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Heart of Gold clip to windward
However, the 15% improvement you're claiming
would imply a 100 point PHRF improvement. Only if the polars were correct. Quite a few boats have prove abilities well beyond the polars originally drawn up. So it would appear that your major burst of speed only works on boats that are not racing, when no one is watching. Nope, it appears on a coarse which you refuse to acknowledge. You kept saying you weren't pointing that high. However, you actually admitted several times that you have no idea what your point of sail actually was. That is to say I don't know the specific number you'd demand for this discussion. So tell us Bob, were you even there? Now you're just being silly. I shot the clips with my Casio. Oh, and catamarans don't count! My PDQ actually does have a VMG of 6.2 at 47 degrees in 20 knots true wind. I guess that means I would toast you upwind! I mentioned it only because you and others are always so quick to point out the poor upwind performance of my cat. Actually, your cat is quite fast, roomy and very practical as a floating home. It's just missing the fun and romance of sailing as many of us prefer. However, with a wind over 12-14 knots, my VMG to Windward exceeds that of even performance monohulls with the same length and sail area. Uh, okay. Jetskis are also faster. Sometime you say that, other times you don't. I have always maintained that the mark was to windward in clip #2, but that we weren't beating. You probably weren't even there. Oh no! You said several times he was reading off his GPS. A GPS alone Who said GPS alone? Were the other instruments to be ignored? Frankly I'm skeptical as to whether a basic system like Ray ST60 can do it, I certainly take my instruments with a huge grain of salt. Well, they're your instruments. Trust them or don't. Actually, that's one of the basic issues of the discussion; you should have realized immediately that a VMG to Windward of 6 knots was bogus. Except that you still refuse to admit that VMG to windward is ANY course above a beam reach. That's a fact. Its even possible that you could have momentarily hit that when close to the wind We weren't very close to the wind. Sure, within about 15%. That's a pretty good estimate. Estimate means GUESS, educated or not. You also claimed it was "directly to windward." So are you now claiming that "directly to windward" means anything on the windward side of your boat? Of course, you don't understand the meaning of these words, do you? Uh, Jeff. Let's try to be honest for a second. Here's my exact quote: "Second clip, still some nice air and off to windward at just over 6 knots VMG.... " OFF TO WINDWARD is not directly to windward, now is it??? Hmmmm? Where is the word DIRECTLY??? Looks like you read my post and inferred what you needed to draw out this entertaining debate! But the fact is that you got it wrong....which is what you wanted to do anyway. which video? Frankly, all of them are so poor that very little can be deduced about the performance. Really? The folks on the Beneteau lists liked them. Can I see one of your video clips that you generously posted to this or some other group? Why can't you actually tell use how close to the wind you were sailing? Weren't you there? Sure I was there. Will you take an estimate? The 8 knots speed through the water, at 45 degrees to the wind, yields a VMG of 5.65 knots. At 50 degrees this becomes 5.1, at 55 degrees its 4.6, and at 60 its 4 knots. This doesn't include leeway, which the GPS would pick up, so you have to add 3 to 4 degrees and degrade the performance accordingly. Sure, read all that...and as I also indicated we TOPPED 8 knots and winds were higher than 14 knots on the water. The 35s5 does a fine job of cutting leeway with her wing. With that in mind my 6 knot claim doesn't appear to be the gross error you make it out to be. And in all of this, knowing we were on the LIS you utterly failed to take into account a favorable current. I did not check, but that also could play a part. You've hardly been complete in your examination of the videos, the facts as presented and so on. Maybe a bit, but not 15% upwind. Are you sure? The Express is a beauty compared to your boat. Not many...and no one I know thinks the Express is a good looking boat. Then again, if you got past the looks of a PDQ 36, anything is possible. I've had nothing but compliments. yada yada yada. Whenever you lose an argument, you start using terms that you don't understand so you sound important. Oh no! Jeff says I lost the argument, so it must be true! What a putz! A putz who sails more than you and has a ton of fun! Doing a short cruise this weekend starting tomorrow afternoon, then delivering a Catalina 34 from Mystic to my club. How much sailing are you getting in? And I'm not even retired! Yes I did. What about it? So you lied. Exactly. It doesn't change the math. And yet you change the numbers when they fail to support you! Moreover, you've said the mark was directly upwind Another lie. I said it was to windward, which is NOT directly to windward regarding course. If your goal was to demonstrate total ignorance about sailing, you've succeeded admirably! Yes, I've exposed you. But I do feel sad about it. Directly To Windward? None, for your boat. But you seem to be confused about the term "VMG to Windward." There he goes again with the "directly" stuff. It's his ace in the a-hole! RB 35s5 NY |
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