Even a Mac can handle a squall.

So can a Topaz dinghy - but it fell over three times in quick succession and
sent the crew swimming.


With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden weather
troubles. He probably should not venture out too far unless he has a reliable
weather window. I see nothing in Jim's comments about the Mac that is cause for
alarm. No one here has sailed the new Mac. He should have test sailed it before
buying.

RB

Yes, bob, we know your theory. The streaker is not the fool, its the people
that laugh at him.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The difference between good trolling and bad trolling is that one is
invisibile and the other is transparent. Jimmyjim's efforts were
embarrassingly obvious

Obvious or not, he had nearly everyone at his feet. A fool who is followed is
never the biggest fool. Sorry.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

True, he later reduced it to 75,

He probably won't do that either, Wally.

I'm glad you agree that these claims of his were blatant trolls (as they
were called at the time).


Most of what he spoke of
concerned taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim
and play.

I think it was grandkids. It sounds as though he's looking for 'convenience
sailing', if I can put it like that.


The Mac should work well in this regard.

I wouldn't know - I've never even seen one in the flesh, let alone sailed on
one. From what I've read, it seems that proper use of the ballast tank is
critical to safety.


--
Wally
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Bobsprit wrote:

With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden
weather troubles. He probably should not venture out too far unless
he has a reliable weather window. I see nothing in Jim's comments
about the Mac that is cause for alarm. No one here has sailed the new
Mac.

How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


... He should have test sailed it before buying.

Agreed. To shell out ~30k on what amounts to an on-paper spec is a little
hasty. If he's sailed the other boats that he's mentioned, he may well be
disappointed in the performance of the Mac.


--
Wally
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www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

Flying Tadpole wrote:
Truly a way of handling a model that's pregnant with
possibilities...

Only because of your fertile imagination

DSK

Bobsprit wrote:

Taddy, I no longer have to troll. I can post serious boat related stuff or just
about anything and the response will be the same. The dogs are old and new
tricks are beyond them. Of course not all of them, but Ganz, Scotty, Loco,
Steve and Doug are broken records at this point.
As for Jim, he posted several good points, which no one here could argue with
anything but pure disdain. The FACT is that some people buy and love the 26X or
M, just like some people buy and love a Jet Ski.


Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie
gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass
troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's
berley bucket. Our very own Bobsprit, become but a mere dealer in
FACTS! Oh the mundanity...

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DSK wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:
Truly a way of handling a model that's pregnant with
possibilities...

Only because of your fertile imagination

DSK

Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!
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Flying Tadpole wrote:
Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!

No no, you've got it wrong... squirty cheese is supposed improve one's
*sitting*.

DSK

DSK wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:
Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!

No no, you've got it wrong... squirty cheese is supposed improve one's
*sitting*.

DSK

NOW someone tells me...should I sue, do you think?
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Good Job Bob...... your advise generally reflects everything that everyone
on this group has tried in vain to advise Jim regarding the Mac purchase. I
guess there is no other choice but to let the poor fellow proceed down the
river without a paddle.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Nonetheless... if you were a real friend... you would have talked him out
of
| this insanity.
|
| You know very well he won't be happy with the purchase.....
|
| Mooron, here is what I wrote to him:
|
| Jim, I don't know if you're a troll or not, but I did recently speak to a
| couple who sailed the new boat in Florida a few weeks ago. They mostly
sailed
| her and found her to be pretty bad, with poor upwind ability and a very
cheap
| feel. Under power, she did not get up on a plane until they (4 people
total)
| balanced their weight better. I assumed there was some chop. They were
looking
| to buy, but found the sailing performance less than thrilling. They've
been
| mostly renting small sailboats and taking courses in California. They had
not
| sailed the 26X, so this was just a stand-alone test of the M model.
| I've been aboard the new version, but did not sail her. I can confirm that
| she's very lightly built and lacking in comfort below, compared to the
average
| Catalina 27. There's a reason for all of the Mac bashing. While she might
fit
| someone's needs, her performance is so poor as to have earned her a
general
| disdain. The build quality, still pretty much the same, is also not highly
| valued. Speak to a few surveyors.
| I would not put my family on one, certainly not on anything more than VERY
| protected waters, such as a small lake. I currently work as a broker part
time
| and have learned a lot about the market. I recently declined two Macs
because
| no brand has a faster loss ratio and owners are pretty shocked by it. They
can
| sell for as little as HALF after just a few years. Amazing.
| If you've actually bought a Mac, I wish you the best of luck with her.
| Otherwise you might care to rethink the decision. While the Asa group can
be
| pretty nasty, the well of info is generally on target.
| There are some boats with bad reps. US Yachts, Mac, Hunter, tanzer,
Siedleman
| and so on. There's a reason for it. As Katy said; "It's your money."
| Best of luck,
|
| Robert B
| C&C 32, Alien
| NY