wrote


Meanwhile, you will also note that my boat's PHRF is generally grouped in
with
boats with 3 or 4 more feet of waterline than my boat. My PHRF is 168,
what's
yours?

Seidelmann 30 phrf = 162

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

More like a train.... I raced with a PHRF of 170.

That's not too bad for a crab crusher. Seidelmann 30 PHRF is 162.

SV

A BOW WAVE!!!! Come on Loco..... don't expect us to swallow that line of
hogwash. I've never seen more than a ripple from any vessel downwind in
light air.
Tell us how fast you sail with a chute in 5 kts of wind???

CM


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| Oh so now you lay claim to a bow wave in light air???.
|
| Damn right. If my chute is up and drawing, like the one in the photo your
so
| proud of, my boat will have a little bow wave and we would be moving. The
only
| time my boat is not moving is when the chute is hanging.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Capt. Mooron wrote:
A BOW WAVE!!!! Come on Loco..... don't expect us to swallow that line of
hogwash. I've never seen more than a ripple from any vessel downwind in
light air.

You need to get out more.

Tell us how fast you sail with a chute in 5 kts of wind???

Probably somewhere around 4 knots. I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
apparent wind).

Fresh Breezes... really!
Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
| Probably somewhere around 4 knots. I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
| or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
| apparent wind).

That must be one of those new radical Mac26M designs..... I understand they
can exceed the wind speed...apparent or not.

Nonetheless..... 5kts speed in 5 knots wind on an Express 30?? Bow Wave??
Think again. Maybe an International 14.

CM

"DSK" wrote
| ... I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
| or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
| apparent wind).


Capt. Mooron wrote:
That must be one of those new radical Mac26M designs..... I understand they
can exceed the wind speed...apparent or not.

Yeah, but the engine running kinda spoils that nice quiet peaceful effect.


Nonetheless..... 5kts speed in 5 knots wind on an Express 30??

That's not what I said. I don't think an Express 30 is going to hit 5 kt
in 5 knots true. Maybe.

... Bow Wave??
Think again. Maybe an International 14.

Or a Frers 30, or an Olson 30, or a Schock 30 GP, or a Quest 30, or a
Soverel 30, or a Santana 30, J-29, Laser 28... lots of boats. And that's
racer/cruisers, not getting into the race-only boats like the Melges 30,
J-90, or the Mumm 30. Or any multihulls

There's a whole world of non-crab-crushers out there. Not to say that
crab-crushers are bad, but you've got an eye-opening experience coming
if you think that a keel boat cannot make a bow wave off the wind in
light air.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

but you've got an eye-opening experience coming
if you think that a keel boat cannot make a bow wave off the wind in
light air.

The mooron would have an eye opening experience if his boat made a bow wave in
any condition.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

OUCH!

wrote in message

| My boat would be faster than yours, even with (shudder) Jim Cate at
| the helm.

Someone's feelings are hurt..... bwahahahahahahaaaa!!

CM

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| but you've got an eye-opening experience coming
| if you think that a keel boat cannot make a bow wave off the wind in
| light air.
|
| The mooron would have an eye opening experience if his boat made a bow
wave in
| any condition.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"

"DSK" wrote in message

| There's a whole world of non-crab-crushers out there. Not to say that
| crab-crushers are bad, but you've got an eye-opening experience coming
| if you think that a keel boat cannot make a bow wave off the wind in
| light air.

Good Grief Doug.... it's not like I haven't sailed a few ULDBs in my
life.... but I certainly don't consider it a bow wave when it's actually a
ripple. I've owned a Laser and a Hobie 18... no bow wave... a small 2 inch
ripple maybe... but no wave I can assure you.

There is also the point to be made of bow entry and hull shape that has a
lot to do with how much of a visible disturbance your vessel makes
underway.....

CM