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No. I'm not being silly. Most serious sailors have spartan interiors,
certainly with a purpose. The purpose being to elimnate weight. I know a couple of people who raced from SF to Cabo with a bucket for a head. They really, really, wanted to eliminate weight (no pun intended). But, they screwed up and had to keep pulling in for water, since they eliminated a large percentage of their water tankage toward the same goal. They were living on granola bars and such. Most semi-serious cruising sailors also are very concerned about weight, but realize they have to live on the boat for weeks or months at a time. Thus, while minimizing weight, they want a few amenities such as a real marine head, and narrow bunks with lee cloths or boards, and perhaps a few gagets like radar and a SSB. Cruisers that don't really cruise, spend most of their time at the dock, or those that charter (which I do a lot, fyi) load up the boats with all sorts of crap that are more toys than useful. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Most serious sailors don't give a fig about what's below as long as it doesn't fill with water and doesn't interfere with the performance. Serious sailors certainly care about how an interior is laid out. Really, Jonathan, you're being silly. Most "serious" boats have pretty amazing interiors built to purpose. The interior is PART of the design and very hard to get right. Lots of boats sail well, but very few have good interiors. Of the "new" boats out there, only a handful have proper layouts and still fewer for anyone much over 6'1. RB |
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Most serious sailors have spartan interiors,
certainly with a purpose. Oh, you must mean those spartan Swan, Oyster, S&S, and even Westsails!!! Jonathan, have you ever been on a Baltic? How about a 60 foot Gardner ketch? How about a Valiant 40? Robin Hood/Cape Dory 36? How about a Hinkley? I doubt it! All of them have VERY nice interiors, often pretty lavish, and all of them are world striding designs that are well respected. Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook properly. RB |
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as opposed to a C-section?
"Bob****" the moron wrote ... O-Birth |
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Bobsprit wrote:
Of the "new" boats out there, only a handful have proper layouts What constitutes a "proper" layout, one that has gone to Eton and has suits tailored in Milan? Cheers Marty |
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Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced on the ocean or in protected waters. They're wildly expensive and weigh more than necessary. Sure they can cross oceans, but they don't generally. Mostly, they sit at the dock with their owners sitting on them, and with their owners entertaining their snobby friends. I delivered a 61' Sparkmans and Stevens (Ted Turner's '79 Fastnet boat). Turner and the new owner were serious racers and serious cruisers, respectively. The interior was just above spartan. It was as I described in the previous post... good, narrow bunks which were gimbaled, nothing fancy, and he was very, very conscious about weight distribution (in this case we were carrying his full compliment of sails for delivery to the new berthing). The new owner hardly ever raced. He mostly travelled the world, exploring for months at a time. Sure, there are a few serious cruisers who have these kinds of boats, but even they don't overload them with gagets and other crap. It's pretty clear that you didn't actually read what I wrote. So, go back and try again. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Most serious sailors have spartan interiors, certainly with a purpose. Oh, you must mean those spartan Swan, Oyster, S&S, and even Westsails!!! Jonathan, have you ever been on a Baltic? How about a 60 foot Gardner ketch? How about a Valiant 40? Robin Hood/Cape Dory 36? How about a Hinkley? I doubt it! All of them have VERY nice interiors, often pretty lavish, and all of them are world striding designs that are well respected. Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook properly. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
... Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook properly. And which category do you fit in? |
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He might be able to fit in, but he's too fat to get out.
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook properly. And which category do you fit in? |
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Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced on the ocean or in protected waters. Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch at my club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors. Every serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed into the boat. Nothing spartan. RB |
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Sure, there are a few serious cruisers who have these kinds of
boats, but even they don't overload them with gagets and other crap. Wrong again. Most designs for serious cruising are not stripped out. There are quite a few offshore cruisers at City Island, including boats I mentioned, no one has a spartan interior. Swans and Oysters make PLENTY of serious passages. No spartan interior. RB |
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It's pretty clear that you didn't actually read what I wrote. So, go back and try again. Just about every serious builder features nice interiors. Today's modern materials makes stripping down a waste. You can have a fast well appointed boat and serious cruisers with means pay for them all the time. Serious racers have other needs. RB |
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