is E.Coli from fresh vegetables. For two million years, humans have
been eating fresh vegetables and finally we learn we can die from it.

What incredible stuff one can find out about on the Internet.

http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135

btw, here what the FDA has to say about E.Coli. Not that the most susiptble
are the very young and the elderly, which of course is most cruising sailors
out there.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap15.html

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The SPAM finally got to me. Remove "-sorry-" from my address to reply
directly.

E.Coli is part of the natural flora of the human digestive tract. That is
why it is used as an indicator of human polution in water. Vegies that
have E. Coli in them is a result of countries that use human waste
as fertilizer. It is only when one gets a massive dose that the body
can't handle then one gets sick. I suspect that some sub-strains exists
as well that are more aggressive.

Doug
s/v Callista

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Why, it is E.Coli from fresh vegetables. For two million years, humans
have
been eating fresh vegetables and finally we learn we can die from it.

What incredible stuff one can find out about on the Internet.

http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135

btw, here what the FDA has to say about E.Coli. Not that the most
susiptble
are the very young and the elderly, which of course is most cruising
sailors
out there.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap15.html

And people simply didn't eat fresh greens or uncooked veggies in third
world countries. Nothing has changed in that area. Why would people
think things have changed? More intelligence on Earth?

The last nomads in southern Africa (later 1960's, early 1970's) were known to
eat upwards of 300 difference species of plants, and 60 species of animals,
without health problems associated with nutrition. By mid 1990's, they were
"domesticated" and eating about 7 species of plants and 4 or 5 species of
animals, and did indeed have nutritional associated health problems.

On 17 Jun 2004 02:52:40 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

And people simply didn't eat fresh greens or uncooked veggies in third
world countries. Nothing has changed in that area. Why would people
think things have changed? More intelligence on Earth?

The last nomads in southern Africa (later 1960's, early 1970's) were known to
eat upwards of 300 difference species of plants, and 60 species of animals,
without health problems associated with nutrition. By mid 1990's, they were
"domesticated" and eating about 7 species of plants and 4 or 5 species of
animals, and did indeed have nutritional associated health problems.

That sounds like a loaded observation. Were they (the nomads) suddendly
clustered together. Any refs re your comments?
Norm B

That sounds like a loaded observation. Were they (the nomads) suddendly
clustered together. Any refs re your comments?

I read an article on the day the psychotic computer HAL was born (January 19,
1996?) in Urbana ILL [grin]. the article was written by a man who did his PhD
on those nomads in 1968(?) and who returned to study them again in the mid
1990's. Much had changed, including the food habits, including the effort
worked each day for food (from about 3 hours a day as hunter/gatherers to 8
hours a day working in civilization).

Patron: Gimme a sandwich. Waiter: Mad cow beef, mercury fish or salmonella
chicken? Patron: err maybe a salad instead. OK pesticide or hepatitis?
Never mind, just water please. Processed sewage or farm runoff? ....

The E.Coli in our digestive tracts is not the
same as the one or more that can make
you dreadfully sick. You might say they
just share the first name of a long name sequence. It is not easily washed
away
and food that has it would have to be boiled for a while before the bacteria
would
be killed.
A 'massive dose' in the world of microbiology can be an amount that you
could fit on the head of a pin. Luckily,
it is not that common. Outbreaks can
be controlled if health authorities investigate and act to control the source.
In absence of that, use good judgement
and eat only food that you know has not
made others sick. (cruiser rule # 4329)

E. Coli is not much of a problem in the US where vegetables are grown
with chemical fertilizer. A fresh water rinse is usually all that is
needed. Because we are rarely exposed to it, our immune systems have
lost much of our ability to fight E. Coli infections. OTOH, Many smaller
countries where cruisers may shop for produce use manure, both animal
and human for fertilizer. The locals have developed a tollerance for it
but it is ALWAYS a good idea to rinse veggies purchased in third world
markets in a dilute solution of chlorine bleach and water. It is
standard practice among many long distance cruisers.

JAXAshby wrote:
Why, it is E.Coli from fresh vegetables. For two million years, humans have
been eating fresh vegetables and finally we learn we can die from it.

What incredible stuff one can find out about on the Internet.

http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135

btw, here what the FDA has to say about E.Coli. Not that the most susiptble
are the very young and the elderly, which of course is most cruising sailors
out there.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap15.html

--
Glenn Ashmore

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