Speaking of non-conventional..................
I have used spay paint to color epoxy to match the pieces being glued.
I just spayed into the mix and stirred it up until I got the desired color.

This was done as a cosmetic 'fix' so the repair would not be visible and it
is sandable without changing color.

Not a marine application, by the way.

Bill

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Jim Conlin ) writes:
Brian, we are being trolled.

Define "trolled". What you are reading may be non-conventional but that is
how progress is made. Many of the advances in boat design and construction
that have made their way into conventional big boat commercial shops came
from the non-conventional small boat projects of amateurs.


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Most progress is made by folks who have both an innovative idea and the
engineering skills and material resources to test it in a rigorous way.
Trolling includes asking fatuous questions like "Can i use dust bunnies instead of

fiberglass?".

"William R. Watt" wrote:

Jim Conlin ) writes:
Brian, we are being trolled.

Define "trolled". What you are reading may be non-conventional but that is
how progress is made. Many of the advances in boat design and construction
that have made their way into conventional big boat commercial shops came
from the non-conventional small boat projects of amateurs.

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'Troll" or innovator not withstanding,
'Sevin', like just about ALL plant or garden bug/disease 'preventatives' is
TOXIC. While supposedly of no great concern when applied AS it was DESIGNED
to be used, make it airborne as a very fine particulate and THAT is another
story !!

When you mix a fine powder like Talc, etc. into epoxy {etc.}some of it
becomes airborne. We've all experienced that 'little cloud' and thought
nothing of it. Some of it definitely gets inhaled . . . that's why you can
SMELL it. That's the first time.

Secondly, when you are grinding and/or sanding down those lumps, runs, &
fillets . . . you are getting a dose of a combination of particulates . . .
the epoxy, the glass {a 'benign' substance when a solid}, and whatever the
filler material is. Even if you use a mask . . . if you can smell it . . .
guess what that THAT means !?!

There's no reason why you can't 'experiment' with ANYTHING you want . . .
anybody remember how 'Silly Putty' started? Just think FIRST about beyond
the 'immediate' activity.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{Who STILL has ALL his fingers, toes, hair, etc. HOWEVER, many years ago my
Grandmother warned me about sitting on a cold, hard, marble floor. What she
foretold didn't happen that day, or the next week, or even the next year. It
happened THIS year !! }

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Jim Conlin ) writes:
Brian, we are being trolled.
SNIP

On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:46:47 -0700, Parallax wrote:

I appreciate all of this info. However, given the choice between
doing something right and doing it weird, I am unable to stop myself
and inevitably choose weird.

So you ask for advice to make sure what you want to do is is really
weird? If you want to do weird things why bother about smell?

Happened to have some copper dust from a previous experiment to make
antifouling that could be applied underwater (yes, it worked) so I

I have heard about a commercial Cu + epoxy antifouling so that's not
too weird.

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Jim Conlin ) writes:
Most progress is made by folks who have both an innovative idea and the
engineering skills and material resources to test it in a rigorous way.

I prefer the kind that start "We were stranded on an isolated island with
nothing but a box of paper clips and a forward hold full of dust bunnies" and
end "Twenty years later and it's never given us a hint of trouble."

I've been taking a bit of flack on the FreeNet for doubting the
advisability of some of the enhancements they've been adding, which have
subsequenlty lead to security problems on our home computers. My response
to "engineers", software and otherwise, is the engineer standing up to his
waist in floodwater seriously explaining how the dam could not possibly
fail.

Trolling includes asking fatuous questions like "Can i use dust bunnies instead of

fiberglass?".

I don't think that's trolling. Trolling is where you post a newsgroup
article for the sole purpose of seeing how many people respond.

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William R. Watt wrote:

Jim Conlin ) writes:

Brian, we are being trolled.


Define "trolled". What you are reading may be non-conventional but that is
how progress is made. Many of the advances in boat design and construction
that have made their way into conventional big boat commercial shops came
from the non-conventional small boat projects of amateurs.

I understand what you're saying and I realize that nearly anything
fibrous can be used as a thickner, but I think it's safe to say that
building a boat with epoxy mixed with insecticide powder goes well
beyond the definition of "non-conventional".

Maybe the next time I need to do some fillets, I'll thicken the epoxy
with Metamucil. It's got plenty of fiber and it should help to produce
fillets that are quite "smooth" and "regular". ;-)

William Watt says:

My response
to "engineers", software and otherwise, is the engineer standing up to his
waist in floodwater seriously explaining how the dam could not possibly
fail.

That was no engineer, that was a research scientist ;-P

Real engineers are the ones who say "Oh, bvgger! THe dam's bust. Now, how do
we fix that?"

Steve

Brian Nystrom writes:

Maybe the next time I need to do some fillets, I'll thicken the epoxy
with Metamucil. It's got plenty of fiber and it should help to produce
fillets that are quite "smooth" and "regular". ;-)

That would only work if the fillet were to be extruded. ;-

Steve "beyond the pale, probably..."

I eagerly await the results of the dust bunny longevity test and have marked my 2024
calendar.

"William R. Watt" wrote:

Jim Conlin ) writes:
Most progress is made by folks who have both an innovative idea and the
engineering skills and material resources to test it in a rigorous way.

I prefer the kind that start "We were stranded on an isolated island with
nothing but a box of paper clips and a forward hold full of dust bunnies" and
end "Twenty years later and it's never given us a hint of trouble."

I've been taking a bit of flack on the FreeNet for doubting the
advisability of some of the enhancements they've been adding, which have
subsequenlty lead to security problems on our home computers. My response
to "engineers", software and otherwise, is the engineer standing up to his
waist in floodwater seriously explaining how the dam could not possibly
fail.

Trolling includes asking fatuous questions like "Can i use dust bunnies instead of

fiberglass?".

I don't think that's trolling. Trolling is where you post a newsgroup
article for the sole purpose of seeing how many people respond.

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(William R. Watt) wrote in message ...
Brian Nystrom ) writes:

Is this supposed to be a joke? If not, remind me never to board a vessel
that you've built.

talc and flour are used as thickenres in resins. the problem with scented
talc is the smell released when sanding. urea formaldehyde adehsive
(plastic resin marine glue) is sold as a powder which includes either
wheat or rye flour as a thickener.

Every time I see these threads I just puke. Geeze guys, 6 bucks for a
bag of aerosil enough to do three to four small boats, this thread is
just rediculous...Scotty