(JAXAshby) wrote:

I have not seen any cites that say that cruising sailors have been
killed.


http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135

http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...0135#479100135
talks mostly about food safety. And most of the food safety stuff is
normal stuff like cans with botulism. The business about washing
stuff in bleach that has been fertilized with human waste was
something that we did in 1950 when visiting Germany, which isn't
usually thought of as a third world country although it was still
recovering from WWII of course. Hardly new information even if the
E.coli strain that's around now is new.


grandma Rosalie

Just to save someone alot of cutting&pasting or Ctrl'ing Cing &
Ctrl'ing Ving, I'll be re-adjusting to reading only and will be sorta
busy anyway in the upcoming days with a chilli-cook-off here in sunny
SoCa so may not have time for quite awhile actually!
Cheers, and a nice day to all, yes, including you too (the nuns taught
me to be nice to everyone - god bless their forgiving souls)

Karen
PS you can read more of my dribble at the Lats & Atts board too btw!


Stephen Trapani wrote in message ...
JAXAshby wrote:

Raw milk was the vehicle in a school outbreak in Canada.


it is illegal to sell raw milk in Canada or the US of A or any European country
or most any other country on the planet. Pasteurization has been the
recommended, later required, norm for milk since the 19th century.

Actually it's legal to sell raw milk in both Canada and the U.S. but the
dairy and product are subjected to special raw mild standards, which
btw, dictates much more cleanliness and expense.

See:

http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html#can

(first Google hit for "raw milk")

Stephen

Interesting thread.
My opinions/observations for what they are worth...
Food hygene is a personal issue, and everyone has their
own threshold. Me? Yes, I wash my hands several times
a day...mainly to reduce the chance of getting the flu and colds.
Seems to work.

Produce? Yep, I at least rinse it...mainly to get rid of as much
pesticides as possible. Does it work? Who knows.. Do I eat
salad in far away destinations? No. Do I drink the water? Not
if I can get bottled water. Should I remain tied to the dock
because my opinion of what's safe for me is different from
the opinion of others? I don't think so. I'll do what I have to do,
and expect you to do the same...

As regards E. Coli, I thought the bad bugs (which were
responsible for the fast-food outbreaks) were due to bovine
fecal matter....not human. A book titled "Germs, Steel and Guns"
(I think that's the title)
suggests that when people started forming communities, illness
wiped out a lot of them. The cause seemed to be that instead of
people and animals being separated in the open, during their
nomadic days, they now were all bunched up to the point of
sleeping in common areas with their farm animals and each other.
No one knew that cleaning the pens, and a bit of separation was a
good thing. It wasn't the only cause of death by any means,
but it contributed,and still does today.
As been pointed out by others, E.Coli is a moderate risk, absent
any other factors...age being the most common. Do we know for
a certainity we don't have any other factors on a given day? Of
course not, but we shouldn't worry about it....we'd drive ourselves nuts.
As for me..I'll avoid exposure if possible...I don't
enjoy getting sick just to prove I can eat tainted foods and survive.

I think a large degree of risk depends on what your system
is used to. When I was a kid growing up in Colorado, we
all would flop down on our belly and drink from rivers,
creeks, irrigation ditches, etc. (some of which ran through the
town dump), and never seemed to suffer ill effects.
I'm sure if I did that now..I'd die..lol

It's commonly said that people who come to the USA have
stomach problems for a few weeks, just as we do when we
visit their country.

One point we all should remember is that what's OK for one
person may not be for another, so advice in a public forum
should be qualified, and on the cautious side.
Plus, a sample of one does not a trend make...just because
my buddy John eats a bug and dies a horrible death doesn't
mean that all who eat a bug are going to die too.

Then, sometimes, people draw funny conclusions. A co-worker
reasoned that since oil/tar/etc was organic, those things should
be safe to eat., and not harmful in the least.
To prove the point, he ate an orange with *very* greasy hands, and said,
"See?" Of course he didn't die, but he spent more time in the head
during the next several hours than he normally would in a month.
And the belly-ache was nothing to sneeze at either, according to
him.

I can't believe I've rambled so much...I need to get on the water!
Norm B

In article JRCAc.10008$cj3.3167@lakeread01, wrote:


JAXAshby wrote:

did anyone bother to read the information from the Centers for Disease
Control?
THAT stated e. coli can be a problem almost exclusively with the elderly
and/or very young children (can you say "compromised immune system?), and
even
then in the context of fresh vegetables only with lettuce.

Anyone afraid of lettuce should never untie their dock lines.

Death is not the problem but Montezuma will get his revenge. Good thing
there are few NDZs in third world countries. :-)


Anyone interested in some IN-DEPTH information about the disease producing
strain of E. coli known as "E. coli O157:H7" can learn all that is necessary
to protect yourself from:

http://people.ku.edu/~jbrown/ecoli.html

Anyone afraid of lettuce should never untie their dock lines.

Death is not the problem but Montezuma will get his revenge. Good thing
there are few NDZs in third world countries.

for ***very young children and the elderly*** (compromised immune system),
eating lettuce maybe.

Anyone interested in some IN-DEPTH information about the disease producing
strain of E. coli known as "E. coli O157:H7" can learn all that is necessary
to protect yourself from:

http://people.ku.edu/~jbrown/ecoli.html


somehow it seems to missed the recommendation that all vegetables be sprayed
first with Clorox bleach and then hydrogen peroxide then washed before eating.

grandma, I was being facetious.

anyone worrying about lettuce should never leave the dock.

I have not seen any cites that say that cruising sailors have been
killed.


http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...016594&f=99560
83605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135


http://takehersailingboard.infopop.c...6016594&f=9956
083605&m=630105035&r=479100135#479100135
talks mostly about food safety. And most of the food safety stuff is
normal stuff like cans with botulism. The business about washing
stuff in bleach that has been fertilized with human waste was
something that we did in 1950 when visiting Germany, which isn't
usually thought of as a third world country although it was still
recovering from WWII of course. Hardly new information even if the
E.coli strain that's around now is new.


grandma Rosalie

okay, jeffies, let's state it this way. It is illegal to sell unpastuerized
milk in interstate commerce.

feel better now?

the yo-yo -- without asking his wife's permission -- wrote thusly:

Unpasteurized milk might be a bad idea, but it isn't strictly illegal. Once
again, Jaxie is just making it up as he goes along:
http://www.magma.ca/~ca/rawmilk/survey.htm

Maine, along with other states, permits the sale of unpasteurized milk as
long
as it is handled properly and labeled. Other states allow sale from small
farms
(a few cows) and some allow joint ownership of producing cows.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Raw milk was the vehicle in a school outbreak in Canada.

it is illegal to sell raw milk in Canada or the US of A or any European
country
or most any other country on the planet. Pasteurization has been the
recommended, later required, norm for milk since the 19th century.

people terrified by the thoughts of painful illnesses lurking under every
lettuce leaf or alfalfa spout they might come across unless they spray
household bleach and then household hydrogen peroxide on the food first
should
never go sailing.

cruising sailors die of skin cancer and cigarette smoking and clogged
arteries
due to high fat foods/too many calories and chronic excess alcohol intake
and
stepping of sharp rocks and bullet wounds from jealous spouses.

"sweating the small stuff" is an absolute indicator one in so far in over
one's
head that one should seek the council of his/her clergy.

There are several farms near where I live in Connecticut that sell raw
milk. Completely legal.


not for interstate commerce.

btw bb, are you trying to say that *YOU* are so scared of leaving the dock that
*YOU* are worried to death about becoming elderly and infirm at some distant
port and _then_ getting the runs for lettuce you didn't first bleach with
laundry the hell out and then -- for good measure -- bleach the hell out of it
a second time with hydrogen peroxide?

Buuuuuuuuuuuut, you ARe willing to gladly drink unpasteurized milk??????????

Karen
PS you can read more of my dribble at the Lats & Atts board too btw!

says it all, doesn't it. Frightened of eating lettuce but proudly proclaims to
be posting on the Scooter Trash board.