"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Have not experienced this even in winter Rocky Mt driving.


Test drive a Subaru Legacy GT or WRX, BMW 328XI or even a M35x. Then
get back into your hamster box and let me know how it handles.

It handles fine for what it is. I'm happy with it, it serves me well.



Have not experienced this even on 12% downhill grades.


I doubt you even know what brake fade is. Try a series of hard stops.
This is a comfirmed issue with the Corolla.


I downshift when descending long steep hills. It might be a long time before
I try a series of hard stops. I don't drive in heavy traffic or in such a
manner that I would have to do a series of hard stops. I know it's not a
race car and I don't need to pretend I'm a race driver.




Vague center steering response at speed


Nope.


Uh, yup. Again, you don't know because you don't drive a road car.
Have you ever read a review of the Subaru sports cars? My LGT eats BMW
330 XI's for breakfast. Tweak both cars and the LGT wins by an even
bigger margin where the LGT can make 315 HP without swapping the
turbo.


When I want to read a good review, I write one.


Very excessive road noise. Can't use cell phone, stereo must be turned
up
all the way. Road noise is not helped by changing tires.

And if this doesn't challenge your self respect, imagine how bad it is
for a child. All of my cars have quiet interiors. The Tribeca is the
quietest of any SUV.

What?




Maybe in the back seat.


Did you buy a two seater? Try to put three adults in a Corolla and you
can lose friends. One of my girlfriends traded in for a superior
(Vastly) Matrix for that very reason.


I don't put three adults in the back seat. Why would I want to? The back
seat folds down to the trunk. It is a nice feature.





Awful off the line acceleration, almost stalls.

You aint kidding. The corolla is dangerously underpowered. How bad is
it? Try 0-60 in 9 seconds. Some sources say 10 seconds. Best I've seen
for the manual is 8.73. My 5000 lbs Kia Sedona can make 7.2 seconds!
Toyota acknowleged that the Sienna was underpowered and now matches
the Kia for speed. What does THAT say about the poor Corolla. This is
a major reason the Corolla is a poor man's car and will remain so.

It's not the 1/4 mile time or 0-60. It's the first 30 feet. A better measure
of a car's utility is the 40-80 mph acceleration test. This is most likely a
highway requirement, not 0-60 mph.



44 mpg highway. 36+ around town.

Virtually no one is reporting these figures. You must have the Meade
Prototype Corolla.


I report it. Also confirmed he

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef7f8f8



NO 5 star crash rating as with Legacy.


5 star driver and passenger, just like Legacy at 1/2 the price and
twice the
gas mileage!


Yeah, and it has 4 wheels just like the Legacy....but no AWD, no 5
star rating for the rear, no power, weaker brakes, far lesser handling
and so on. The poor Corolla is not even worth the 15K at all.

I bought mine for less than that new. Do you buy your cars at retail?




It does not enter into the realm of motoring. But neither
does any Subaru product.

Toyota does not agree with you. They recently bought a stake in Subaru
away from GM. Like most real driving enthusiasts, they know what
Subaru has done with the WRX, STI and LGT...three cars that stomp on
the toes of a lot of European cars from BMW and Audi. The STI tuned
Legacy will go even further with a whopping 340 HP stock and even more
aggressive handling.

Toyota = real driving enthusiasts! You so funny!


You've clearly shown your ass on this, Bob. Comparing your sad
econobox to a Legacy would be like comparing my car to an M5.

I'm not comparing my hamster mobile to a Legacy. But you are comparing your
Legacy to my hamster box.



But
you'd have to drive an M car to know what I mean, since the raw
numbers really don't tell much of the story.

I agree, raw numbers don't mean much. But I'll give you some leeway since
that is all you have.


Get back to me when
you've got some basic car experience and we'll talk.


Was that Atomic 4 in your Pearson sold as a working engine? Your handiwork?

If poor Thomas can't play in the dirt, my God! keep him away from grease and
oil!

I love my Corolla, much more than your Impreza. You couldn't give me your
Impreza, it is too uneconomical.