Capt. JG wrote:
When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you
prioritize them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a
hard time explaining to my watchkeepers that the closest
is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

Not familiar with the term CPA.

Jeeze, Jon, how did you get that license? Did you take a course?
(must of just been 6-pak, not master) I could understand if someone
from FL didn't know it, but in your area, as well as mine, you should
take fog seriously.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you
prioritize them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a
hard time explaining to my watchkeepers that the closest
is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

Not familiar with the term CPA.

Jeeze, Jon, how did you get that license? Did you take a course? (must of
just been 6-pak, not master) I could understand if someone from FL didn't
know it, but in your area, as well as mine, you should take fog seriously.

Never saw closest point of approach abbreviated. Got the license in the
usual way... box of cereal, right?

Fog seriously? Naw, just the big ships in it.

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"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
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I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize
for my

part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations.
Sometimes the situation is not straightforward of course, and it
requires some quick thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that
we're in the midst of significant traffic with a number of different
types of vessels... anything from tankers going in both directions, even
three sometimes, to sailboats and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies
and human power boats, and even swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for
a particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another
boat coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about
the kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening
and that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.


Not familiar with the term CPA. Since this is a teaching situation, I try
not to get them into a situation that is going to be overwhelming. We
look at potential collision courses of the targets first, then I have
them sort out plans of action. You're right of course. Many times, it's
not the closest that one needs to be mindful of.. we also try and make an
assessment about the level of knowledge on the other boat. Sometimes it's
a shock when they do or don't do the right thing. :-)


Closest Point of Approach

Ahh... thanks. We don't do formal ones during the on-the-water class.
Eyeball only.

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Larry wrote:
Gary wrote in news44bf.417596$tl2.177416@pd7tw3no:


Narrow Channels--International



All this is great....if you're a ship from Le Havre. But, the jetski guy
has his South Carolina Dept of Natural Resources, Boater's Handbook. (The
guy on the sailboat probably doesn't have anything...and I'm serious.)
Whatever bureaucrats are in charge locally are the ones that set the rules
and bust them in the harbor and ICW. No boater safety course actually
teaches these International Rules.

So, the rules he goes by (assuming he goes by rules and is a nice guy with
family out for a PWC cruise, not some freak, which most of them really are
not) is the Boater's Handbook DNR handed him when he took his 2 sons to the
PWC training course DNR ran at the high school so the boys could get their
little DNR drivers permits. It says 50' from boats and docks and 200' from
marinas.

This nonsense of 8 layers of rule-making bureaucrats, all different in
every fiefdom you boat across, is REALLY STUPID!!



Naw, it's the only way to sentance young Johnny to a day or two of
trial and similar imprisonment or even fines for driving a jski like
a, well, you know.

Even just paying legal fees to not show up...

'snot worth a charter challenge, y'know?

To some the only real punishment possible is being kept waiting
beside the road for 20 minutes to sign for a ticket. Daddy's guy
pops a chzek, and I'm Bob's boy again!

But it gives an honest cop motivation to try to 'help' a few who
might just kill themselves if they don't get a good talking to,
possibly even to shoot a few suspects evading arrest.

Rule 1 in the book is really "Do everything you can to avoid a
collision, unless you are protecting the flag carrier."

New robotic insects will telemeter odours as well as high quality
vidio and audio to headquarters and nearby patrol vessels. Not all
them skeeters is real.

It's getting to be such a madhouse out here on the water that they
are going to install bouyed lanes, like streets, in some areas, with
speed limits and photoradar lights here and there, and helicopter
camera and gun ship patrols, who will soon be overburdened and
overbudgeted by medical rescues and evacuations. The photoradar
fines will show up in your income tax, property tax, auto permit
fees, and insurance premiums. They will even garnishee your X's
support payments, but not your child support. Sailboats are, of
course, to be avoided at all costs, have complete right of way, and
are not so regulated.

N'yah, N'yahh, N'ya N'ya N'Yahhhh!

International boundary crossings must be authorised by automatic
cell picturephone optional service documentation, six week setup
required, pay per use, paypal required, or those crossing the line
will be boarded. If your cell account application and passport
quality photograph isn't notarized, witnessed, vetted, approved,
enabled, vetted again and authorized, promulgated and verified
biometrically, you will be boarded.

Except for sailboats, who may zig zag wherever the hell they think
the wind, rocks and compass pertubations want them to, so there.
They have an express line to customs and a toll free number, too.
They have their own rules about survival in the wind, and how to
avoid each other. Some required turns could need to be initiated a
mile in advance of heavy vessels, for a sailor to avoid being
inadverdently mashed by an encumbered vessel in who's wind shadow
they could become becalmed, and it's you who must avoid their
attempts to non the less make time to weather, wherever their
anchorage may be. God rest them all, safe at hawser's end, and thee,
brother. Even if you have to go 100 extra yards to do it, even if
you have to back up in your lane to make a hole in traffic, you got
to do it. It's the law, Billy. God help you if you scratch their
gelcoat, even shake their stirred martinii with wake. Damages is
damages, and gin is expensive, too expensive to be ruined by you.

(insert razzzzzberry, here)

Sailors shouldn't need to look out for whirly gigs or steamboats, we
can't get away, and can't catch you. Most of you are too hard to
see, are our sails? All you need is to tongue your fly by wire
joystick and Mr. Scott will beam you past us, right? Behind us, that
is, it being safer, all 'round. Well clear. If the cook's flag is
flying, you must not over agitate the poaching eggs with a heavy
wake, right?

If you know sailing, it is easy to differentiate a true sailboat
from a stickboat, or motor sailer, who will endeavour to behave as a
powerboat, but who is still capable of being spun about by the wake
of a helicopter, or even broached, then reversed if they suddenly
and unexpected must turn ever so slightly to avoid you avoiding that
dead head he saw 20 minutes ago and still can't seem to get around,
what with the current, and wind shiftiness, and all.

Sailors called Kite skiers usually have the highest priority, being
essentially pedestrians, or potential aspiring pedestrians, most of
the time.

To whom would you bitch if you ran over some stupid swimmer's head
and the steel plate in his old veteran's head should scratch your
epoxy coated prop?

All considered, the best weapon on a boat is a yard sprayer full of
gasoline.

What about them Pelicans, eh?

Terry K

"Bill McKee" wrote in
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I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction traffic.


This isn't about "me". I was simply stating the local rules.

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Larry

"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Larry, if you or anyone else really thought I was serious, then you have
more problems that can be solved here.

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Oh. It's very hard to tell who's serious and who's just trolling, given
I've seen this belligerent attitude problem on both sides of the issue out
on the harbor.

--
Larry

"Bill McKee" wrote

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and
same direction
traffic.


I sail in a bay, not on the road.

Does your little toy jet ski have wheels?

SBV

Bill McKee wrote:
I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same direction
traffic.


Hey Bill.
Here it is for you ins very simple terms

A boat is NOT a car.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction traffic.

Hey Bill.
Here it is for you ins very simple terms

A boat is NOT a car.

DSK


But passing is passing. And a car can be a boat. Both the Amphicar, and a
couple models lately out of Cuba, and did you ever see a 1957 Buick?

At this point, you've made it quite obvious that you are a clueless feeb
who is never going to get a clue, no matter how patiently it is
explained to you. But for the benefit of others, I'm going to go just a
bit further here.


A boat is NOT a car.


Bill McKee wrote:
But passing is passing.

No, it is not. If you would drive a boat at 60 mph just a few feet from
another boat... or any object in the water... then you should be
physically restrained from operating a boat since you are a deadly
hazard to yourself and others.

Are cars affected by wakes? Currents? Leeway? Do boats have brakes?

Suppose you "pass" another boat, just as you wuould in a car, at the
same moment a wake strikes that other boat and causes it to slew 20
degrees momentarily? Or just when your own boat meets a wake?

If you overtake another vessel in such a way that you cannot avoid that
vessel if his boat turns, or rolls, or side-slips, or has some minor
equipment failure, the *you* have acted dangerously and incompetently.

DSK