Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron

Hi

"Ron Thornton" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron


With a sailboat the weight of the crew can be add performance , placed the
right place., then my suggestion about the 5meter Cyber-Boat Longboat, also
suggest one of the most stable constructions you will ever se, based on another
design, that will carry 3 grown up round 80 kilo one side, without this realy
toughing the boat.-
That design is the Cyber-Boat Dizzie, that is stable as a rock, ---------- don't
belive me, well there are documentation for that.

Dizzie ;
http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Sk-2.gif

http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Udsnit2.gif


P.C.

Ron Thornton wrote:

Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron

His post was NOT clear in regards to their weights. I too figured that
teir combined weights were 770 lbs.
He was, however, rude.


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

"P.C." wrote:

Hi

"Ron Thornton" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Joseph,

It's still cool to be nice I think. I also found your post
unnecessarily rude. And the pity is that if you had taken the time to
read it more carefully you would have seen his wife is 150 lbs.

Ron


With a sailboat the weight of the crew can be add performance , placed the
right place., then my suggestion about the 5meter Cyber-Boat Longboat, also
suggest one of the most stable constructions you will ever se, based on another
design, that will carry 3 grown up round 80 kilo one side, without this realy
toughing the boat.-
That design is the Cyber-Boat Dizzie, that is stable as a rock, ---------- don't
belive me, well there are documentation for that.

Dizzie ;
http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Sk-2.gif

http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139600113/grafik/Udsnit2.gif

P.C.

why don't you quit ?


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

Dazed and Confused says:

He was, however, rude.

And then follows it with :

why don't you quit ?

Pot. Kettle. Black?

Stephen Baker wrote:

Dazed and Confused says:

He was, however, rude.

And then follows it with :

why don't you quit ?

Pot. Kettle. Black?

Perhaps (I choose kettle) . Your rebuke is well taken. However, P.C. can
find any excuse to promote cyberboats. I am only surprised that he did
not fold 3-D onto the discussion.


--
I'd rather put more life in my days than put more days in my life......

"Terry Cano" wrote in message ...
I'm selling the VW project car and building a boat...nothing special
I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal. I have no desire to keep up with Jet Skiers so a few knots is
plenty
I'm considering a Lee Board as opposed to CB...why? Different and better for
shallow draft I figure
here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula
Terry

Well I will note that I made no jokes... I did however misread your
post. I am really happy that your wife does not weigh 400 plus pounds!
Now the bad news... I had a guy that was about 225, his wife was 105.
The boat (12 footer) did have a lot of rocker being a sailboat but for
him to sit in the rear of the boat, he needed several bags of sand in
the bow, just one with his wife on board. It made it very difficult to
even hand a soda back to him when I was in the boat. It is *your*
weight that is the problem, you really need a boat big enough for you
to move around in. I still say you will need something at least 16
feet... Sorry to tell you that but anything smaller will be
uncomfortable and unstable to move around in, board, sail, etc...
Scotty from SmallBoats.com

"Terry Cano" writes:
snip

I would like to build a 10 + ft Sail Boat suitable for the larger lakes
around
Southern Cal.
snip

here's the big question I'm 310 Lbs with my wife 460 Lbs and want to
figure
out the weight capacity is there a formula

Bottom line, you can't get there from here.

At 310 lbs, you have two (2) options:

1) Start looking at larger boats.

2) Take off about 60-80 lbs if you only want a smaller boat.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but the above is reality.

BTW, my weight has nothing to do with the choice I made for the boat I'm
buildingG.

HTH


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures

Dazed says:

I am only surprised that he did
not fold 3-D onto the discussion.

heh heh! So was I ;-)

Steve

Terry,
I try NOT to 'assume' ANYTHING !!

My reasoning for the response was simply that a LOT of people a) DON'T
have a since of reality, and b} feel that if 'something' is read on the
internet, it *must* be real.

A local Club I recently joined {one the Delaware River in the
Philadelphia area - in existence since the Civil War}, is so EMPHATIC
about safety that they INSIST that members or visitors {ESPECIALLY
children} wear PDF's even on the floating DOCK !!

While my background started in Atlantic City, NJ, and has a few years of
'sea time', it is not quite as 'adventurous' as yours. However, I don't
get your comment about . . . "You guys are making me wonder about the
boat building community." I may not build as many boats as some others,
or have a HIN 'assigned' to my shop, but I am familiar with the concept
of 'Peculinary {spl?}Liability' and how litigious our society has
become. In addition there is the simple and general concern for the
safety of the 'sport' of 'water-borne activity'. I don't want to get
into a discussion of how 'PC' it has become to get the 'Government'
involved in EVERY aspect of people's lives - just because no one seems
to want to accept the concept of 'Personal Responsibility for Personal
Activity'.

I didn't intend to insult anyone, if I did, I apologize . . . but not
for my comments to the 'general readership'. I don't mind this type of
discussions; my only regret is that it can't be continued face-to-face
over a pot of good coffee, or some chilled wine.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop


----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Ron Magen"
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 14:59
Subject: Where can I find info?


Reality is is known to me since I was raised in Key West and had
boats in
the Atlantic since I was 11.
My dad and I built a 14' Skiff which was amongst many of the boats we
owned
unfortunately at 10 you don't really appreciate the experience.
Also, I did more than a few days on shrimpers and crawfish boats
pulling
traps. I also spent many hours with the Mel Fisher family on their
boats
since I went to school with his sons.
Unfortunately, I wasn't interested in designing/building a boat and
saw it
as employment and social adventure.
I may ask a dumb question or two but don't assume I know nothing of
boats
You guys are making me wonder about the boat building community.

Terry






----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Magen"
Newsgroups: rec.boats.building
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Where can I find info?


Steve,
Maybe not a joke, but if this guy is for real . . SOMEBODY has to
get
through to him about REALITY.

I've seen people who have no concept of physics, or common sense,
over
load
a small boat BEYOND 'dangerous'. It's one thing when they are rather
fit
people & their kids . . . there is the possibility of survival
re-boarding
a
flipped or swamped boat.

On the other hand, I helped a gentleman get his wife aboard a 20 ft.
{or
so}
powerboat . . when she went over the side AT THE DOCK. She was TWICE
his
size, and he was of average fitness & size. I helped by showing &
telling
him WHAT and HOW to do it. Although he had already gone into the
water
{leaving two small children aboard} he could NEVER have pushed her
aboard.
If it had happened 'in a seaway' or out on the Delaware {with it's
6-7
knot
current} they would probably BOTH have drowned. NEITHER was wearing
a PFD.

Whether they ever purchased, or made, the emergency rope 'ladder' {I
used
an
extra dock-line}, I don't know. Hopefully the experience stuck with
them.
I
DID give them a stern 'safety lecture'.

As to their feelings; several days later we went to check on our
P-19,
there
was a nice bottle of wine, with a bow around the neck, sitting under
the
cockpit cover.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{all 225+ pounds of him}

"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Joseph Stachyra says:

is this posting a JOKE.....

I don't think so. But you better hope he doesn't find out what
part of
Tunkhannock you hail from.......
I know it's not "cool" to be PC any more, but it is still rude to
poke
fun
at
folks' weights.

Steve




"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Dazed and Confused says:

He was, however, rude.

And then follows it with :

why don't you quit ?

Pot. Kettle. Black?