"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

If it makes no difference then why hide it? You don't have to divulge
the
Loft's name.


It makes a difference to divulge it here...because this is troll world.
This ends the discussion on this deal. I'm glad one person here will do
well by it, besides me.
Like your van thread, this is now a dead topic. Only direct e-mail on
the topic and a phone call will get you more info. As to the rest of
your guesses on profits, my profit and so on...all dead wrong and
hugely so.

Buh bye.


RB
35s5
NY


"Nonsense. There are bound to be issues. My van also had a noisy fuel
pump. Kia replaced the WHOLE VAN.
My Subaru ALSO had a noisy fuel pump. Took weeks to fix.
My 2006 Sedona has been perfect after 5000 miles and we keep getting
calls from Major Kia to make sure we're happy. Free oil changes too!
My friend's 2005 Toyota Sienna has tranny and window problems. But even
without those problems he prefers my Sedona because it's got a real
engine in it. The poor Sienna can't get out of it's own way.


Capt RB
NY"

Lies, all lies!!!!

"Gilligan" wrote

"Swabbie Robbie" wrote

If it makes no difference then why hide it? You don't have to divulge
the
Loft's name.


It makes a difference to divulge it here...because this is troll world.
This ends the discussion on this deal. I'm glad one person here will do
well by it, besides me.
Like your van thread, this is now a dead topic. Only direct e-mail on
the topic and a phone call will get you more info. As to the rest of
your guesses on profits, my profit and so on...all dead wrong and
hugely so.

Buh bye.

Look like you guessed right Gilligan. Kinda reminds me of
Clinton when they DNA analysed the stain on the blue dress.
"I did not have sex with that woman!"

And, the little boy who dried wolf so many times, no one believes him
at all.

Well, mentally, Clinton is a teenager when it comes to sex. A high
percentage of teens don't believe oral sex is "sex." Strange, but true.

I find it very strange that even after all these years, Clinton bashing is
popular among some people. Seems to me we have a lot more problems, e.g.,
people dying for no reason in various parts of the world. Perhaps our
current president needs some criticism (maybe he's not getting any).

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...
"Gilligan" wrote

"Swabbie Robbie" wrote

If it makes no difference then why hide it? You don't have to divulge
the
Loft's name.


It makes a difference to divulge it here...because this is troll world.
This ends the discussion on this deal. I'm glad one person here will do
well by it, besides me.
Like your van thread, this is now a dead topic. Only direct e-mail on
the topic and a phone call will get you more info. As to the rest of
your guesses on profits, my profit and so on...all dead wrong and
hugely so.

Buh bye.

Look like you guessed right Gilligan. Kinda reminds me of
Clinton when they DNA analysed the stain on the blue dress.
"I did not have sex with that woman!"

And, the little boy who dried wolf so many times, no one believes him
at all.

Subject: THE ABSOLUTE HELL OF POLITICS




While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a
truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
"Welcome
to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a
problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, so we're not
sure
what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the man.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is
have
you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to
spend eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down,
down,
down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a
green
golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it
are
all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.
Everyone is
very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand,
and
reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense
of
the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster,
caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very
friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are
having
such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator
rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St.
Peter
is waiting for him.

"Now it's time to visit heaven." So, 24 hours pass with the senator
joining
a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp
and
singing. Things are serene and peaceful. It is all pleasant and before he
realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose
your eternity."
The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never
have said it before,I mean heaven was verynice, but honestly it was a
little
too mild and boring. Not what I expected. And I think I would be better
off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to
hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren
land
covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and
putting
it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.
"I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was here and
there
was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank
champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's jus t a wasteland
full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were
campaigning......today you voted

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Well, mentally, Clinton is a teenager when it comes to sex. A high
percentage of teens don't believe oral sex is "sex." Strange, but true.

I find it very strange that even after all these years, Clinton bashing is
popular among some people. Seems to me we have a lot more problems, e.g.,
people dying for no reason in various parts of the world. Perhaps our
current president needs some criticism (maybe he's not getting any).

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...
"Gilligan" wrote

"Swabbie Robbie" wrote

If it makes no difference then why hide it? You don't have to divulge
the
Loft's name.


It makes a difference to divulge it here...because this is troll world.
This ends the discussion on this deal. I'm glad one person here will do
well by it, besides me.
Like your van thread, this is now a dead topic. Only direct e-mail on
the topic and a phone call will get you more info. As to the rest of
your guesses on profits, my profit and so on...all dead wrong and
hugely so.

Buh bye.

Look like you guessed right Gilligan. Kinda reminds me of
Clinton when they DNA analysed the stain on the blue dress.
"I did not have sex with that woman!"

And, the little boy who dried wolf so many times, no one believes him
at all.





I thought Clinton was a vile President. He would sure be fun to go out
partying with though.

Yeah, he only tried to do good. I guess that makes him vile.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Well, mentally, Clinton is a teenager when it comes to sex. A high
percentage of teens don't believe oral sex is "sex." Strange, but true.

I find it very strange that even after all these years, Clinton bashing
is popular among some people. Seems to me we have a lot more problems,
e.g., people dying for no reason in various parts of the world. Perhaps
our current president needs some criticism (maybe he's not getting any).

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...
"Gilligan" wrote

"Swabbie Robbie" wrote

If it makes no difference then why hide it? You don't have to divulge
the
Loft's name.


It makes a difference to divulge it here...because this is troll
world.
This ends the discussion on this deal. I'm glad one person here will
do
well by it, besides me.
Like your van thread, this is now a dead topic. Only direct e-mail on
the topic and a phone call will get you more info. As to the rest of
your guesses on profits, my profit and so on...all dead wrong and
hugely so.

Buh bye.

Look like you guessed right Gilligan. Kinda reminds me of
Clinton when they DNA analysed the stain on the blue dress.
"I did not have sex with that woman!"

And, the little boy who dried wolf so many times, no one believes him
at all.





I thought Clinton was a vile President. He would sure be fun to go out
partying with though.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Yeah, he only tried to do good. I guess that makes him vile.



Ethics of Intentions
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There is an ethical premise that holds the evaluation of actions by
the intentions of the actions. This idea is compatible with any standard of
value. It is the claim that the consequences of an action are not important
morally. Only the desired results.

If morality is a guide to living, it can only be so if the outcome of
action moral is in your interest. By claiming that only intentions matter,
ethics becomes useless. It is left strictly as a method of evaluating the
actions of others. It cannot act a a guide to your actions.

The Ethics of Intentions is derived from the understanding that people
who intend to harm will eventually succeed. It is a way of judging them evil
by the fact that they want to harm people, not that they do. But this is
faulty. It is the impending actions that are evil. The fact that the person
is malevolent implies they will take the actions. But it is the actions that
are destructive.

A newspaper article a few years ago portrayed a mother who had
murdered her young daughter. The mother had come to believe that the world
was a place of suffering, and happiness was impossible. She killed her
daughter in order to save her from the torment of living. Under the Ethics
of Intentions, she should be praised as a hero.


Copyright © 2001 by Jeff Landauer and Joseph Rowlands

As opposed to starting a war for reasons that were untrue? As opposed to
listening in on millions of Americans? As opposed to supporting the removal
of Habeas Corpus?

If you're going to argue that Clinton was vile because he attempted to do
the right thing, what do you say about a bunch who lie, cheat, steal, and
prey on innoncents?????? My bet.. nothing. They're ok.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Yeah, he only tried to do good. I guess that makes him vile.



Ethics of Intentions
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There is an ethical premise that holds the evaluation of actions by
the intentions of the actions. This idea is compatible with any standard
of value. It is the claim that the consequences of an action are not
important morally. Only the desired results.

If morality is a guide to living, it can only be so if the outcome of
action moral is in your interest. By claiming that only intentions matter,
ethics becomes useless. It is left strictly as a method of evaluating the
actions of others. It cannot act a a guide to your actions.

The Ethics of Intentions is derived from the understanding that
people who intend to harm will eventually succeed. It is a way of judging
them evil by the fact that they want to harm people, not that they do. But
this is faulty. It is the impending actions that are evil. The fact that
the person is malevolent implies they will take the actions. But it is the
actions that are destructive.

A newspaper article a few years ago portrayed a mother who had
murdered her young daughter. The mother had come to believe that the world
was a place of suffering, and happiness was impossible. She killed her
daughter in order to save her from the torment of living. Under the Ethics
of Intentions, she should be praised as a hero.


Copyright © 2001 by Jeff Landauer and Joseph Rowlands