So why don't you find us the polars from any 35 foot boat that claims
a VMG to windward of 6 knots in any wind condition?

I've read time and again about vessels beating their polars, Jeff and I
bet you have as well. Polars are like hull speed....they're there to be
surpassed!


While you're at it, find us one that does it without going higher
than
45 degrees.


You still are commenting without knowing my POS, which is really the
probem here!


Oh, and catamarans don't count! My PDQ actually does
have a VMG of 6.2 at 47 degrees in 20 knots true wind. I guess that
means I would toast you upwind!

Your cat is not a monohull and is about twice the size overall of my
boat! I'd need two slips for it here! The comparison is about as
relevant as comparing your boat to a F boat.


At 14 knots, perhaps 38 degrees.


Not that high at all, and winds were actually closer to 17 knots at
times where we were.


Wrong answer. VMG to a mark is quite different from VMG to Windward.



The mark WAS to WINDWARD.



So now you're claiming that you connected your instruments to your
friend's handheld? Why would you do that?

Never claimed that, but he's an experienced navigator and had all the
info in front of him.


I don't know all of the features of the latest handheld Garmins, but
I
don't believe they will pick up the wind data from your instruments.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to how this works.

Are you now claiming that if you have a compass, wind instruments, GPS,
mechanical knotmeter, you can't make a good estimate on VMG?


But you said, many times, that you were talking about "VMG to
Windward," not the VMG to a mark.

Nope. But that's pretty creative! I have maintained that the MARK was
to WINDWARD and WINDWARD is any course above a beam reach.


That's the problem you have

I knew it!!!!

, you kept insisting that you weren't "hard
on the wind" or beating, and that I couldn't predict your speed
without knowing the exact point of sail.

I wasn't beating, the video shows that clearly.

But I don't have to, because
by your own admission, the best you could have been doing is maybe 5.2
knots and it goes downhill from there.

I admitted I was doing a VMG of 5.2 knots with my speed over ground at
8 knots or higher?



So what do you mean when you insist that your boat can outperform
its
polars by 15%?

It depends on the polars, who made them and how the aspects of a given
design have been learned since. A 35s5 can do better than the polars
made when she was built


You do know who Steve Killing is, I assume.

Didn't he make one of the ugliest boats ever in the Express 30?


Most Nonsuch owners that I knew routinely tweaked their
outhauls (called "chokers" by Ellis) as the wind changed, or they
changed point of sail.

The Nonsuch is not a twin spreader fractional sloop designed for
cruising and around the bouys racing.


Underway??? I'm impressed!


Outside of using a guage and best guess tuning, how else would I do it
except underway?


Still probably too close, in one minute the angle would change
around
6 degrees, so it really isn't directly upwind.

Well, you didn't say this before. You said 1/4 mile would be too close.

Your insistence that you were not beating simply created a hole
for
you that you can't crawl out of.

I think I've done rather well.


Busted!

Yep, but don't beat yourself up over it. Now ask yourself, at what POS
can a quick monohull make 6 knots VMG in 17 knots of wind?



RB
35s5
NY