"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:fvZ7e.34876$vt1.12415@edtnps90...

"Wally" wrote in message

While I can see that there's an ethical or principled aspect to this, the
brass tacks of the matter are that there are enforcable rules which the
user
can choose to abide by, or transgress. It's simply about accepting your
provider's TOS, and then choosing whether or not to abide by them.

Wally.... with all due respect ... I must take this assumption to task.
Rules are set as guidelines... although enforceable to the letter... this
does not justify nor mitigate abuse of those enforceable guidelines as a
shield to prevent engagement with an opponent on a "verbal" matter.

I would state that once precedence is set.... once parameters of engagement
have been mutually established.... it is plainly wrong to resort to evoking
such action.

To explain .... and I'm certain you are aware... I have taken Jonathan to
task. During that encounter a certain established exchange of insults was
undertaken. The difference being that Jonathan elected to report me for
defamation to my ISP... despite an ongoing interchange of established
insults between us. Jonathan had the option of not responding .. or kill
filing me. I made no attempt throughout this altercation... to mask my
identity nor alter my header. I provided everyone with "if subject contains"
keywords to facilitate kill filing.

Despite my efforts... Jonathan took advantage of my TOS to report me. I know
I was in violation to a degree... but this benchmark was established within
the protocol of the group and until Jonathan began filing abuse complaints
... I had been in verbal quarrels to a much greater degree of dissention
than what had taken place with Ganz. I even on occasion had come to his aid.
Having the these boundaries established within the group... I felt that I
was not in violation of the "spirit of intent" of my TOS.

I have refused to follow the recommendations of my ISP and file counter
complaints.... since I have accepted the terms of engagement on this group.

I firmly believe that to blindly state that I am guilty of violations of my
TOS is a rather narrow minded and short sighted accusation.... based on the
letter of the law rather than the intent.

To quote my ISP... "although we agree with your position, our hands are
tied by the regulations"... sums up what they think of the complaints
forwarded to them from Jonathan.

I stand righteous in my indignation..... so don't paint this canvas in
black and white... and do not talk down to me from a precarious perch of
pretensions.

I have only one provider in my area..... I knew this when I entered into
the diatribe... and Jonathan was the only one to report me in the years I've
posted here. He has established himself as such...... without a doubt...
beneath my contempt!

Capt.Mooron
S.V. Overpoof



A most excellent post, sir! I, too, railed at Wally's black and white interpretation
of abuse situations and referred him to examples of gray areas by proxy. Your
facts about Ganz's continued use of TOS gray areas from your personal perspective
is far more effective IMHO.

Wally, does appear to side at least somewhat with netKKKops but I can't picture him
ever stooping so low himself. He seems to have pretty good self-esteem but is somewhat
rule-driven. When they call for rebels. Don't expect Wally to step forward.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Wally, does appear to side at least somewhat with netKKKops but I can't
picture him
ever stooping so low himself. He seems to have pretty good self-esteem but
is somewhat
rule-driven. When they call for rebels. Don't expect Wally to step
forward.

Wally is young ... but he has the ability to entertain viewpoints from
differing aspects... what is important is to clarify those aspects to him so
he can judge it for himself. The ability to engage multiple aspects of a
position without the blurring afforded by emotion is not easily accommodated
by the young and inexperienced.

I believe that Wally has this ability... it merely undertakes exposure and
reflection..... he will not readily succumb to verbal abuse.. nor will he
offer consideration to those who have not earned his respect... this is a
mark of true spirit.

His points have merit..... when viewed within the constraints of his
experience. I merely wish he expands his comprehension by viewing the entire
canvas... rather than the technical confines of the brush strokes.

Capt. Mooron
S.V.Overproof

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:X3_7e.34882$vt1.8471@edtnps90...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Wally, does appear to side at least somewhat with netKKKops but I can't picture him
ever stooping so low himself. He seems to have pretty good self-esteem but is somewhat
rule-driven. When they call for rebels. Don't expect Wally to step forward.

Wally is young ... but he has the ability to entertain viewpoints from differing aspects... what is important is to clarify those
aspects to him so he can judge it for himself. The ability to engage multiple aspects of a position without the blurring afforded
by emotion is not easily accommodated by the young and inexperienced.

I believe that Wally has this ability... it merely undertakes exposure and reflection..... he will not readily succumb to verbal
abuse.. nor will he offer consideration to those who have not earned his respect... this is a mark of true spirit.

His points have merit..... when viewed within the constraints of his experience. I merely wish he expands his comprehension by
viewing the entire canvas... rather than the technical confines of the brush strokes.

Capt. Mooron
S.V.Overproof

At the risk of somebody accusing me of sucking your dick, may I say you appear
to become more brilliant by the day.

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:

At the risk of somebody accusing me of sucking your dick, may I say
you appear to become more brilliant by the day.

First time you've said something in weeks that's made me laugh. Keep it up.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Wally" wrote

First time you've said something in weeks that's made me laugh. Keep
it up.


if he could do that, LP would have stayed with him longer and this
whole mess never would have started.

SV

Now that is funny! Thanks for reposting!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Wally" wrote in message
. uk...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

At the risk of somebody accusing me of sucking your dick, may I say
you appear to become more brilliant by the day.

First time you've said something in weeks that's made me laugh. Keep it
up.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Your risk of accusation is more like a verification of fact.

WTF are you talking to? fred and Steve aren't gonna like the fact
that you didn't 'attribute' and mark as such, your reply. They may
even report you.

Stand by.

SV


"purgecontrol" wrote in message
oups.com...
Your risk of accusation is more like a verification of fact.

Scotty wrote:
: WTF are you talking to? fred and Steve aren't gonna like the fact
: that you didn't 'attribute' and mark as such, your reply. They may
: even report you.
:
: Stand by.

film at eleven: *flonkers* don't netKKKop.
not even top-poasting ****wits who don't attribute quotes. we just laugh at
them.
:
: SV
:
:
: "purgecontrol" wrote in message
: oups.com...
:: Your risk of accusation is more like a verification of fact.

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
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em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
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http://www.radioxanadu.tk

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

A foolproof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block
of marble, then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an
elephant.
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My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing.

jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
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"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"

bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
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"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS."

miguel, soc.singles
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"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying."

projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy
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"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
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"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


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Meow

Whew! That's a relief.

S

"""""film at eleven: *flonkers* don't netKKKop.
not even top-poasting ****wits who don't attribute quotes. we just
laugh at
them. """""