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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
I have an idea. When Jim's new boat is finally delivered, how's about we
all run down there to Galveston and do some testing on our own? Bring sharp implements, axes, adze, whatever you have, and we'll test his hull theory. He shouldn't mind at all since he has such great faith in his product and it would be doing a world of good since, of course, all of his claims would prove true. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
I don't think you'd need all that hardware. All that we have to do
is to attempt to sail it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... I have an idea. When Jim's new boat is finally delivered, how's about we all run down there to Galveston and do some testing on our own? Bring sharp implements, axes, adze, whatever you have, and we'll test his hull theory. He shouldn't mind at all since he has such great faith in his product and it would be doing a world of good since, of course, all of his claims would prove true. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
John Cairns wrote: Tadpole, I don't think this guy is an innocent. Either he's a troll or he's pimping for mac, no one could possibly be this gullible or stupid. He quotes mac sales literature like it came from a burning bush. It was slightly entertaining for a while but I notice when his statements get taken apart like an overdone piece of chicken, he doesn't respond. I would guess he's a pimp. John Cairns Well, I'm kind and generous, like I said, and I feel that even the lowest should be given their chance to redeem themselves. Besides, it _could_ have been Bobsprit trying out another script, and if so, deserving of applause for the longest troll for a long time, in which all have enjoyed themselves. But given the non-responses, you may be right, and Jim the Deafer is just a chicken past-its-date, going down. OTOH, would even a Macgregor pimp suggst taking a Mac 100 miles off-shore??? -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
In article ,
wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:23:05 -0400, "Jeff Morris" wrote: Its funny, the drawing on the web site don't show this to be "double hulled". The water ballast is on the center line, not around the chine - it would be easy to penetrate the hull with a glancing blow to a rock. BTW, what would happen to the daggerboard if it touched bottom? The daggerboard stays, and the rest of the boat keeps going. Other tidbits from Macgregor: The factory does not supply gas tank hold downs. If you wish to add your own, DO NOT drill any holes! You must glass in the hold downs. If you install a second battery, DO NOT put it next to the existing one. It will cause too much stress (what's that battery weigh? 50 pounds?) You must mount it on the opposite side of the boat. By the way, if you motor with the ballast tank empty, bear in mind that the boat is then VERY top heavy, and extremely prone to capsizing. Make all turns very slowly and gradually, and always avoid the wakes from other boats and large fish. I did wonder about that. Next question is, does the thing plane with the ballast tank full? If not, there goes the 18 knots..... PDW |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Mere nitpicking. _I_ want Jim to tell me how it copes with a 5
foot square chop, so I can rush down and tell the owners of one of the local X's what they're doing wrong, and that they're now free to get out on the lake (indeed, 100 miles out) in other than zero-wind conditions! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com Peter Wiley wrote: In article , wrote: Other tidbits from Macgregor: The factory does not supply gas tank hold downs. If you wish to add your own, DO NOT drill any holes! You must glass in the hold downs. If you install a second battery, DO NOT put it next to the existing one. It will cause too much stress (what's that battery weigh? 50 pounds?) You must mount it on the opposite side of the boat. By the way, if you motor with the ballast tank empty, bear in mind that the boat is then VERY top heavy, and extremely prone to capsizing. Make all turns very slowly and gradually, and always avoid the wakes from other boats and large fish. I did wonder about that. Next question is, does the thing plane with the ballast tank full? If not, there goes the 18 knots..... PDW |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
In one place they say they lose 3 mph when the ballast if full. In another,
they say they lose one mph for every 100 pounds added. Also, the "22 mph" is with empty tanks, no rigging, one person, flat seas. They advise not running without ballast, but if you must, there's a long list of safety precautions, like not going on deck, staying seated, only do it if the seas are under one foot and the water is warm, etc. "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article , wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:23:05 -0400, "Jeff Morris" wrote: Its funny, the drawing on the web site don't show this to be "double hulled". The water ballast is on the center line, not around the chine - it would be easy to penetrate the hull with a glancing blow to a rock. BTW, what would happen to the daggerboard if it touched bottom? The daggerboard stays, and the rest of the boat keeps going. Other tidbits from Macgregor: The factory does not supply gas tank hold downs. If you wish to add your own, DO NOT drill any holes! You must glass in the hold downs. If you install a second battery, DO NOT put it next to the existing one. It will cause too much stress (what's that battery weigh? 50 pounds?) You must mount it on the opposite side of the boat. By the way, if you motor with the ballast tank empty, bear in mind that the boat is then VERY top heavy, and extremely prone to capsizing. Make all turns very slowly and gradually, and always avoid the wakes from other boats and large fish. I did wonder about that. Next question is, does the thing plane with the ballast tank full? If not, there goes the 18 knots..... PDW |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Peter Wiley wrote: In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: Sure, I'm bored Jhm. Well, he's good for something, then. My thoughts on his list of points was exactly the same as yours - get a catamaran. As someone else said, let's see that thing plane or move at 18 knots in a nasty chop and 30 knot headwind. Isn't going to happen. PDW \ Actually, I would have reefed a long time before experiencing 30 knot winds in any direction. The Mac has some obvious advantages and also some obvious disadvantages. One of the disadvantages (with respect to sailing in heavy weather offshore) is that it isn't a heavy discplacement boat weighing over 15,000 pounds that can readily handle 30 knot winds. On the other hand, one of its advantages (with respect to 90% of the conditions I expect to sail in) is that it isn't a heavy displacment boat weighing over 15,000 pounds, but can still survive in heavy weather. Jim |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
felton wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:49:36 -0400, "Scott Vernon" wrote: are you under the impression that a mac26 is double hulled? SV He may be thinking that a liner is a second hull, which will prevent him from sinking if one of those drunken powerboaters hits him doing 60mph. Perhaps Macs have foam floatation, as most of them would otherwise be on the bottom. If I make it up to the Valiant yard in the next few days, perhaps I will suggest that they may want to "improve" their boats with some of these innovations:) Here is a question for Jim...a drunken powerboater is heading towards you. You can elect to be in a Valiant or a Mac. Which do you choose?:) If you are really so naive as to think that a Mac 26 is a more survivable boat in any scenario than a Valiant or any other "real" sailboat, then thanks for the comic relief. If I could anticipate that a drunken powerboater were going to hit me going 50 mph, I would prefer a Valiant, although even then, I don't think you could predict what would happen. (It's possible that the hull of the Valiant would be compromised, in which case its keel would quickly pull it to the bottom.) But a new Valiant would cost around $400,000, normally equiped, or more than 10 times the cost of the Mac loaded with navigation and autosteering. - You can't always get what you want, but sometimes, if you try real hard, you just might get what you need. - Which in my case is the 26M. Now, let me ask you a question. - If you were sailing in a displacemenet boat in unexpected high winds, and you had your son tethered to the boat for safety, and it became obvious that the boat was going to founder, would you prefer that the boat have positive foam flotation, as in the MacGregor, or would you prefer that your son be on a discplacement boat with a heavy keel that would drag the boat and its occupants to the bottom within a few minutes? The obvious solution to your dilemma was to have chosen a marina closer to where you wish to sail. You can drive a car faster than even the motorboat you have chosen will go. I will grant you that if your only criteria was how fast you can motor in your "sailboat", then you have probably chosen wisely. For $30k you could have bought a pretty decent powerboat instead. Live and learn. Felton, I don't like power boats. I want the power capabilities of the Mac because it will enable us to get to good blue water sailing areas more quickly, and also permit us to fish, and let our grandkids play safely in shallow water, or beach the boat. It will also permit us to motor out, do some sailing and some fishing and/or some swimming, and motor back within a few hours, rather than taking the entire weekend. Jim p, "Jim Cate" wrote 6 times... (1) - If the lower hull is compromised, the inner hull remains. |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
katysails wrote: I'm of the opinion that the guy is a MacGregor infiltrate, sent by the company to turn the attention of the group on their sorry product... Not at all. However, I am interested in maintaining some balance between differing points of view, and it's obvious that the Mac-Bashers have posted more than their share of notes ridiculing Mac owners in the past few years, despite the fact that most of them know little or nothing about the current model. Hopfully, I can help make up the difference. Jim |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
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