Islander 30... a Bob Perry design, sails well and properly built

felton wrote:

Bong! You are thinking of the Islander 28. I agree the 28 would be
worth looking at, though. Bob Finch designed the 30 and I enjoyed
that boat and there are quite a number of freshwater boats available.
I owned an Islander 30 for 9 years and had a lot of great times in
that boat, in spite of my limited math skills

Oops... sorry. It's hard to keep track of all the boats Bob Perry designed. I
apologize for the mistake, I certainly wasn't trying to take any credit away from
Bob Finch who also designed a lot of good boats... mostly racier ones like the
Mirages IIRC.

We have some friends who just finished up a fairly lengthy cruise on an Islander
30... and then went out and took second in class in a good size regatta. I'd
consider that credentials for being a 'great' boat!



I was a little surprised to see a Sabre 28 pop up on the listings in
this price range.

There are a lot of great deals around on Sabre 28s. I know of one
that is about to come on the market in the Detroit area. 2 owner,
freshwater, recently repowered, in great shape for $23k. A LOT of
value for not much money.

Yes, that's why I was surprised to see one for under $10K. I wonder if it's
trashed.

I just felt compelled to post a list of boats that would be quite good for
cruising, that one wouldn't necessarily be able to find 3 for sale within 5 miles
of ones house. That seems to be Boobsie's definition of 'great.' And Jax's
definition seems to be... well, I'm not sure but it seems to include being very
heavy, slow, and recommended by legions of salty-seeming wanna-bees.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

And Jax's
definition seems to be... well, I'm not sure but it seems to include being
very
heavy, slow,

I define "cruising" as being on large bodies of water, not motoring from one
anchorage to the next as might interest an owner of a spacious bay sailor.

and recommended by legions of salty-seeming wanna-bees.

few people think of John Vigor as a "salty-seeming wanna-bee", even though
motor/anchor/baysailors often define as such anyone who pulls sails up and
leave sight of land for more than 60 minutes.

JAXAshby wrote:

I define "cruising" as being on large bodies of water,

Good grief, that could include Boobsie...

not motoring from one
anchorage to the next as might interest an owner of a spacious bay sailor.

Until I got a motorboat I very rarely 'motored from one anchorage to the next.'
However you seem to have an irrational grudge against roomy comfortable boats.
Just one of many irrational things about you, prob'ly.




and recommended by legions of salty-seeming wanna-bees.

few people think of John Vigor as a "salty-seeming wanna-bee", even though
motor/anchor/baysailors often define as such anyone who pulls sails up and
leave sight of land for more than 60 minutes.

Uh, no. I would define a "salty-seeming wanna-be" a person such as yourself, who
raves about the seaworthiness of boats he's never sailed, and has ambitions to
sail long distances in rough weather to just prove how manly they are, and
somehow never actually goes sailing.

John Vigor isn't a wanna-be. But a lot of people who never leave their slips
rave about the seaworthiness of some boats, including Cape Dories. Not the boats
fault... but that doesn't make it any better either. I happen to like Cape
Dories... but since I have really sailed them, I recognize that 1- they are
quite small inside, with limited stowage and 2- they are slow. They are nice
looking boats and quite solidly built. But most of the folks I know who have
really cruised them (including a few passages) have sold them to get bigger
boats... oftne the next size bigger Cape Dory.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

most of the folks I know who have
really cruised them (including a few passages) have sold them to get bigger
boats... oftne the next size bigger Cape Dory.

this is true of most every boat owner who feels he has cruised his boat, except
Hunter owners. They give up the life or get a different boat. Hunter 19
owners never cruise at all.

btw dougies, wanna tell us how much more space a Hunter 19 has compared to a
Folkboat? How about passage miles difference between the two?

JAXAshby wrote:

btw dougies, wanna tell us how much more space a Hunter 19 has compared to a
Folkboat?

Actually, the H-19 does have more room. Probably about the same stowage.
Here's a test... go aboard a Folkboat and invite two couples (average sized
adults) to sit in the salon and have hot drinks. If you can lean back, relax, and
not have somebody elses elbows or knees jutting into you, then the room is at least
comparable.

However, I've been in a Folkboat and I don't see this happening...


How about passage miles difference between the two?

I calculated a few years back that we'd sailed 960 miles in the Hunter, and made a
rough figure that we'd trailered it 15,000. We've probably at least doubled that
since.

But of course, by your definition Hunter 19s never cruise. Which of course leaves
on wondering how you explain this

http://community.webshots.com/album/37908878jiBMxv

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

there have it folks, another owner of a flyweight baysailor proclaiming to one
and all that space, space, space and more space defines a boat's capability to
sail.

btw dougies, wanna tell us how much more space a Hunter 19 has compared to
a
Folkboat?

Actually, the H-19 does have more room. Probably about the same stowage.
Here's a test... go aboard a Folkboat and invite two couples (average sized
adults) to sit in the salon and have hot drinks. If you can lean back, relax,
and
not have somebody elses elbows or knees jutting into you, then the room is at
least
comparable.

However, I've been in a Folkboat and I don't see this happening...


How about passage miles difference between the two?

I calculated a few years back that we'd sailed 960 miles in the Hunter, and
made a
rough figure that we'd trailered it 15,000. We've probably at least doubled
that
since.

But of course, by your definition Hunter 19s never cruise. Which of course
leaves
on wondering how you explain this

http://community.webshots.com/album/37908878jiBMxv

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

JAXAshby wrote:

there have it folks, another owner of a flyweight baysailor proclaiming to one
and all that space, space, space and more space defines a boat's capability to
sail.

Please quote the post where I said this...

BTW we're still waiting for you to post a link to the chart showng rocks at Cape
Hattaras. And a Japanese sub shelling Seattle... and a lot of other things.

Are you posting all this malarkey to make up for accidentally being right about
something last week?

DSK

I calculated a few years back that we'd sailed 960 miles in the Hunter,

I made a little less than double that on a single OPB trip last summer. Close
to that in my own boat in Oct/Nov just loafing along enjoying the scenery and
stops.

FWIW dougie, a couple of years ago a 75 year old man crossed the North Atlantic
east to west in a Folkboat. Know anyone at all -- let alone one 75 years --
who has crossed the NA in a Hunter 19 in either direction?

You will also have trouble finding a folkboat under $10,000 that isn't junk.
"DSK" wrote in message
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JAXAshby wrote:

btw dougies, wanna tell us how much more space a Hunter 19 has compared
to a
Folkboat?

Actually, the H-19 does have more room. Probably about the same stowage.
Here's a test... go aboard a Folkboat and invite two couples (average
sized
adults) to sit in the salon and have hot drinks. If you can lean back,
relax, and
not have somebody elses elbows or knees jutting into you, then the room is
at least
comparable.

However, I've been in a Folkboat and I don't see this happening...


How about passage miles difference between the two?

I calculated a few years back that we'd sailed 960 miles in the Hunter,
and made a
rough figure that we'd trailered it 15,000. We've probably at least
doubled that
since.

But of course, by your definition Hunter 19s never cruise. Which of course
leaves
on wondering how you explain this

http://community.webshots.com/album/37908878jiBMxv

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

nah.

You will also have trouble finding a folkboat under $10,000 that isn't junk.