"Donal" wrote in message

| Rubbish! My 32 footer would thrash you on any point of sail!

Bah!... the only part of that statement worth retaining is the "My 32
footer","thrash" & "Rubbish"
Upwind you might have a chance of keeping up....downwind you'd be lost far
behind me.


|
| You'd probably stain your pants if you found yourself doing more than 12
kts
| downwind.

13kts sustained average over 2 miles..... stick that in your French Fried
Fin Keeler!

|
| In my humble experience, the owners of crab crushers are "all mouth and no
| trousers". They choose their boats on the basis that they are incredibly
| seaworthy - and then they refuse to set sail in anything more than a F4.
| They never see hull speed because they are afraid to venture out in the
| conditions that would enable them to do hull speed.

This is obviously a situation unique to the British.... my findings
illustrate that Fin Keelers never venture far from the harbour and generally
loose not only their bravado but their bowel content when faced with a real
ocean.
|
| I, on the other hand, am the proud possessor of a boat that really *is*
| able to exceed hull speed.

So can most margarine containers..... when push comes to shove they flip &
fold faster than superman on laundry day!

Fin Keelers..... Pah!

CM

Fin Keelers never venture far from the harbour and generally
loose not only their bravado but their bowel content when faced with a real
ocean.
|


That'll no doubt explain the design of all off shore monohull racing
yachts...

Cheers

"Nav" wrote in message

| That'll no doubt explain the design of all off shore monohull racing
| yachts...

Don't you have a propeller to untangle so you can motor into the bay despite
a nice breeze? ;-)

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message

| Rubbish! My 32 footer would thrash you on any point of sail!

Bah!... the only part of that statement worth retaining is the "My 32
footer","thrash" & "Rubbish"
Upwind you might have a chance of keeping up....downwind you'd be lost far
behind me.

The opposite is true. Going upwind, my lack of momentum means that the
waves slow me down, whereas you would be able to maintain your 4.5 kts.

Going downwind, however, would be an entirely different matter. You
wouldn't see me for dust! Your pathetic little crab crusher would be
bouncing around in the waves while I would be surfing away - at high speed!



13kts sustained average over 2 miles..... stick that in your French Fried
Fin Keeler!

Bwahahahaha! Pull the other one - it's got bells on! Delivery trips on
the back of a truck don't count.

Speed over ground doesn't count either.




|
| In my humble experience, the owners of crab crushers are "all mouth and
no
| trousers". They choose their boats on the basis that they are
incredibly
| seaworthy - and then they refuse to set sail in anything more than a F4.
| They never see hull speed because they are afraid to venture out in the
| conditions that would enable them to do hull speed.

This is obviously a situation unique to the British.... my findings
illustrate that Fin Keelers never venture far from the harbour and
generally
loose not only their bravado but their bowel content when faced with a
real
ocean.

I can just imagine Ellen Mc Arthur sailing around the world in a crab
crusher?????

Really,... Mooron, you need to get a grip on reality. When was the last
time that a crab crusher took part in a "Round the World" race?





|
| I, on the other hand, am the proud possessor of a boat that really *is*
| able to exceed hull speed.

So can most margarine containers..... when push comes to shove they flip
&
fold faster than superman on laundry day!

Fin Keelers..... Pah!

Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message

| The opposite is true. Going upwind, my lack of momentum means that the
| waves slow me down, whereas you would be able to maintain your 4.5 kts.

So a chop slows you down heh??..... that's a darned shame. Anywind over 10
kts will put me at a comfortable 5.5 to 6 kts upwind. Okay... it does take
me a few more minutes to get up to speed.


|
| Going downwind, however, would be an entirely different matter. You
| wouldn't see me for dust! Your pathetic little crab crusher would be
| bouncing around in the waves while I would be surfing away - at high
speed!

Yes I've heard this type of bravado before.... generally from the
docksiders. The few who have sufficient moxy to test that theory.......
are tuned into the reality of the fact that Overproof is extremely fast
downwind. Much faster than most boats her size and larger.


| Bwahahahaha! Pull the other one - it's got bells on! Delivery trips on
| the back of a truck don't count. Speed over ground doesn't count either.

Lets see... 36 kts wind.... gusting to 45kts.... I left the entire fleet
2 miles behind in an 11 mile stretch. That included a Fraiser 42 and a
Niagara 35..... the Contessa 32 was so far back as not to count. I started
that race as the last vessel to cross the start line and the first to cross
the finish.
Confirmed speed with bearing/bearing on a Datascope, GPS, Log, Radar and
Chrono. Lots of witnesses.



| I can just imagine Ellen Mc Arthur sailing around the world in a crab
| crusher?????

She would if she didn't have all the electronic gizmos, weather routing and
rescue on standby. That's not a slight on her ability... she's a formidable
sailor.... it's just the boat she has to sail. Not because it's a better
boat.... it's a single purpose craft and shouldn't even be entered into the
equation.

15 ft draft, movable water ballast, wing finlets and they call it a fin
keeler... PAH!

|
| Really,... Mooron, you need to get a grip on reality. When was the last
| time that a crab crusher took part in a "Round the World" race?

Reality is for People who can't handle drugs. As for the race... read above
and understand they are not all downwind. .

Suck It Up Donal!

CM

Overproof is extremely fast
downwind. Much faster than most boats her size and larger.

ROFLOL .............. Impossible. No full keeler is "extreemly fast"
downwind.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"