MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


Would I be permitted to buy a chart plotter, depth-knot, autosteering,
or VHF?


What's a "depth-knot"?

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:01:44 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


This isn't what happened at all. I posted my questions several times
on this an on the cruising ng and scanned the reponses for over a
month hoping to get some factual or substantive information regarding
the 26M. It was only after weeks of "Mac bashings" ...


What, you came into a sailing newsgroup to enquire about about a boat you
knew little about, it's gets slagged off something rotten for a month...

...and then you go and *buy* one?

Nobody is that stupid.

You have it bass-ass backwards, Wally. I came onto this newsgroups
hoping to get some substantive, factual information. Instead, I found
out that most of the Mac-bashers have never sailed the current Mac 26,
and don't know what the hell they are talking about, yet despite this,
don't hesitate to pontificate and sneer and try to intimidate anyone who
likes the boat. This reveals to me that the Mac-bashers are either: (1)
stupid (2) incapable of rational thought, or (3) liar. In any event, it
put my mind at ease with respect to what I thought might be some
problems with the Mac, other than its inherent limitations that I
already knew. Thus, my decision was simplified, and I proceeded to
place my order. Because they are substantially sold out for the rest of
the summer, I'll be one of the fortunate few who will be able to take
delivery of this spectacular and innovated boat this season.

Jim


Do you really believe that the "new" Mac 26 is some night and day
different boat than the "old" Mac 26? P.T. Barnum was right.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

What's a "depth-knot"?

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.

Where does the depth bit fit into this? Faceitiousness aside, what sort of
handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind? How much reef would you
put in the main, and what size of jib would you use? How much heel would you
expect when going to windward?


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


This isn't what happened at all. I posted my questions several times
on this an on the cruising ng and scanned the reponses for over a
month hoping to get some factual or substantive information regarding
the 26M. It was only after weeks of "Mac bashings" ...


What, you came into a sailing newsgroup to enquire about about a boat you
knew little about, it's gets slagged off something rotten for a month...

...and then you go and *buy* one?

Nobody is that stupid.

You have it bass-ass backwards, Wally. I came onto this newsgroups
hoping to get some substantive, factual information. Instead, I found
out that most of the Mac-bashers have never sailed the current Mac 26,
and don't know what the hell they are talking about,

Ah, there's a telling point. Jim thinks that the only thing that counts
is direct, personal experience.

I guess he would have stuck his head in an oven to see how hot it was.
That explains a lot.

PDW

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Sort of leads to the obvious question, then. Can the thing plane with a
sailing rig, full ballast tanks, fuel, water and a couple or 4 people
aboard? If not, there goes any speed advantage over a displacement
sailboat, but you keep the disadvantages quite nicely. Including the
greater fuel consumption and the need to carry a much more flammable
fuel to boot.

There are advantages of outboards, no denying that. But to read an
account of how they perform in any sort of sea on a displacement hull,
try reading Fanny Hill's 'Brazil and Beyond'. They eventually replaced
the outboard with a diesel inboard.

Jim could have got a centreboard sharpie that draws bugger-all water
with an outboard in a well. I was looking at a Cal 22 yesterday and it
had an outboard on a set of parallelogram bars in a well - most of the
advantages of a saildrive at a lot less cost, and fully retractable. A
setup like that in a sharpie hull, you'd have something that sailed and
had shoal draft.

Course, it wouldn't plane at 18+ knots ot get to blue water fast, but
let's see if this unstable Mac can do it except in ideal conditions.

PDW

In article , Jeff Morris
wrote:

In one place they say they lose 3 mph when the ballast if full. In another,
they say they lose one mph for every 100 pounds added. Also, the "22 mph" is
with empty tanks, no rigging, one person, flat seas. They advise not running
without ballast, but if you must, there's a long list of safety precautions,
like not going on deck, staying seated, only do it if the seas are under one
foot and the water is warm, etc.



"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
wrote:

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:23:05 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

Its funny, the drawing on the web site don't show this to be "double
hulled".
The water ballast is on the center line, not around the chine - it would
be
easy
to penetrate the hull with a glancing blow to a rock.

BTW, what would happen to the daggerboard if it touched bottom?



The daggerboard stays, and the rest of the boat keeps going.

Other tidbits from Macgregor: The factory does not supply gas tank
hold downs. If you wish to add your own, DO NOT drill any holes! You
must glass in the hold downs.

If you install a second battery, DO NOT put it next to the existing
one. It will cause too much stress (what's that battery weigh? 50
pounds?) You must mount it on the opposite side of the boat.


By the way, if you motor with the ballast tank empty, bear in mind
that the boat is then VERY top heavy, and extremely prone to
capsizing. Make all turns very slowly and gradually, and always avoid
the wakes from other boats and large fish.

I did wonder about that. Next question is, does the thing plane with
the ballast tank full? If not, there goes the 18 knots.....

PDW

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

You have it bass-ass backwards, Wally.

In all honesty, and with due respect, I think you have.


I came onto this newsgroups
hoping to get some substantive, factual information.

Would I be correct in assuming that you were looking for said information to
aid you in your purchasing decision?


Instead, I found
out that most of the Mac-bashers have never sailed the current Mac 26,
and don't know what the hell they are talking about, yet despite this,
don't hesitate to pontificate and sneer and try to intimidate anyone
who likes the boat. This reveals to me that the Mac-bashers are
either: (1) stupid (2) incapable of rational thought, or (3) liar.

Frankly, I think "intimidate" is a bit strong. This *is* a newsgroup, after
all. If you know anything about usenet, you'll know that conversation is
often robust to say the least.


In any event, it put my mind at ease with respect to what I thought
might be some problems with the Mac, other than its inherent
limitations that I already knew. Thus, my decision was simplified,
and I proceeded to place my order.

What probelms in partcular were you concerned about, and how could those
concerns be put at ease when all you've had is negative comments?


... Because they are substantially
sold out for the rest of the summer, I'll be one of the fortunate few
who will be able to take delivery of this spectacular and innovated
boat this season.

What is spectacular and innovative about it?


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www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim fibbed: Actually, I knew what you meant too, Katy. It was just too
tempting.

Nah...you didn't know....

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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim asked: Why do you want to
continue wasting time in this discussion if you REALLY think my comments
are totally insignificant and absurd and without merit?

Ok...the honest truth here...we all truly, truly believe that the Mac
designed X and M are bad boats, that they are a sham, and that they are
dangerous. If we KF'd you or ignored you, some newbie is going to read your
glowing, rose-colored glasses reviews of Macs and go out and buy one. Then
we would be responsible for that poor choice. We look upon sailboat
ownership as a responsibility and we look out for other sailors, even the
newbies. When someone makes a poor choice and doesn't have the intelligence
to listen to tried and tue opinion and fact, then we have to take action.
We are the vigilantes of ng sailing. We have a responsibility, and we don't
take that lightly. You have a long, long road ahead of you, but we've had
your kind here before. You will notice they are not here now. Stay if you
wish, but PLEASE, stop repeating yourself. Stop asking the same
questions...you will get the same answers every time. If nothing else, we
are consistent.

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim opined: many on this ng
have become opinionated,

Become???? We came this way...we're original opinionates....

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim, obviously knowing very little about Jon or his ng history asked: Then
why are you sticking around in this discussion, John? Can't let it go?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA I've been possessed by Bobsprit.....

:

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein