"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

The Macs are designed for coastal cruising. They are sailed routinely
off the California coast, in SF Bay, out to Catalina Island, etc.

I have no doubt that the trip to Catalina is made often. Catalina and its
neighboring islands are the only interesting destinations availible to a boat
owner in LA. The total distance off is about 18 miles, but for a mac doing 12
knots there's only about a hour in exposed water - a fairly simple weather
window. You can be sure not many trips are done under sail because LA has the
lightest wind of any large port in the country. And when it gets rough there,
you wouldn't want to do it in a mac. BTW, Catalina is directly offshore from
the Mac factory - you can be sure that over the years the factory pros have made
a few trips there.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
beach???


The boat doesn't come with a gangplank, so yes, we will use a
collapsable ladder designed for this purpose. Or, the younger
passangers can jump off the stern and wade ashore.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's crystal clear. You have yet to prove this isn't so. We're
all waiting. Prove it or shut up.


Prove what, Johnathan?

Jim

Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat.


What's the date and time of that particular post,
Wally? I can't seem to find it.




You've taken your lessons from RB well, Jim. You enjoy trading meaningless
insults but when it comes to the truth you suddenly get very quiet. You
blatantly lie about what others say, and then you claim not to remember your own
statements, even when they've been posted for you.

Here's your comments again:

"Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat."

The boat can motor back at 18 mph. As has been discussed ad nausium,
the speed is dependent on a number of factors, including weather
conditions, loads, whether the water ballast tank is filled or not, etc.
As understood, the question related to what I could do if stranded
off-shore, not what I could do if I had three or four passangers and had
been stupid enough to wait until the sea was building. As I have stated
over and over again, the boat is not a heavy displacement full-keel
vessel built for oceant crossings, and a prudent sailor (which I am) is
going to get back to shore as early as possible in the event of
worsening weather. This is not to say that I wouldn't sail it in blue
water, or sail it down the Texas coast, or that I wouldn't be prepared
to sail it in severe weather in the event I couldn't outrun it.

"I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, "


This is true. As discussed above, the speed is dependent on a number of
factors. In relatively mild whether and with a light load, it can motor
at 18 knots.calm

"Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out
to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots"


Again, all true. In this area in particular, we have to motor down the
Houston-Galveston ship channel for some 25 miles (boring and tiring in a
slow, displacement sailboat) and then motor some 5 miles further between
the jetties to get to some blue water. With the Mac 26M, the boat can
motor down the ship channel at around 15-18 knots, greatly reducing the
time it takes to get to desirable sailing areas.

"Like, planing the boat at around 12 knots under sail, or 18
knots under power."

Again, all true.


You're just a cheap lying troll, aren't you Jim?

Nope. Not at all. But YOU are a good example of a "cherry picker" who
scans my notes to find statements that you can quote against me, out of
context. You apparently hope to win some "atta-boys" from your buddies
on the ng. If you quoted my notes in context, and reviewed my several
discussions of the characteristics of the boat under various conditions,
you would have had to acknowledge various qualifications that I have
made throughout the discussions, to the effect that the speed of the Mac
under power is dependent on a number of conditions. Obviously, it won't
be able to make 18-knots under all conditions, or if conditions aren't
right. And if the skipper is stupid enough to sit around offshore for
several hours after getting a severe weather notice, or to sit out there
watching the weather building and heading toward him for several hours
before deciding to turn the motor on, Obviously, he isn't going to make
15-18 knots in 5-foot chop. On the other hand, the speed of the boat
under power is a great advantage (particularly in our area) for mototing
25-30 miles down the ship channel, which is protected and relatively
flat, and getting out to the blue water quickly, and for returning to
port quickly, and it is also a safety factor in getting back to shore
ahead of a storm.

Jim

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

No. Post it. Why should you have to wait? It's pretty simple
to shut me up. Go for it. You don't because you can't. QED.

I don't want to post the order form on the www and possibly subject my
dealer to being dragged into this harrassment. However, I'll show the
order to Joe when we meet next month.

Jim

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Here's a helpfull tip, so you won't get lost, jim; follow the trail of
rust.


Dont think so.

But if so, it would be better than following a trail of bubbles
coming from your blisters.


Joe

Scotty

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Liar. Prove it.



Joe has challenged me to a race on Galveston Bay. He will be sailing his
ultra fast steel-hulled vessel, Red Cloud. The plan is for us to race a
prescribed course on the bay, and for him to take pictures of the Mac
26M under sail which he will post to the ng along with his report on the
race. Also, he wants to do some water-skiing behind the Mac under
power. I'll show Joe the purchase order for my boat verifying that I
placed the order on March 25. - We should be able to schedule this event
sometime in May.

The loser of the race will pay the tab for a steak dinner and bottle of
Bordeaux to be shared with the winner at one of the nicer waterfront
restaurants in the Kemah area.

So, you'll get your "proof" in a few weeks. (Are you prepared to admit
you were wrong, John?)

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

| Yes, you certainly can't blame Bob for not warning me.

Kind of indicates your level on the idiot gauge ... don't it?

CM

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

| Not if it's beached on the shore.

Yup.. a lee shore being pounded to pieces!

CM

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
|
| You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
| beach???
|

| The boat doesn't come with a gangplank, so yes, we will use a
| collapsable ladder designed for this purpose. Or, the younger
| passangers can jump off the stern and wade ashore.

........right next to the tilted 50 hp outboard.... as the surf buries you
deeper into the sand... rocking back and forth as well as side to side.

CM

And, you have no experience with the truth. You do have
lots of experience with lying an ripping people off. SO YOU
WIN.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
beach???

Jonathan has clearly no knowledge of the 26.

RB