Would you care to tell us
the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?

As with all jet BOATS (PWC or otherwise)... when you completely let off of
the throttle you lose the majority of your steering capability. Not all..
but most. That's why PWC riders match their throttle position to their
speed, to maintain steering capability. Of course, the PWC manufacturers
realized that this was a shortcoming and invented things like OPAS
(Off-Power Steering Assist).

Sailboats on the other hand... well that's a sad story. When they become
becalmed or lose sail they lose all navigational abilities (short of firing
up their engines.. if they have them). They're nothing more than floating
buoys at the whim and will of the currents. And that's why, on a sadly
regular basis, they block navigation channels, run into piers and moorings,
and go aground. And that's also why I spend a substantial portion of my
boating season tugging these poor guys around the lake.... with my lowly
PWC.

After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Bill McKee wrote:

Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world
be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control
it if you release the throttle?

Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a
credit rating.

Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water
lice were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman)
didn't know any better.

By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master
fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast
Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder
he had on board.

Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner



Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..

Bill McKee wrote:


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world
be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control
it if you release the throttle?


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is
not propelling equipment?

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a credit
rating.

Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water lice
were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman) didn't know
any better.

By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master
fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast
Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder
he had on board.

Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner



Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..

Bill McKee wrote:


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the
world be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.

"Bill McKee" wrote in
ink.net:


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your
motor is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving
my vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.


Show proof as to why.

otn

"Bill McKee" wrote


Better do a little research.


OH , THE IRONY !!!!!!!!


SBV

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your
motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn
According to Admiralty Law, and the Collision Regulations, you are correct
in saying that your vessel is a sailboat when the engine is running but not
propelling the vessel.

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

at least it was on topic!

NI!

Terry K

Bill McKee wrote:
Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned. Bill McKee wrote:

Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.


Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and
logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote,
you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail.
Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are
overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats
around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to
understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway.

Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot,
they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans.

You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all
their constraints, or stay home.

Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or
off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the
nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds,
waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You
understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the
water.

What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you,
would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they
were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right,
have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone
who does not stay out of your way, regardless.

This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the
latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty
*******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the
evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than
you are smart.

On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle
lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that
collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless
of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea
can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change
your attitude forever, the hard way.

Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other
ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make
little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the
other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right?

'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy
seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide
once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have
consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear
below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with
thousands of their passengers.

Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be
responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up
earlier than others. Some never make it.

Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your
skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your
passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock
awash, if you would just keep still.

Otherwise, we fear for you.

Terry K