I never said that a cruiser would opt for pipe berths, etc.
What I did say was that a real cruiser would carefully
weigh what is important and what isn't. In my experience,
those who opt for creature comforts over function, never
make it off the dock.

"felton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:41:08 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. That's a fact. In addition, neither are they cruised on the
ocean
or in protected waters for the most part. Mostly, their owners sit on
them
and entertain.

You need to get out more. Just about every serious cruiser I've ever
spoken
with or whose boat I've seen are very, very particular about what they
pack
and what they jetison. The ones who aren't particular either don't go
anywhere
and thus aren't really serious or they end up dumping a lot of their crap
very
quickly.

I can't imagine a "cruiser" opting for pipe berths and a stripped out
interior. Most cruising boats are designed with lots of tankage and
storage capacity for the carrying of provisions, ground tackle, tools,
spares and all the rest. It would seem to me that ignoring basic
creature comforts in a cruising boat would be pretty short sighted.
While I think that some boat builders spend a disproportionate amount
of time/money/energy on the aesthetics of the interiors, I would be a
bit concerned if the interior looked poorly constructed or thought
out. I notice even the volume production builders are putting in
higher dollar hardware in the interiors than they used to. Gone are
the days of cheap light fixtures crappy upholstery Of course, boats
cost a lot more than they used to. I suspect the weakening dollar
will have quite an effect on the European boats.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Most people who buy these sorts of boats never do a lot of sailing
on them. Sure, they're great boats, but they're not usually raced
on the ocean or in protected waters.

Raced? I'm talking cruising, Jonathan. The Valiant 40, Gardener ketch
at
my
club sail to warm waters every year. They don't have spartan interiors.
Every
serious cruiser I ever saw or read about had plenty of "home" packed
into
the
boat. Nothing spartan.

RB

10 - 4 good buddy.........

wrote


Love your new handle!

No, he's not. Sad, ain't it?


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
Right again. Are you just pretending to be stupid?

We already knew that.


"Bobsprit" wrote


I'm a weekend loser.

"Bobsprit" wrote
Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!

Must be why you wrote this;

From: Bobsprit )
Subject: What's New with You?
Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa



Dang!!! 10 days!!!!
I can't wait for Suzzane to finish school!

RB

Ha ha.good one Jeff, you tired of poking Donal?

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Perhaps you mean serious ocean RACERS. A serious cruiser needs the best
interior possible to insure he's well rested, comfortable and able to
cook
properly.

And which category do you fit in?

"Bobsprit" wrote


I can't even recall a article in cruising world from a
couple on such a boat.

Did they cover your 'passage' to Thimble Island?

BWaHaaaaaaaaHAhahaHaaaaaaaaaa

Oh, but he's *gonna* go for a longer cruise next year. And wasn't he
*gonna* do the round the island race? And he's *gonna* get a ham radio for
the new boat he's *gonna* get.

Me thinks he has gonna rea.

Scotty


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Give me a break. Wow, you went 175 miles and that's supposed to
be the extent of your cruising experience. And, you made a lot of
stops... motoring, shopping, etc. The only actual cruising it sounds like
you did was in trailway stations for runaways.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
How far is it to the thimbles for you?

Cheers

I think it was like 60 or 70, but we made some stops and detours. We
logged
150-175 miles or so for the whole trip. Like I said, it was short. We
only
ran
the motor for the last few hours when the wind left us for dead in
really
bad
heat. When we got back Suzanne said "where are we going next??!!" That
was
encouraging and we have a really nice long trip planned for the
summer...at
least long compared to the Thimbles.

RB

You're barely a weekend cruiser. Your boat is bloated with all kinds
of crap


Jonathan, we took four 3 day weekend trips last summer, one a bit longer, plus
plenty of overnighters. We sailed 3-4 days per week all summer, many of those
at night.
Please explain to all of us what gear came on my sailboat that is slowing her
down?

This should be interesting, since it's mostly safety gear!

RB

Sure they do. That's got nothing to do with what I was typing about.
In fact, anyone who cruises for long distances, gets rid of whatever
doesn't serve a useful purpose.

Where are these baerbones stripped out "cruisers" Ganzy? Show us? Every boat I
see that cruises is nicely fitted out with comfy interiors.

RB