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Spoken like a good liberal. There is a huge difference between effort and
accomplishment in case you've forgotten the obvious. I am not belittling
Zac's effort. I am belittling his accomplishment because, by accepting a
tow, his accomplishment is NOT what he's claiming it to be. He's a fraud
and a liar!

It's that simple. We realists still believe that accomplishment counts
and effort is something any old fool can direct or misdirect. Only when
the effort results in accomplishing the stated goal is effort worth
anything. Get it? Effort and failure is failure. Effort and success is
success. In other words effort has NO meaning as a stand alone process
other than being a starting point.


Wilbur Hubbard


Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings during
his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all! Except
that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests to their
point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might as
well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the California
marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world back to that
very starting point then sail back in and he would then have sailed alone
around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all!
Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests
to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world
back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have
sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted
the tow and then continue around the world on his own.

KLC Lewis wrote:

[About "Wilbur Hubbard"]

You missed my point.

No he didn't, he's just a pathetic trolling **** who doesn't have the
balls to sail a boat.

The problem for trolls is that give away too much about themselves,
their prejudices and their fears when they post. And by that it's easy
to see what pathetic nobodies they are.

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at
all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his
guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world
back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have
sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he
accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious that
unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing around
the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the voyage
and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your voyage unless
and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own motive power.
This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would claim otherwise.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at
all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his
guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the
world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would
then have sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he
accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious
that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing
around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the
voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your
voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own
motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would
claim otherwise.

Wilbur Hubbard




Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at
which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing chunk.

Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he
would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era.

I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:08:30 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at
all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his
guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the
world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would
then have sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he
accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious
that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing
around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of the
voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your
voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own
motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would
claim otherwise.

Wilbur Hubbard




Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at
which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing chunk.

Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he
would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era.

I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish.



He's not obtuse....he's stupid!

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at
all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his
guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as
an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow
began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he
was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any
reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac
might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the
world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would
then have sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he
accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious
that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing
around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of
the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your
voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own
motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would
claim otherwise.

Wilbur Hubbard




Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at
which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing
chunk.

Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he
would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era.

I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish.

It's a good thing you threw in the towel because I was about to hit you with
the big guns.

Using your idiotic premise, instead of placing those waypoints two miles out
in the ocean from the port lets place them 2,000 miles out in the ocean.
Then let's tow the boat back and forth from port to these 2,000 mile out in
the ocean waypoints which amount to a small circle of waypoints
approximately 2,000 miles in diameter. You seem to be claiming that if one
sails around this 2,000 mile diameter circle while getting towed into and
out of port two thousand miles at a time when you feel like getting a steak
or watching a movie or when you get tired of sailing as long as you sail the
circle you have sailed around the world alone.

Duh! Double Duh!!

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at
all! Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his
guests to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as
an accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow
began before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he
was attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any
reason.

Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac
might as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the
world back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would
then have sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard

You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he
accepted the tow and then continue around the world on his own.

All I did is reverse the tow and the sail making it ludicrously obvious
that unless one sails the whole way around the world one is not sailing
around the world. You can't snip out a chunk here and a chunk there of
the voyage and claim those chunks don't count. You haven't completed your
voyage unless and until you go the entire way by yourself under your own
motive power. This is so obvious. Only other cheaters and shirklaws would
claim otherwise.

Wilbur Hubbard



Methinks you are being deliberately obtuse. If one returns to the point at
which the tow began before continuing the voyage, there is no missing
chunk.

Oh, and in Captain Slocum's day, an engine meant steam power. I think he
would have installed a diesel if they had been available in his era.

I'm done with this this one. Fire away if you wish.

It's a good thing you threw in the towel because I was about to hit you with
the big guns.

Using your idiotic premise, instead of placing those waypoints two miles out
in the ocean from the port lets place them 2,000 miles out in the ocean.
Then let's tow the boat back and forth from port to these 2,000 mile out in
the ocean waypoints which amount to a small circle of waypoints
approximately 2,000 miles in diameter. You seem to be claiming that if one
sails around this 2,000 mile diameter circle while getting towed into and
out of port two thousand miles at a time when you feel like getting a steak
or watching a movie or when you get tired of sailing as long as you sail the
circle you have sailed around the world alone.

Duh! Double Duh!!

Wilbur Hubbard



A true circumnavigation of the world must pass through two points
antipodean to each other.' Norris McWhirter, founding editor of
Guinness, 1971.

I don't give a damm if you get towed to point X wherever X is so long as
you then circumnavigate by the above definition, crossing your own
outward track after X on your return before getting another tow. That's
an unassisted circumnavigation if the round track from X to X was
unassisted. Its only commercial interests that force a record breaking
circumnavigation for example to start and finish in specific ports. Now
stuff that in your pipe and smoke it, Wilma.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:57:49 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Captain Joshua Slocum is credited as being the first man to sail solo
around the world. And yet he took passengers aboard for day outings
during his circumnavigation. Oh, my! He didn't really sail "solo" at all!
Except that he was careful to, if I recall correctly, return his guests
to their point of boarding before continuing his solo effort.

If Zac accepted a tow to get repairs, his effort will still count as an
accomplishment as long as he returns to the point where the tow began
before continuing his solo. It would only be terminated if he was
attempting a non-stop circumnavigation and had to stop for any reason.


Good Lord, Karin! Talk about bankrupt logic. Using your logic, Zac might
as well sail to a starting point two miles off the coast from the
California marina where he started. Then he can be towed around the world
back to that very starting point then sail back in and he would then have
sailed alone around the world.


Wilbur Hubbard


You missed my point. He would have to return to the point where he accepted
the tow and then continue around the world on his own.


No! No! You don't understand! Wilbur (the Sage of the Sailors) is
always right!

To paraphrase the poet, "yours not to question why, your's but to do
or die". You see, if you don't it will cause Willie's tiny ego to
crumble to dust and he will become a non-entity.

You wouldn't want that on your conscience.... would you?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)