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Unhappy Corolla Owners
Just 2.5 rating and a LOT of reviews from unhappy owners!
http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota_corolla_le/ Now...for the true smackdown....same website and rating for the 2007 Legacy is.....4.5 Stars!!! http://autos.yahoo.com/2007_subaru_legacy/ One of the highest ratings. Edmunds reflects an even higher score!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! KAPOWWWWEEEE!!! RB 35s5 NY |
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Unhappy Corolla Owners
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... Just 2.5 rating and a LOT of reviews from unhappy owners! http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota_corolla_le/ Now...for the true smackdown....same website and rating for the 2007 Legacy is.....4.5 Stars!!! http://autos.yahoo.com/2007_subaru_legacy/ One of the highest ratings. Edmunds reflects an even higher score!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! KAPOWWWWEEEE!!! RB 35s5 NY Yes and 62% of Republicans say Bush is doing a good job! Polls show that! The #1 complaint about Toyota was that it supposedly got the same gas mileage (23 mpg) as the Subaru! Bush: 62% Favorable rating! Polls show that! |
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The #1 complaint about Toyota was that it supposedly got the same gas
mileage (23 mpg) as the Subaru! No, you clearly did not read the complaints on Edmunds either. Corolla issues: Poor/unsafe handling even with tire upgrade Brake fade Vague center steering response at speed Too much road noise for long drives Too little room for adults Awful powerplant and accelration for highway use MPG far less than expected. NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy. It's okay for trips to the A&P, but a real car it aint. Sorry! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... The #1 complaint about Toyota was that it supposedly got the same gas mileage (23 mpg) as the Subaru! No, you clearly did not read the complaints on Edmunds either. I read them fully. I carefully selected the one that had best impact (The Art of Controversy). However I will address the issues below: Corolla issues: Poor/unsafe handling even with tire upgrade Have not experienced this even in winter Rocky Mt driving. Brake fade Have not experienced this even on 12% downhill grades. Vague center steering response at speed Nope. Too much road noise for long drives Very excessive road noise. Can't use cell phone, stereo must be turned up all the way. Road noise is not helped by changing tires. Too little room for adults Maybe in the back seat. Awful powerplant and accelration for highway use Awful off the line acceleration, almost stalls. MPG far less than expected. 44 mpg highway. 36+ around town. NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy. 5 star driver and passenger, just like Legacy at 1/2 the price and twice the gas mileage! It's okay for trips to the A&P, but a real car it aint. I drive it to King Kullen. It's not a real car, it's economical transportation. It does not enter into the realm of motoring. But neither does any Subaru product. Sorry! I'm not! RB 35s5 NY |
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Have not experienced this even in winter Rocky Mt driving. Test drive a Subaru Legacy GT or WRX, BMW 328XI or even a M35x. Then get back into your hamster box and let me know how it handles. Have not experienced this even on 12% downhill grades. I doubt you even know what brake fade is. Try a series of hard stops. This is a comfirmed issue with the Corolla. Vague center steering response at speed Nope. Uh, yup. Again, you don't know because you don't drive a road car. Have you ever read a review of the Subaru sports cars? My LGT eats BMW 330 XI's for breakfast. Tweak both cars and the LGT wins by an even bigger margin where the LGT can make 315 HP without swapping the turbo. Very excessive road noise. Can't use cell phone, stereo must be turned up all the way. Road noise is not helped by changing tires. And if this doesn't challenge your self respect, imagine how bad it is for a child. All of my cars have quiet interiors. The Tribeca is the quietest of any SUV. Maybe in the back seat. Did you buy a two seater? Try to put three adults in a Corolla and you can lose friends. One of my girlfriends traded in for a superior (Vastly) Matrix for that very reason. Awful off the line acceleration, almost stalls. You aint kidding. The corolla is dangerously underpowered. How bad is it? Try 0-60 in 9 seconds. Some sources say 10 seconds. Best I've seen for the manual is 8.73. My 5000 lbs Kia Sedona can make 7.2 seconds! Toyota acknowleged that the Sienna was underpowered and now matches the Kia for speed. What does THAT say about the poor Corolla. This is a major reason the Corolla is a poor man's car and will remain so. 44 mpg highway. 36+ around town. Virtually no one is reporting these figures. You must have the Meade Prototype Corolla. NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy. 5 star driver and passenger, just like Legacy at 1/2 the price and twice the gas mileage! Yeah, and it has 4 wheels just like the Legacy....but no AWD, no 5 star rating for the rear, no power, weaker brakes, far lesser handling and so on. The poor Corolla is not even worth the 15K at all. It does not enter into the realm of motoring. But neither does any Subaru product. Toyota does not agree with you. They recently bought a stake in Subaru away from GM. Like most real driving enthusiasts, they know what Subaru has done with the WRX, STI and LGT...three cars that stomp on the toes of a lot of European cars from BMW and Audi. The STI tuned Legacy will go even further with a whopping 340 HP stock and even more aggressive handling. You've clearly shown your ass on this, Bob. Comparing your sad econobox to a Legacy would be like comparing my car to an M5. But you'd have to drive an M car to know what I mean, since the raw numbers really don't tell much of the story. Get back to me when you've got some basic car experience and we'll talk. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Have not experienced this even in winter Rocky Mt driving. Test drive a Subaru Legacy GT or WRX, BMW 328XI or even a M35x. Then get back into your hamster box and let me know how it handles. It handles fine for what it is. I'm happy with it, it serves me well. Have not experienced this even on 12% downhill grades. I doubt you even know what brake fade is. Try a series of hard stops. This is a comfirmed issue with the Corolla. I downshift when descending long steep hills. It might be a long time before I try a series of hard stops. I don't drive in heavy traffic or in such a manner that I would have to do a series of hard stops. I know it's not a race car and I don't need to pretend I'm a race driver. Vague center steering response at speed Nope. Uh, yup. Again, you don't know because you don't drive a road car. Have you ever read a review of the Subaru sports cars? My LGT eats BMW 330 XI's for breakfast. Tweak both cars and the LGT wins by an even bigger margin where the LGT can make 315 HP without swapping the turbo. When I want to read a good review, I write one. Very excessive road noise. Can't use cell phone, stereo must be turned up all the way. Road noise is not helped by changing tires. And if this doesn't challenge your self respect, imagine how bad it is for a child. All of my cars have quiet interiors. The Tribeca is the quietest of any SUV. What? Maybe in the back seat. Did you buy a two seater? Try to put three adults in a Corolla and you can lose friends. One of my girlfriends traded in for a superior (Vastly) Matrix for that very reason. I don't put three adults in the back seat. Why would I want to? The back seat folds down to the trunk. It is a nice feature. Awful off the line acceleration, almost stalls. You aint kidding. The corolla is dangerously underpowered. How bad is it? Try 0-60 in 9 seconds. Some sources say 10 seconds. Best I've seen for the manual is 8.73. My 5000 lbs Kia Sedona can make 7.2 seconds! Toyota acknowleged that the Sienna was underpowered and now matches the Kia for speed. What does THAT say about the poor Corolla. This is a major reason the Corolla is a poor man's car and will remain so. It's not the 1/4 mile time or 0-60. It's the first 30 feet. A better measure of a car's utility is the 40-80 mph acceleration test. This is most likely a highway requirement, not 0-60 mph. 44 mpg highway. 36+ around town. Virtually no one is reporting these figures. You must have the Meade Prototype Corolla. I report it. Also confirmed he http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef7f8f8 NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy. 5 star driver and passenger, just like Legacy at 1/2 the price and twice the gas mileage! Yeah, and it has 4 wheels just like the Legacy....but no AWD, no 5 star rating for the rear, no power, weaker brakes, far lesser handling and so on. The poor Corolla is not even worth the 15K at all. I bought mine for less than that new. Do you buy your cars at retail? It does not enter into the realm of motoring. But neither does any Subaru product. Toyota does not agree with you. They recently bought a stake in Subaru away from GM. Like most real driving enthusiasts, they know what Subaru has done with the WRX, STI and LGT...three cars that stomp on the toes of a lot of European cars from BMW and Audi. The STI tuned Legacy will go even further with a whopping 340 HP stock and even more aggressive handling. Toyota = real driving enthusiasts! You so funny! You've clearly shown your ass on this, Bob. Comparing your sad econobox to a Legacy would be like comparing my car to an M5. I'm not comparing my hamster mobile to a Legacy. But you are comparing your Legacy to my hamster box. But you'd have to drive an M car to know what I mean, since the raw numbers really don't tell much of the story. I agree, raw numbers don't mean much. But I'll give you some leeway since that is all you have. Get back to me when you've got some basic car experience and we'll talk. Was that Atomic 4 in your Pearson sold as a working engine? Your handiwork? If poor Thomas can't play in the dirt, my God! keep him away from grease and oil! I love my Corolla, much more than your Impreza. You couldn't give me your Impreza, it is too uneconomical. |
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It's okay for trips to the A&P, but a real car it aint. I drive it to King Kullen. It's not a real car, it's economical transportation. It does not enter into the realm of motoring. But neither does any Subaru product. After 300 miles, absolutly thrilled with our new Forester. Drove all the competitors in the same class, and without a doubt, it is the best handling unit of the bunch. Frank |
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After 300 miles, absolutly thrilled with our new Forester. Drove all
the competitors in the same class, and without a doubt, it is the best handling unit of the bunch. It's a great car and far nicer than anything like a poor Corolla. The Forester also has a proper 5 star crash rating, AWD and it's a real car. Recently I was talking with someone about the old VW Dasher and what a tight good handling wagon they had. If VW had more vision they would have built the Forester. Along the same lines, AMC had the AWD Eagle and THAT was an early forester of sorts. Of course it took a Japanes company to get all working right. Bob, trying to prove to himself that his Corolla is a car to be mentioned alongside of a Legacy...or even the Impreza that he's somehow worried about....like bringing a Penguin to a gun fight. Enjoy the Forester! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... The #1 complaint about Toyota was that it supposedly got the same gas mileage (23 mpg) as the Subaru! No, you clearly did not read the complaints on Edmunds either. Corolla issues: Poor/unsafe handling even with tire upgrade Brake fade Vague center steering response at speed Too much road noise for long drives Too little room for adults Awful powerplant and accelration for highway use MPG far less than expected. NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy. It's okay for trips to the A&P, but a real car it aint. Sorry! RB 35s5 NY Most of us do not need a real car. |
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On Jun 22, 9:01 am, "Capt. Lewry" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... The #1 complaint about Toyota was that it supposedly got the same gas mileage (23 mpg) as the Subaru! No, you clearly did not read the complaints on Edmunds either. Corolla issues: Poor/unsafe handling even with tire upgrade Brake fade Vague center steering response at speed Too much road noise for long drives Too little room for adults Awful powerplant and accelration for highway use MPG far less than expected. NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy. It's okay for trips to the A&P, but a real car it aint. Sorry! RB Most of us do not need a real car. Bright lad! I want Annie Lectric town car that costs so little to drive it's essentially free. Now there's a way to upgrade transport pollution and reduce the price of plastic. The batteries are recyclable. There is no reason an electric car can't last at least as long as a decent refrigerator. I'll take a bus between major centers if I can rent an electric reasonable for half a day or two. Can't do that today. Now, if we could organise an electric tractor battery change system, We could get unregulated transports off the roads and cheaper shipping. Bring back the trains! clean coal! End the energy monopoly of oil! Insure drivers, not cars! Shills, beware! Terry K |
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