"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass

The diet worked????


Regards


Donal
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Wally wrote:

Bobsprit wrote:


... He appears to understand what the limits are ...


Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.



As understood, you were reading those notes for entertainment value. The
"100 miles offshore" in "70 knot winds" was obviously intended as
entertainment. I really didn't think it was necessary to explain that.

You probably ought to consider that note in context with a number of
other notes in which I emphasized that I wasn't going to go out in heavy
weather, but intended to be prepared for whatever came, and that I was
going to return to port early if weather conditions changed.

In other words, the 70-knot wind note was obviously a joke, and if you
weren't trying to put me down, you would have acknowledged that it was a
joke yourself. - But, of course, you are tryng to put me down, so you
won't.

Jim

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of
concerned
| taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The
Mac
| should work well in this regard.

No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy. The
huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use the
ladder in all but the calmest condition.

CM

Not if it's beached on the shore.

Jim

Wally wrote:

Bobsprit wrote:


With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden
weather troubles. He probably should not venture out too far unless
he has a reliable weather window. I see nothing in Jim's comments
about the Mac that is cause for alarm. No one here has sailed the new
Mac.


How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat.


What's the date and time of that particular post,
Wally? I can't seem to find it.

Jim

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

| Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home
faster
| than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his
tanks
| and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.

You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained
manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to
weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under
power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave
broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must
quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid swamping.
Been There ...Done That.



| Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say
that it
| can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those
limits
| becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
| As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland.....
riverways and small lakes.


The Macs are designed for coastal cruising. They are sailed routinely
off the California coast, in SF Bay, out to Catalina Island, etc.

Jim

Jeff Morris wrote:

While its true that the engine may be an advantage comparing to "boat of its
size," Jim first appeared here asking for advice about used 30 to 32 footers. A
mac might still be able to outrun a C&C 32, but not by much if its a bit rough.
On the other hand, what constitutes "heavy weather" is a lot different on a
proper boat.

Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used
boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac
to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took
her to see boats that had been abandoned.


Clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along?

Actually, although I have always liked the versatility of the Macs, my
personal choice would have been the Cal 34 that I mentioned earlier, and
I was ready to put a deposit on it. However, my wife was adamantly
opposed to the Cal because of the unfortunate appearance of its
interior. - My continued defense of the Macs on this ng derives from my
observation that the Macs haven't got fair treatment or accurate
characterizations on this ng. I'm trying to bring a little balance to
the discussion.

Jim



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster
than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his

tanks

and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.
Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that

it

can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits
becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

RB

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Good Job Bob...... your advise generally reflects everything that everyone
on this group has tried in vain to advise Jim regarding the Mac purchase. I
guess there is no other choice but to let the poor fellow proceed down the
river without a paddle.

CM


Yes, you certainly can't blame Bob for not warning me.

Jim

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You know what proof. You don't have it. You are no sailor. You're
also beyond stupid to listen to or communicate with boober.

I'm assuming that you want me to post a copy of my order form to "prove"
that I ordered the boat whan I said I did. Is that what you are talking
about, John? I'll show the order form to Joe,and he can report back to
the group. - Will that be OK?

Jim

Jim Cate wrote:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You know what proof. You don't have it. You are no sailor. You're
also beyond stupid to listen to or communicate with boober.


I'm assuming that you want me to post a copy of my order form to "prove"
that I ordered the boat whan I said I did. Is that what you are talking
about, John? I'll show the order form to Joe,and he can report back to
the group. - Will that be OK?


You've actually ordered one? Can you cancel the order? Even if they
don't refund the deposit it would be a good move IMO.

Cheers

Sure we can.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Capt. Mooron wrote:

Good Job Bob...... your advise generally reflects everything that
everyone
on this group has tried in vain to advise Jim regarding the Mac
purchase. I
guess there is no other choice but to let the poor fellow proceed down
the
river without a paddle.

CM


Yes, you certainly can't blame Bob for not warning me.

Jim