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JG February 20th 05 07:16 AM

Thanks for admitting it.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
so witty...so witty...and pretty...and GAY....


"JG" wrote in message
...
A mushroom is wittier than a bad imitation of a fat Elvis.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
WoW jon, that's very clever of you, switching my name for yours in

my
post. Did it take you long to think that up? Did you get help from
another intellectual? Should I report you?

You really are witty......oh so witty........

Scotty


"JG" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
The same number of days as Scotti Potti has boyfriends - about
90.


That's per month.













JG February 20th 05 07:17 AM

Scotti Potti is such an intellectual.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote ...
Guess how many days I had sex in the last three years.

Give up?

zero, zilch, nada, none!

CN









Maxprop February 20th 05 05:09 PM


"JG" wrote in message

Why would I feel the need to compare myself to you? You're the one with
the low self-esteem problem.


One might assume from this that Jon will not be forthcoming with his
credentials.

Max



Maxprop February 20th 05 05:11 PM


"Donal" wrote in message

If you really subsidise the plan then I will take my hat off to you.
However, I suspect that you pay less than you take out. That makes you a
scrounger.


Welcome to conservatism and the Republican Party, Donal.

Max



Maxprop February 20th 05 05:13 PM


"katysails" wrote in message

hard liquor is distilled....once again you're forced to eat your own
foot...


Um, don't go there, Katy. He claimed he once had to gnaw his foot off after
being caught in an animal trap. Poor fella.

Max



Maxprop February 20th 05 05:14 PM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Phtttt, I've been to Harvard.


Have a nice visit, didja?

Max



Maxprop February 20th 05 05:16 PM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Nothing that fancy.... stripped out some older electronics and wiring
harnesses that I'm planning on replacing, removed the fresh water tank
for it's annual cleaning, packed the sails to be sent for annual
inspection and repair, then sat back in the cockpit.... looking over the
frozen bay, drank an Overproof Rum & Coffee and thought about the times I
was out sailing.


What sort of vessel is Overproof, while on the subject?

Max



Scott Vernon February 20th 05 05:40 PM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Phtttt, I've been to Harvard.


Have a nice visit, didja?


No, it was cold and wet.

SV



Capt. Mooron February 20th 05 07:27 PM

Canadian Built Double Ender

Here's a link

http://www.nordicaboats.com/

CM



"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Nothing that fancy.... stripped out some older electronics and wiring
harnesses that I'm planning on replacing, removed the fresh water tank
for it's annual cleaning, packed the sails to be sent for annual
inspection and repair, then sat back in the cockpit.... looking over the
frozen bay, drank an Overproof Rum & Coffee and thought about the times I
was out sailing.


What sort of vessel is Overproof, while on the subject?

Max




Donal February 20th 05 11:32 PM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

If you really subsidise the plan then I will take my hat off to you.
However, I suspect that you pay less than you take out. That makes you

a
scrounger.


Welcome to conservatism and the Republican Party, Donal.


Excellent troll, Max.

However, I think that a true conservative would find it easy to distinguish
between conservatism and the Republican party.

GWB isn't a conservative..... He's an idiot.


Conservatives believe in old fashioned values. Truth is an old fashioned
value.

GWB is not a true conservative.



Regards


Donal
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Donal February 20th 05 11:46 PM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Ya think Donut works 24/7/363?


Ya but he only gets paid for 8/5/360.....


If you and Scotty want to know how much I earn, - why don't you ask straight
out?

It's obvious that neither of you earn as much as Australian ex-coppers.

Regards


Donal
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katysails February 20th 05 11:49 PM

Well, everyone comes with two..he can chew the reserve...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

hard liquor is distilled....once again you're forced to eat your own
foot...


Um, don't go there, Katy. He claimed he once had to gnaw his foot off
after being caught in an animal trap. Poor fella.

Max




Donal February 21st 05 12:02 AM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

How much did you lose?


None of your business, really.

I've had influenza twice. Once when I was 15, and again three years

ago.

I've had it twice. This was nowhere near as painful as the Hong Kong flu

I
had years ago, during which I prayed for, but was not granted, a quick
demise. g This one only made me wish I were unconscious or heavily
drugged.

I heard that doctors went on strike in the US a few years ago. During
this
strike, the death rate rose. Is this true?


It's hogwash. First, physicians here are largely independent, albeit many
more now are employed by HMOs, hospitals, and corporate clinics than

before.
Against whom would they strike?? Our doctors take the Hypocratic oath,

and
99.9% of them take it very seriously. To boot, neither physicians nor
hospitals are allowed by law to refuse care to those in acute need. I

don't
know where you got that bit of disinfo, but it's just that.

You over-estimate my reliance on your opinion.


You'd be well-advised to reconsider, in light of the fact that the opinion
is not only mine.


OK, I've reconsidered. I've decided that you over-estimate my reliance on
the opinions of the medical proffession.

You all have an inflated view of your knowledge. Most of you seem to think
that it is acceptable to take a guess. I'd like to give you a wake-up call.
If you are not 100% certain, then you should admit that you don't know.
Your confidence is somebody's bereavement.


Regards


Donal
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Scott Vernon February 21st 05 12:18 AM


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:iVTRd.2036$9a3.464@edtnps91...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Ya think Donut works 24/7/363?


Ya but he only gets paid for 8/5/360.....


If you and Scotty want to know how much I earn, - why don't you ask

straight
out?

It's obvious that neither of you earn as much as Australian

ex-coppers.


Pay attention Donut. We were talking hours/days worked per year, not
rates.

So, straight out, how many days a year do you work (put in time )?

Scotty




JG February 21st 05 12:19 AM

Exactly.

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"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

If you really subsidise the plan then I will take my hat off to you.
However, I suspect that you pay less than you take out. That makes you

a
scrounger.


Welcome to conservatism and the Republican Party, Donal.


Excellent troll, Max.

However, I think that a true conservative would find it easy to
distinguish
between conservatism and the Republican party.

GWB isn't a conservative..... He's an idiot.


Conservatives believe in old fashioned values. Truth is an old fashioned
value.

GWB is not a true conservative.



Regards


Donal
--






JG February 21st 05 12:20 AM

Why would I do that? Why do you care whether or not I have a PhD or
highschool diploma. You're the one who claimed to be an eye doc. So far, you
haven't offered any proof.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"JG" wrote in message

Why would I feel the need to compare myself to you? You're the one with
the low self-esteem problem.


One might assume from this that Jon will not be forthcoming with his
credentials.

Max




Capt. Mooron February 21st 05 03:54 AM


"Donal" wrote in message

If you and Scotty want to know how much I earn, - why don't you ask
straight
out?


Donal... how much money do you earn in an averge year?


It's obvious that neither of you earn as much as Australian ex-coppers.


Without a doubt...... do you?

CM



Maxprop February 21st 05 04:25 AM


"katysails" wrote in message

Well, everyone comes with two..he can chew the reserve...


His argument won't have a leg to stand on.

Max



Maxprop February 21st 05 04:25 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Phtttt, I've been to Harvard.


Have a nice visit, didja?


No, it was cold and wet.


Cambridge. What can I say?

Max



Maxprop February 21st 05 04:29 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Canadian Built Double Ender

Here's a link

http://www.nordicaboats.com/


Looks to be a yar vessel, Guy. But you could store more liquor and Belgian
beer in the aft lazarette if she had a classic stern. :-)

Max

Max



Capt. Mooron February 21st 05 04:48 AM


"Maxprop" wrote in message

But you could store more liquor and Belgian
beer in the aft lazarette if she had a classic stern. :-)


Hows 5 people for 3 weeks, $3200 of booze, $300 food and all the equipment
to Hunt, Fish and Scuba Dive. Capacity is not an issue with this vessel.....
I've had 22 people aboard.

Here's the webshots address

http://tinylink.com/?VdalUo6mgN

CM



Capt. Neal® February 21st 05 04:53 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:9KdSd.7518$9a3.767@edtnps91...
Here's the webshots address

http://tinylink.com/?VdalUo6mgN



One must wonder why, on a modern GRP vessel, anyone could abide such an
ugly and dysfunctional bowsprit.

http://image04.webshots.com/4/4/49/8...0zQfKZy_ph.jpg

Modern boats should be designed to eliminate this anachronistic appendage.

It has no advantage other than increase the LOA of the vessel making a small
vessel seem larger in the advertising brochures.

CN

Maxprop February 21st 05 05:06 AM


"Donal" wrote in message

You all have an inflated view of your knowledge. Most of you seem to think
that it is acceptable to take a guess. I'd like to give you a wake-up
call.
If you are not 100% certain, then you should admit that you don't know.
Your confidence is somebody's bereavement.


I really didn't care to get into this discussion, but it's obvious you have
absolutely no concept of how medicine is practiced. 100% certainty is
exceedingly rare in medicine, as in virtually anything where the human body
and mind are concerned.

Example: A patient comes to me with a painful, red eye. I can generally
determine from signs and symptoms whether it is an infection, or from some
other cause. Say, for example, that it's an infection. Once again via
signs and symptoms I can usually determine if the causative organism is
viral, bacterial, or parasitic. If viral, I'll prescribe an antibiotic
prophylactically (viruses tear up tissue like a rototiller through a garden)
and advise palliative measures. If a bacterial or parasitic infection, I
may culture it, if it is severely acute, and prescribe a broad-spectrum
antibiotic. If subacute, I'll simply prescribe an appropriate antibiotic
regimen and have the patient return in a day or so. The reason is
simple--if one waits until the results from a culture and sensitivity return
from the lab, one of three possible outcomes will have occurred: 1) the eye
will have gotten worse, 2) the infection will be unchanged, and 3) the eye
will have gotten better on its own. The first two are unacceptable, so an
antibiotic is prescribed as a matter of routine. And 95% of the time, the
antibiotic will clear up the infection. I can't recall the last time I had
a patient return with an infection that failed to respond to what I
prescribed. Yes, it has happened, but rarely. The point is, most medicine
is practiced in a similar manner, i.e.--without knowing 100% of the facts.
But that professional knowledge you seem to have no respect for actually
allows us to make a very educated guess, and far more often than not, it is
the correct one.

Another example: A patient presents with abdominal pain. The differential
diagnosis points to, say, two possibilities: a simple irritation to the
bowel from some unknown causative agent (toxin, hypersensitivity to
something ingested, etc.) or perhaps, say, an infectious agent of some sort,
like an enteric virus. So the doctor prescribes something to make the
patient feel better along with something to neutralize the irritant or kill
the infective agent. 90% or better of patient will be treated successfully
by this method. But say, for the sake of discussion, that the patient has a
bowel obstruction, a potentially fatal condition, and that the physician
missed the diagnosis. When 8 hours or less pass and the patient is still
suffering, he will call the doctor who will then order further testing, such
as lower-GI X-rays and/or and of a number of scans, bloodwork, and further
physical examination. So why, you'll no doubt ask, did he NOT order them in
the first place? Because of cost, plain and simple. To order such tests on
every patient that walks through the door with a belly ache would bankrupt
the third party carriers overnight, or at least end medical insurance
coverage as we know it. Such tests aren't generally needed by competent
clinicians with good differential diagnostic skills for routine belly aches.
And in most cases the patient won't expire before the necessary tests are
done. Occasionally doctors misread the symptoms and signs and miss the keys
that might have saved a patient's life. That is medicine in a nutshell--it
isn't perfect. As I said before, it's an inexact art. A physician's
confidence in his knowledge is his #1 tool in the diagnosis and management
of illness. Many tout technology as the savior of the human race, w/r/t
medicine, but without doctors with good diagnostic skills, technology is
useless.

Another aspect to this is that if tort reform or some sort judicial review
of medical malpractice cases does not become reality, the day might arrive
when a physician must order up every possible test for every sniffle and
belly ache that comes through his door in order to keep his ass out of
court. In that event, health care will reach astronomical cost points,
possibly hundreds of times what it costs today. And it will NOT be any more
effective in saving lives than it is now, only more expensive.

It's really your choice. Do you want reasonable health care costs, or do
you want 100% assurance that nothing is ever missed? You can't have both.

Do you have 100% assurance that every time you board an airliner you will
reach your destination alive? Do you have 100% assurance that your next
trip to the park with the kiddies won't result in a random, drive-by
shooting, killing your or your child? Do you have 100% assurance that when
you buy a bottle of Tylenol that one of the capsules won't be filled with
cyanide? Of course you don't. But the odds are overwhelmingly in your
favor for a favorable outcome. The same is true with medicine, despite what
the yellow journalistic anti-medicine press and websites wrongly profess.

Max



Maxprop February 21st 05 05:08 AM


"JG" wrote in message

Why would I do that? Why do you care whether or not I have a PhD or
highschool diploma. You're the one who claimed to be an eye doc. So far,
you haven't offered any proof.


I've truthfully offered up my credentials.

You must be ashamed of yours as you won't do likewise.

Max



JG February 21st 05 05:17 AM

Bwahahahaaa.... truthfully? Bwaaahahahahahaaa

Like I said, you've offered nothing in the way of proof. But, you're really
good at putting others down.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"JG" wrote in message

Why would I do that? Why do you care whether or not I have a PhD or
highschool diploma. You're the one who claimed to be an eye doc. So far,
you haven't offered any proof.


I've truthfully offered up my credentials.

You must be ashamed of yours as you won't do likewise.

Max




JG February 21st 05 05:20 AM

Jeesus... I'm really, really glad I'm not one of your patients. I understand
how someone might not be able to keep up with all the literature about this
or that medication or procedure, but to be so totally lacking in
understanding of the real costs and problems of the healthcare profession by
someone who claims to be a physician is truly beyond belief.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Donal" wrote in message

You all have an inflated view of your knowledge. Most of you seem to
think
that it is acceptable to take a guess. I'd like to give you a wake-up
call.
If you are not 100% certain, then you should admit that you don't know.
Your confidence is somebody's bereavement.


I really didn't care to get into this discussion, but it's obvious you
have absolutely no concept of how medicine is practiced. 100% certainty
is exceedingly rare in medicine, as in virtually anything where the human
body and mind are concerned.

Example: A patient comes to me with a painful, red eye. I can generally
determine from signs and symptoms whether it is an infection, or from some
other cause. Say, for example, that it's an infection. Once again via
signs and symptoms I can usually determine if the causative organism is
viral, bacterial, or parasitic. If viral, I'll prescribe an antibiotic
prophylactically (viruses tear up tissue like a rototiller through a
garden) and advise palliative measures. If a bacterial or parasitic
infection, I may culture it, if it is severely acute, and prescribe a
broad-spectrum antibiotic. If subacute, I'll simply prescribe an
appropriate antibiotic regimen and have the patient return in a day or so.
The reason is simple--if one waits until the results from a culture and
sensitivity return from the lab, one of three possible outcomes will have
occurred: 1) the eye will have gotten worse, 2) the infection will be
unchanged, and 3) the eye will have gotten better on its own. The first
two are unacceptable, so an antibiotic is prescribed as a matter of
routine. And 95% of the time, the antibiotic will clear up the infection.
I can't recall the last time I had a patient return with an infection that
failed to respond to what I prescribed. Yes, it has happened, but rarely.
The point is, most medicine is practiced in a similar manner,
i.e.--without knowing 100% of the facts. But that professional knowledge
you seem to have no respect for actually allows us to make a very educated
guess, and far more often than not, it is the correct one.

Another example: A patient presents with abdominal pain. The
differential diagnosis points to, say, two possibilities: a simple
irritation to the bowel from some unknown causative agent (toxin,
hypersensitivity to something ingested, etc.) or perhaps, say, an
infectious agent of some sort, like an enteric virus. So the doctor
prescribes something to make the patient feel better along with something
to neutralize the irritant or kill the infective agent. 90% or better of
patient will be treated successfully by this method. But say, for the
sake of discussion, that the patient has a bowel obstruction, a
potentially fatal condition, and that the physician missed the diagnosis.
When 8 hours or less pass and the patient is still suffering, he will call
the doctor who will then order further testing, such as lower-GI X-rays
and/or and of a number of scans, bloodwork, and further physical
examination. So why, you'll no doubt ask, did he NOT order them in the
first place? Because of cost, plain and simple. To order such tests on
every patient that walks through the door with a belly ache would bankrupt
the third party carriers overnight, or at least end medical insurance
coverage as we know it. Such tests aren't generally needed by competent
clinicians with good differential diagnostic skills for routine belly
aches. And in most cases the patient won't expire before the necessary
tests are done. Occasionally doctors misread the symptoms and signs and
miss the keys that might have saved a patient's life. That is medicine in
a nutshell--it isn't perfect. As I said before, it's an inexact art. A
physician's confidence in his knowledge is his #1 tool in the diagnosis
and management of illness. Many tout technology as the savior of the
human race, w/r/t medicine, but without doctors with good diagnostic
skills, technology is useless.

Another aspect to this is that if tort reform or some sort judicial review
of medical malpractice cases does not become reality, the day might
arrive when a physician must order up every possible test for every
sniffle and belly ache that comes through his door in order to keep his
ass out of court. In that event, health care will reach astronomical cost
points, possibly hundreds of times what it costs today. And it will NOT
be any more effective in saving lives than it is now, only more expensive.

It's really your choice. Do you want reasonable health care costs, or do
you want 100% assurance that nothing is ever missed? You can't have both.

Do you have 100% assurance that every time you board an airliner you will
reach your destination alive? Do you have 100% assurance that your next
trip to the park with the kiddies won't result in a random, drive-by
shooting, killing your or your child? Do you have 100% assurance that
when you buy a bottle of Tylenol that one of the capsules won't be filled
with cyanide? Of course you don't. But the odds are overwhelmingly in
your favor for a favorable outcome. The same is true with medicine,
despite what the yellow journalistic anti-medicine press and websites
wrongly profess.

Max




Capt. Mooron February 21st 05 05:26 AM


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

One must wonder why, on a modern GRP vessel, anyone could abide such an
ugly and dysfunctional bowsprit.


The Bowsprit is not only functional but adds to the fine sheer of the
vessel.

Modern boats should be designed to eliminate this anachronistic appendage.
It has no advantage other than increase the LOA of the vessel making a
small
vessel seem larger in the advertising brochures.


I don't think you are thinking this out clearly..... It provides a secure
platform to change sail in foul weather, as well as being a clutter free
area to store & deploy ground tackle. The bowsprit is stainless and teak...
a massive and solid construction. From the end of the bowsprit I can deploy
a gennaker. It makes an excellent platform for bow watch on a tricky entry.
The ladies love to strip off and use it as a dive platform.

Form & Function.... that's all I ask... that's all I get.

CM



Horvath February 21st 05 11:39 AM

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:59:43 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:


Bwaaahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaaaaa!
You trying to reclaim your idiot of the week award?



Have you decided to give it up?






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Maxprop February 21st 05 10:43 PM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

But you could store more liquor and Belgian
beer in the aft lazarette if she had a classic stern. :-)


Hows 5 people for 3 weeks,


A goddam crowd that wouldn't leave?

$3200 of booze,


Enough for the first week.

$300 food


Hot dogs and nachos?

and all the equipment to Hunt, Fish and Scuba Dive. Capacity is not an
issue with this vessel..... I've had 22 people aboard.


Sounds like my friend's (now gone) Catalina 30 that we took about 2/3 that
many on one stormy night. Katy remembers that one.


Here's the webshots address

http://tinylink.com/?VdalUo6mgN


As I said, she appears a yar vessel.

Max



Donal February 22nd 05 01:06 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:iVTRd.2036$9a3.464@edtnps91...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Ya think Donut works 24/7/363?

Ya but he only gets paid for 8/5/360.....


If you and Scotty want to know how much I earn, - why don't you ask

straight
out?

It's obvious that neither of you earn as much as Australian

ex-coppers.


Pay attention Donut. We were talking hours/days worked per year, not
rates.

So, straight out, how many days a year do you work (put in time )?


It varies a bit from year to year. I always take the period from Christmas
Eve to 2nd January off. I usually have at least two weeks for a summer
cruise around the north coast of France or a sailing holiday in Turkey. I
sometimes have two weeks in Ireland for the "Mayfly season".

I guess that I have an average 4-5 weeks holiday each year. A couple of
years ago I had six weeks.

On the other side of the coin, I occasionally go into work for a couple of
hours on a Saturday of Sunday.



Regards


Donal
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Donal February 22nd 05 01:11 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

If you and Scotty want to know how much I earn, - why don't you ask
straight
out?


Donal... how much money do you earn in an averge year?


That question is in extremely bad taste. Any person who had real class
wouldn't even consider asking such a question.

I wouldn't even dream of answering it.





It's obvious that neither of you earn as much as Australian ex-coppers.


Without a doubt...... do you?


Unlikely ... all my income is honestly earned!!



Regards



Donal
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Capt. Mooron February 22nd 05 12:24 PM


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:11:22 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Unlikely ... all my income is honestly earned!!


As it should be!


I'm glad you consider those monthly pay-offs from your "Associates" to be
"honestly earned" Ozone!! It's just that Donal has elected to take the route
less travelled. He actually earns his money by hard work, impeccable ethics
and honesty. This is... as you are aware form your days on the force... a
difficult path to negotiate. Donal has full right to feel so smug about the
few hard earned dollars he makes! Please refrain from enlightening him as to
the profit of life without conscience.

So how many boats do you own now Ozone?? Did you find a new gardener? Have
you disciplined the manor staff? Skiing the Alps this year? Any new vessels
added to your Greek Isles fleet? I understand the weather in England is
cold, wet and miserable.

CM



Capt. Neal® February 22nd 05 10:24 PM



Your comments show you are old school in your attitudes and are incapable
of appreciating the superior qualities of a modern vessel with a functional
design. I have commented below, throughout your post to show you the error
of your thinking.

"Capt. Mooron" babbled on and on . . .

"Capt. Neal®" wrote brilliantly:


One must wonder why, on a modern GRP vessel, anyone could abide such an
ugly and dysfunctional bowsprit.


The Bowsprit is not only functional but adds to the fine sheer of the vessel.


Functional? Hardly. Sheer is comely but when carried to the extreme as
in the case of a long bowsprit it becomes as excessive as a silicone implants
on a lovely woman with a 36D-sized breasts. Pray tell how loading heavy
anchors and chain on the end of a long bowsprit does anything other than
cause even a properly designed hull to hobby-horse in a seaway. Please inform
me why, if a vessel has a properly designed keel with a properly placed mast, it
is necessary to add a headsail way forward where it only serves to unbalance
a proper center of effort/center of lateral resistance plan.

Modern boats should be designed to eliminate this anachronistic appendage. It has no advantage other than increase the LOA of the
vessel making a small vessel seem larger in the advertising brochures.


I don't think you are thinking this out clearly..... It provides a secure platform to change sail in foul weather, as well as
being a clutter free area to store & deploy ground tackle. The bowsprit is stainless and teak... a massive and solid construction.
From the end of the bowsprit I can deploy a gennaker. It makes an excellent platform for bow watch on a tricky entry. The ladies
love to strip off and use it as a dive platform.


A properly laid-out foredeck provides an even more secure platform to change
headsails and a foredeck does not plunge up and down nearly as much as a long
sprit in heavy seas. It is a common tale of woe often heard that sailors are often
submerged while working at the end of a bowsprit. This is not the case on the
foredeck proper. A proper vessel either has an anchor locker on the foredeck or
short bow rollers on which to store anchors which minimize the hobby horse effect.
As for deploying gennakers, I have no trouble doing so without the anachronistic
sprit. As a place to stand the watch, it is no more advantageous than having the
watch stand on the bow proper. As for a dive platform for women, I say if your
women have time to fool around diving off the sprit then they are not doing their
womanly duties below where any real captain would see they stay out of sight,
out of mind and naked.

Form & Function.... that's all I ask... that's all I get.


Poor form and fiction more like . . .

CN


katysails February 22nd 05 11:32 PM

A hunk of junk, not even built anymore Coronado 27 is a modern marvel? the
marvel is that it still floats...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


Your comments show you are old school in your attitudes and are incapable
of appreciating the superior qualities of a modern vessel with a
functional
design. I have commented below, throughout your post to show you the error
of your thinking.

"Capt. Mooron" babbled on and on . . .

"Capt. Neal®" wrote brilliantly:


One must wonder why, on a modern GRP vessel, anyone could abide such an
ugly and dysfunctional bowsprit.


The Bowsprit is not only functional but adds to the fine sheer of the
vessel.


Functional? Hardly. Sheer is comely but when carried to the extreme as
in the case of a long bowsprit it becomes as excessive as a silicone
implants
on a lovely woman with a 36D-sized breasts. Pray tell how loading heavy
anchors and chain on the end of a long bowsprit does anything other than
cause even a properly designed hull to hobby-horse in a seaway. Please
inform
me why, if a vessel has a properly designed keel with a properly placed
mast, it
is necessary to add a headsail way forward where it only serves to
unbalance
a proper center of effort/center of lateral resistance plan.

Modern boats should be designed to eliminate this anachronistic
appendage. It has no advantage other than increase the LOA of the vessel
making a small vessel seem larger in the advertising brochures.


I don't think you are thinking this out clearly..... It provides a
secure platform to change sail in foul weather, as well as being a
clutter free area to store & deploy ground tackle. The bowsprit is
stainless and teak... a massive and solid construction. From the end of
the bowsprit I can deploy a gennaker. It makes an excellent platform for
bow watch on a tricky entry. The ladies love to strip off and use it as a
dive platform.


A properly laid-out foredeck provides an even more secure platform to
change
headsails and a foredeck does not plunge up and down nearly as much as a
long
sprit in heavy seas. It is a common tale of woe often heard that sailors
are often
submerged while working at the end of a bowsprit. This is not the case on
the
foredeck proper. A proper vessel either has an anchor locker on the
foredeck or
short bow rollers on which to store anchors which minimize the hobby horse
effect.
As for deploying gennakers, I have no trouble doing so without the
anachronistic
sprit. As a place to stand the watch, it is no more advantageous than
having the
watch stand on the bow proper. As for a dive platform for women, I say if
your
women have time to fool around diving off the sprit then they are not
doing their
womanly duties below where any real captain would see they stay out of
sight,
out of mind and naked.

Form & Function.... that's all I ask... that's all I get.


Poor form and fiction more like . . .

CN




Capt. Neal® February 22nd 05 11:41 PM


"katysails" wrote in message ...
A hunk of junk, not even built anymore Coronado 27 is a modern marvel? the
marvel is that it still floats...


Give it a rest, Katy. At least my boat was manufactured in the good ole
USA. Your French fluff in unpatriotic. How many Americans have you
put out of work buying French?

CN

Donal February 23rd 05 12:01 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:SvFSd.24642$NN.5788@edtnps89...

I'm glad you consider those monthly pay-offs from your "Associates" to be
"honestly earned" Ozone!! It's just that Donal has elected to take the

route
less travelled. He actually earns his money by hard work, impeccable

ethics
and honesty. This is... as you are aware form your days on the force... a
difficult path to negotiate. Donal has full right to feel so smug about

the
few hard earned dollars he makes! Please refrain from enlightening him as

to
the profit of life without conscience.


HAHAHAAAAA!

Mooron, stop smooching up to Oz. He doesn't mix in your circles.
You only own *one* boat.... and it is a bit shorter and a lot older than any
of Ozzie's vessels.

Regards


Donal
--




Capt. Mooron February 23rd 05 01:41 AM


OzOne wrote in message

I don't get payoff Mooron....just rent ....


Heh..... Rent's Good!

Only 5 yachts and an 18' clinker putt putt launch


Man Oh Man.... that's 4 more than Honest Don-Al

How did you know about that?


You Uber Rich are so predicatble....

The cleaning lady is very good, I never have any complaints.


Well don't entertain a raise in salary just yet... it's been proven that the
more you pay them... the less work they do!

Australian Alps...yep.
I didn't get much time in France this year because i was organising
the purchase of the cat.


Ah Yes... when one hobby interferes with another hobby... it's simply a
bother!

All sold, at a premium.


How shrewed.... who would want to vacation next to a global hotspot of
dissention?

I wouldn't know. Sydney is superb today 27C and a little cumulus...it
will storm this afternoon.


Storms must be wonderful to watch from the lavish comfort of your Manor...
overlooking the water with your new gardener tending to the lush botanical
array. I wonder how it looks from Donal's Brownstone walkup and his ravaged
flowerbox overlooking the pawnshop!?? That's the conundrum..... do you
heed obedient reason under the burden of ethics or the logic of rational
with the freedom of disposable income???

CM



Capt. Mooron February 23rd 05 01:45 AM

Oh Please... you must admit it was a great post!!

BTW- I have no pride left... I was married once and it was stripped clean
away!

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:SvFSd.24642$NN.5788@edtnps89...

I'm glad you consider those monthly pay-offs from your "Associates" to be
"honestly earned" Ozone!! It's just that Donal has elected to take the

route
less travelled. He actually earns his money by hard work, impeccable

ethics
and honesty. This is... as you are aware form your days on the force... a
difficult path to negotiate. Donal has full right to feel so smug about

the
few hard earned dollars he makes! Please refrain from enlightening him as

to
the profit of life without conscience.


HAHAHAAAAA!

Mooron, stop smooching up to Oz. He doesn't mix in your circles.
You only own *one* boat.... and it is a bit shorter and a lot older than
any
of Ozzie's vessels.

Regards


Donal
--






katysails February 23rd 05 11:24 AM

None...it was built in 1985 and we bought it from Americans...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
A hunk of junk, not even built anymore Coronado 27 is a modern marvel?
the marvel is that it still floats...


Give it a rest, Katy. At least my boat was manufactured in the good ole
USA. Your French fluff in unpatriotic. How many Americans have you
put out of work buying French?

CN




Capt. Mooron February 23rd 05 12:10 PM


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:01:36 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

HAHAHAAAAA!

Mooron, stop smooching up to Oz. He doesn't mix in your circles.
You only own *one* boat.... and it is a bit shorter and a lot older than
any
of Ozzie's vessels.

Regards


Donal


Not at all, one of my boats was launched on the 18th October 1985.


My Nordica was built in 1983..... and I wouldn't trade her for 5 of your
best boats!

CM




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