Quite.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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No, he's not. Sad, ain't it?


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
Right again. Are you just pretending to be stupid?

Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

This is about you presenting yourself as some kind of self-styled
expert. You're not. You're a joke.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You're actually
claiming that people do overload them with gagets and crap, and
this is supposedly a good thing?

I like how you tried and failed to make this about gadgets. We were
talking
about nice interiors, which are almost always found on "real" cruising
boats.
In fact I can't find a builder who makes a "spartan" cruiser. Certainly
not
Oyster, Valiant, Swan, Baltic, Hinkley, J-Boats, Shannon, Morris,....the
list
goes on an on.
But maybe "real" sailors carefull strip out the wood and trim on these
babies,
rip out the furniture...then carefully glue it back for resale?
Face it, Ganzy. You're busted.

RB

If you go look at many, even most long-distance cruisers, you'll see
that they've widowed down their requirements to what is actually
useful. It's not my job to educate you, even though you're obviously
unable to educate yourself.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Sure they do. That's got nothing to do with what I was typing about.
In fact, anyone who cruises for long distances, gets rid of whatever
doesn't serve a useful purpose.

Where are these baerbones stripped out "cruisers" Ganzy? Show us? Every
boat I
see that cruises is nicely fitted out with comfy interiors.

RB

Not sure what planet you're from, but most of the boats
in every marina I've been in never leave the dock. That's
not cruising.

wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:34:32 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them.

??? What do you base that specious claim on? I know of some people with
very
expensive cruising sailboats who rarely cruise, but they are clearly in
the
minority. The "sit at the dock and party " lifestyle is found far more
often
with powerboats.

Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters. They're wildly expensive
and weigh more than necessary. Sure they can cross oceans, but
they don't generally. Mostly, they sit at the dock with their owners
sitting on them, and with their owners entertaining their snobby
friends.


You need to get out more. A LOT more.


BB

Yeah, bob gets confused when I put to many b's in a word.

wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:48:26 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds
of crap, just like your deck is cluttered with fenders. No cruiser in
his right mind would let that happen. If you think Cruising World is
the defining magazine about cruising, you're even dummer than I
imagined.


dummer?

BB


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to
cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest
was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant
trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like
Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With
our
new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our
time
on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from
Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he
really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from
a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a
"serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

And, amazingly, you were able to post on the ng the whole time! An amazing
feat.

Besides you, I wouldn't know. Perhaps the fenders.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds
of crap


Jonathan, we took four 3 day weekend trips last summer, one a bit longer,
plus
plenty of overnighters. We sailed 3-4 days per week all summer, many of
those
at night.
Please explain to all of us what gear came on my sailboat that is slowing
her
down?

This should be interesting, since it's mostly safety gear!

RB

Pretty amazingly funny and stupid. But, he wins!!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 day weekend trips!!!!! You ARE frickin Columbus!

BWaaHaaHaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


"Bob****" wrote


Jonathan, we took four 3 day weekend trips last summer,

When I did a cruise down the coast, it was a real challenge to use the head
because it was on the starboard side and we were on a starboard tack the
whole way. Sort of like ****ing up hill. One guy forgot to lock the head
door,
and when we hit a small wave, he got dumped on the floor with his pants
down. Then, when we came through and the boat leveled somewhat, he
got thrown back in the head compartment, and the door slammed. He didn't
make that mistake a second time.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port. The rest of the time, the issue
is whether or not the feature contributes to survivability.

True,
Those nice saloons are useless at sea because everything falls off the
table, try sitting on that settee when it's to windward.

The wonderful flat broad bunks are useable only after you pad up the
side so you can lie against the side.

Bunks big enough for two are used only by individuals because no-one
wants to be stacked up against another.

The head is almost useless and most sailors prefer the briny toilet.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Oh, but he's *gonna* go for a longer cruise next year. And wasn't he
*gonna* do the round the island race? And he's *gonna* get a ham radio for
the new boat he's *gonna* get.


Scotty, sorry to report that the new boat is already a done deal. And I did buy
a 10 meter ham radio and I did sail more than you did last year by far.

Poor jealous scotty!

RB

Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

I won.
I can list every blue water builder from Ted Hood to Beneteau's premium line
and NONE are as Ganzy outlined.
All are clearly blue water sailboats. No spartan interiors.

RB