interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With our new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our time on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a "serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

as opposed to a C-section?


Any part of a Pizza pie that Scotty's wife C's and eats. ie: the whole damn
pie.

RB

How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to cook
properly.


And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With our new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our time on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a "serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

I think it was like 60 or 70, but we made some stops and detours. We logged
150-175 miles or so for the whole trip. Like I said, it was short. We only ran
the motor for the last few hours when the wind left us for dead in really bad
heat. When we got back Suzanne said "where are we going next??!!" That was
encouraging and we have a really nice long trip planned for the summer...at
least long compared to the Thimbles.

RB

Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. That's a fact. In addition, neither are they cruised on the ocean
or in protected waters for the most part. Mostly, their owners sit on them
and entertain.

You need to get out more. Just about every serious cruiser I've ever spoken
with or whose boat I've seen are very, very particular about what they pack
and what they jetison. The ones who aren't particular either don't go
anywhere
and thus aren't really serious or they end up dumping a lot of their crap
very
quickly.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters.

Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch at
my
club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors.
Every
serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed into
the
boat. Nothing spartan.

RB

Right again. Are you just pretending to be stupid? You're actually
claiming that people do overload them with gagets and crap, and
this is supposedly a good thing?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Sure, there are a few serious cruisers who have these kinds of
boats, but even they don't overload them with gagets and other
crap.

Wrong again. Most designs for serious cruising are not stripped out. There
are
quite a few offshore cruisers at City Island, including boats I mentioned,
no
one has a spartan interior.
Swans and Oysters make PLENTY of serious passages. No spartan interior.

RB

Sure they do. That's got nothing to do with what I was typing about.
In fact, anyone who cruises for long distances, gets rid of whatever
doesn't serve a useful purpose. Racers devote a lot of energy into
in only doubly so.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

It's pretty clear that you didn't actually read what I wrote. So, go
back and try again.

Just about every serious builder features nice interiors. Today's modern
materials makes stripping down a waste. You can have a fast well appointed
boat
and serious cruisers with means pay for them all the time.
Serious racers have other needs.

RB

You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds
of crap, just like your deck is cluttered with fenders. No cruiser in
his right mind would let that happen. If you think Cruising World is
the defining magazine about cruising, you're even dummer than I
imagined.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to
cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?


I'm a weekend cruiser. Last summer we took only four trips, the longest
was
just beyond the Thimble Islands. This summer we have a more significant
trip
planned, but I'll wait until it's over before stunning daysailors like
Ganzy
and Scott. These guys don't go anywhere and probably never will. With our
new
boat already settled, Suzanne and I have a good plan to increase our time
on
the water and make looker passages. When I read a silly comment from Ganzy
about spartan interiors on "serious" cruisers I have to wonder what he
really
knows about boats. I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat. Maybe he doesn't think that makes for a "serious"
cruiser.
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Bwahahahahahaaha! Gotta love their jealous posts though.

RB

Give me a break. Wow, you went 175 miles and that's supposed to
be the extent of your cruising experience. And, you made a lot of
stops... motoring, shopping, etc. The only actual cruising it sounds like
you did was in trailway stations for runaways.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

I think it was like 60 or 70, but we made some stops and detours. We
logged
150-175 miles or so for the whole trip. Like I said, it was short. We only
ran
the motor for the last few hours when the wind left us for dead in really
bad
heat. When we got back Suzanne said "where are we going next??!!" That was
encouraging and we have a really nice long trip planned for the
summer...at
least long compared to the Thimbles.

RB

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:41:08 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. That's a fact. In addition, neither are they cruised on the ocean
or in protected waters for the most part. Mostly, their owners sit on them
and entertain.

You need to get out more. Just about every serious cruiser I've ever spoken
with or whose boat I've seen are very, very particular about what they pack
and what they jetison. The ones who aren't particular either don't go
anywhere
and thus aren't really serious or they end up dumping a lot of their crap
very
quickly.

I can't imagine a "cruiser" opting for pipe berths and a stripped out
interior. Most cruising boats are designed with lots of tankage and
storage capacity for the carrying of provisions, ground tackle, tools,
spares and all the rest. It would seem to me that ignoring basic
creature comforts in a cruising boat would be pretty short sighted.
While I think that some boat builders spend a disproportionate amount
of time/money/energy on the aesthetics of the interiors, I would be a
bit concerned if the interior looked poorly constructed or thought
out. I notice even the volume production builders are putting in
higher dollar hardware in the interiors than they used to. Gone are
the days of cheap light fixtures crappy upholstery Of course, boats
cost a lot more than they used to. I suspect the weakening dollar
will have quite an effect on the European boats.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters.

Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch at
my
club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors.
Every
serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed into
the
boat. Nothing spartan.

RB