If you park it on the rocks, they won't have to jump so far.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
beach???


The boat doesn't come with a gangplank, so yes, we will use a
collapsable ladder designed for this purpose. Or, the younger
passangers can jump off the stern and wade ashore.

Sort of like you? With fat, ugly teen runaways, a lot of lies, some
stealing,
and an unsafe boat?

No, I have a real life.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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We're
all waiting.



"All" waiting. I think only Jonathan and a few other non-sailors are
waiting.
The rest have lives and boats to sail.

RB

Prove you aren't a liar. Show us the document. Put up or shut up.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's crystal clear. You have yet to prove this isn't so. We're
all waiting. Prove it or shut up.


Prove what, Johnathan?

Jim

What about the "unexpected weather"??? Liar.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat.


What's the date and time of that particular post,
Wally? I can't seem to find it.




You've taken your lessons from RB well, Jim. You enjoy trading
meaningless
insults but when it comes to the truth you suddenly get very quiet.
You
blatantly lie about what others say, and then you claim not to remember
your own
statements, even when they've been posted for you.

Here's your comments again:

"Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat."

The boat can motor back at 18 mph. As has been discussed ad nausium,
the speed is dependent on a number of factors, including weather
conditions, loads, whether the water ballast tank is filled or not, etc.
As understood, the question related to what I could do if stranded
off-shore, not what I could do if I had three or four passangers and had
been stupid enough to wait until the sea was building. As I have stated
over and over again, the boat is not a heavy displacement full-keel
vessel built for oceant crossings, and a prudent sailor (which I am) is
going to get back to shore as early as possible in the event of
worsening weather. This is not to say that I wouldn't sail it in blue
water, or sail it down the Texas coast, or that I wouldn't be prepared
to sail it in severe weather in the event I couldn't outrun it.

"I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, "


This is true. As discussed above, the speed is dependent on a number of
factors. In relatively mild whether and with a light load, it can motor
at 18 knots.calm

"Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out
to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots"


Again, all true. In this area in particular, we have to motor down the
Houston-Galveston ship channel for some 25 miles (boring and tiring in a
slow, displacement sailboat) and then motor some 5 miles further between
the jetties to get to some blue water. With the Mac 26M, the boat can
motor down the ship channel at around 15-18 knots, greatly reducing the
time it takes to get to desirable sailing areas.

"Like, planing the boat at around 12 knots under sail, or 18
knots under power."

Again, all true.


You're just a cheap lying troll, aren't you Jim?

Nope. Not at all. But YOU are a good example of a "cherry picker" who
scans my notes to find statements that you can quote against me, out of
context. You apparently hope to win some "atta-boys" from your buddies
on the ng. If you quoted my notes in context, and reviewed my several
discussions of the characteristics of the boat under various conditions,
you would have had to acknowledge various qualifications that I have
made throughout the discussions, to the effect that the speed of the Mac
under power is dependent on a number of conditions. Obviously, it won't
be able to make 18-knots under all conditions, or if conditions aren't
right. And if the skipper is stupid enough to sit around offshore for
several hours after getting a severe weather notice, or to sit out there
watching the weather building and heading toward him for several hours
before deciding to turn the motor on, Obviously, he isn't going to make
15-18 knots in 5-foot chop. On the other hand, the speed of the boat
under power is a great advantage (particularly in our area) for mototing
25-30 miles down the ship channel, which is protected and relatively
flat, and getting out to the blue water quickly, and for returning to
port quickly, and it is also a safety factor in getting back to shore
ahead of a storm.

Jim

Sort of like you when confronted by your lies? Thanks for the clarification.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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MacBoy,

So, you're admitting now that you're a liar. Thanks.

No. he's admitting he has a sense of humor. Some people here clearlly
don't.

RB

Yeah, he shouldn't, because then I would have to shut up and possibly
apologize.

MacBoy, keep in mind that Bob was thrown off AOL for stealing. He's
a known liar and fraud.

He's also an overweight, balding guy who strains himself when he picks
up a bicycle.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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No. Post it. Why should you have to wait? It's pretty simple
to shut me up. Go for it. You don't because you can't. QED.

Jim, don't post any proof. I'd like to see some pics of the boat when you
get
her and hear your sailing impressions. Others here will make a few snide
comments, but I'd bet that even they'd like to know how the new design
performs. Ganz is only a troll who will continue to be angry that you can
afford a new boat of any kind. Believe me, that's all there is to it.

RB

BS. You won't post it because you're lying about it. It's pretty
easy to make the ids on it unreadable, but instead of spending
10 minutes doing that, you'd rather wait and take abuse. You'd
rather be called a liar than be able to shut me up about it. Makes
a lot of sense to me.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

No. Post it. Why should you have to wait? It's pretty simple
to shut me up. Go for it. You don't because you can't. QED.

I don't want to post the order form on the www and possibly subject my
dealer to being dragged into this harrassment. However, I'll show the
order to Joe when we meet next month.

Jim

"Jim Cate" continues to have trouble with reality:

"Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat."

The boat can motor back at 18 mph. As has been discussed ad nausium,
the speed is dependent on a number of factors, including weather
conditions, loads, whether the water ballast tank is filled or not, etc.

Yes, it has been pointed out as nausium that the speed figures were only
obtained under conditions not likely to be encountered. Yet you keep insisting
they are achievable.

The safety recommendations strongly advise always running with ballast tanks
full. In particular, if there are waves, even as low a one foot, the boat could
become unstable and capsize. Without ballast, it is not self righting, and is
liable to capsize if tipped more than 60 degrees. Since Galveston Bay
frequently is choppy, and the channel (especially between the jetties) certainly
is, any talk of running a full speed with he tank empty marks you as a complete
fool.

Further, the stated speed is without rigging (mast, boom, stays, sails), food,
water, minimal fuel and safety gear, and one person aboard. Since you always
described situations where you would have the rigging, gear, fuel and passengers
on board, you're talking about roughly 600 pounds. A number of mac sites claim
100 pounds means 1 MPH off the top speed, meaning the despite your ludicrous
claims, the real speed for the boat is around 12 mph, maybe 12 knots.

I'm not making this up, this is coming straight from the factory and dealer
sites. Anyone who claims otherwise is in fantasy land. However, you can scan
the mac boards and people will say the same thing - roughly 12 knots is the most
you'll do in a normally configured boat. The also point out that in nasty
conditions, the speed can be greatly reduced from that, and the ride can get
very sloppy.


snip nonsense



"I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, "


This is true. As discussed above, the speed is dependent on a number of
factors. In relatively mild whether and with a light load, it can motor
at 18 knots.calm

Its only capable of those speeds if you don't put a mast on it, so what's the
point? Why keep repeating a number if it doesn't apply to you?




"Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out
to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots"


Again, all true. In this area in particular, we have to motor down the
Houston-Galveston ship channel for some 25 miles (boring and tiring in a
slow, displacement sailboat) and then motor some 5 miles further between
the jetties to get to some blue water. With the Mac 26M, the boat can
motor down the ship channel at around 15-18 knots, greatly reducing the
time it takes to get to desirable sailing areas.

But the factory site claims thats inmpossible! Are you call Roger a liar? Why
do you persist in making claims that go beyond the hypebole of the brochure?




"Like, planing the boat at around 12 knots under sail, or 18
knots under power."

Again, all true.

But its a lie, and you know it!



You're just a cheap lying troll, aren't you Jim?

Nope. Not at all. But YOU are a good example of a "cherry picker" who
scans my notes to find statements that you can quote against me, out of
context.

I'm willing to include whatever context you want. You're the one who keeps
claiming you want the speed so you can take guests sailing in the ocean. The
you quote speeds that are only achievable if you leave the guests, sails, food
and water, and fuel back at the dock. And it requires the unsafe practice of
running flat out without ballast in a busy waterway. And you accuse me of
cherry picking, taking comments out of context??? You're a real piece of work,
Jim!

You apparently hope to win some "atta-boys" from your buddies
on the ng.

My "buddies" probably think its foolish to waste time on a troll like you. But
I may save someone from making the mistake you have.


If you quoted my notes in context, and reviewed my several
discussions of the characteristics of the boat under various conditions,
you would have had to acknowledge various qualifications that I have
made throughout the discussions, to the effect that the speed of the Mac
under power is dependent on a number of conditions.

No, you never have really given a realistic assessment of your likely speed.
On, the contrary, you still claiming that the "18 knots" figure is still
relevant.


Obviously, it won't
be able to make 18-knots under all conditions, or if conditions aren't
right.

So why don't you tell us what speed you think you will achieve with a crew and
gear?

And if the skipper is stupid enough to sit around offshore for
several hours after getting a severe weather notice, or to sit out there
watching the weather building and heading toward him for several hours
before deciding to turn the motor on, Obviously, he isn't going to make
15-18 knots in 5-foot chop.

Jim, the factory says it can't do 18 knots in a flat clam with a tail wind. Or
do you intend to throw your grandchildren overboard?

And, you have no experience with the truth. You do have
lots of experience with lying an ripping people off.

Ripping people off? My ebail sales have 100% rating. I guess you didn't check
to see where that one negative was from...a seller who cheated me out of 180
bucks.
Enjoy your toy boat!


RB

No, I have a real life.


And that's what's so sad. In another day or two I'll be off sailing while you
continue to beg Jim Cate for his Mac26M order form!
That's some life ya got there! Where's YOUR order for a new boat? Can you use
food stamps to buy it? Jonathan, I know your type. Poor and likely to stay that
way because you're angry at anyone with means. This is what upsets you about
Jim Cate, not his choice of boat, which you have NEVER sailed!

RB