MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim boasted:
I'll be here for whatever time it takes for you to come to the
realization that you aren't going to intimidate me or drive me away.

Time to call in Bertie and troop.....
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim, still not gettingIf I'm that stupid and my notes are that
insignificant, why is
this discussion string the most extensive on the ng,

SHADES OF LONG ISLANDWE HAVE A MACKEREL!!!!!!!!

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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim claimed:
I don't think I've ever seen any of
those "not" conditions. - But I'll keep an eye out for them.


And that's another reason why you don't belong here...everyone else knew
what that meant...
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate" wrote

As long as I keep posting the same crap over and over and over and over


It really is time for Bertie.....

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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I'm of the opinion that the guy is a MacGregor infiltrate, sent by the
company to turn the attention of the group on their sorry product...



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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Because he's either stupid, a troll, or trying to justify his poor choice.


All three?

Cheers
Marty

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

wrote

are you under the impression that a mac26 is double hulled?


It is double hulled, but the space in between the layers is water ballast,
which
gives you a head start on filling up the rest of the boat with water.

and the space in-between your ears is a vacuum if you think the Mac is
double hulled.

SV

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I knew that.

Jim has an excuse, he's an idiot. You should know better.


floor?


Scotty


wrote


Scotty,

There is a space between the bottom of the boat and the floor of the
boat. It is a tank for water ballast. Jim thinks that means the same
thing as double hulled.

BB

SPAM!! MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


However, they (mac 26's) entail certain obvious advantages for sailing


not that anyone but you can see.

Whether or not the Valiant is a "better" boat depends on your particular
criteria, however. With respect to safety for coastal cruising, the Mac
seems to have several advantages.

(1) - If the lower hull is compromised, the inner hull remains.

(2) If both hulls are compromised, or if the side hull is penetrated as
in a collision, the integrated flotation keeps the Mac afloat. By
contrast, if the hull of the Valiant (or other keep boats) is
compromised, or if the through-hulls leak, or if substantial water
enters the boat for some other reason, the keel of the Valiant will
quickly pull it to the bottom. In this respect, the MacGregor is a
"better" boat. (Galveston-Houston has its share of drunk red-necks
racing around the bays at 60 mph while downing another six-pack.)

(3) Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out
to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots, whereas the Valiant,
while considered relatively fast, only make around 7-8 knots under
power. So, with respect to convenience, and ability to get to a
preferred sailing area within a given day or weekend, the MacGregor is a
"better" boat.

(4) The ability to return to port quickly, ahead of impending weather,
is also a safety factor in the Mac. When we sailed the Valiant, there
were several channels in the Galveston area that weren't clearly marked
and in which we could not maneuver safely at low tide. So, we had to
turn back from a preferred anchorage we were trying to reach. In
contrast, the dagger board of the MacGregor can be raised incrementally
as desired, with a minimum draft of around 18 inches. Again, with
respect to its ability to maneuver in shallow or unmarked channels, or
to anchor in shallow water, or beach on shore to permit grandkids to
play on the sand, the MacGregor is a "better" boat, since the Valiant
must be kept in much deeper water and doesn't have the versatility of
the Mac for such shallow water activities.

I have no doubt that the Valiant has better sailing characteristics,
will point higher, and would be more comfortable in heavy weather. - In
that sense, it is a "better" boat than the MacGregor (although I
understand that the MacGregor can actually plane under sail and may
therefore be faster under sail in some conditions).

(5) However, if I can't get out to the blue water on weekends because of
the requisite hours of motoring time it takes to get from our area to
the blue water, then the fine sailing characteristics of the Valiant
wouldn't be of much benefit to me. (With the exception of being able to
talk about it on the newsgroup.) Under those circumstances, if I could
only get out once or twice a year, it may make more sense to charter a
larger boat for extended cruising when I can time off for a week or so.

Again, an evaluation of the quality of the boat depends on the criteria
used in the evaluation, and how the boat will be used.

Jim

SPAM!! MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I'll be here for whatever time it takes for you to come to the
realization that you aren't going to intimidate me or drive me away. Get
used to the idea that not all Mac owners are easy targes who will cave
under the usual Mac-Bashing. Give it up, Katy. You're just wasting
everyone's time.

Jim