"hk" wrote in message
. ..


You are overestimating his involvement in that venture.


Jeeze, you are scary Harry. Not only do you pass judgment on people's
activities, hobbies, interests, boat preferences, construction techniques,
pets, kids, religious beliefs, music preferences, and activities in
charities or volunteer work, but you also have something to say about how
much time they should invest in them.

I am certainly thankful you never ran for political office.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)


You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

Eisboch

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)

You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

ROTFL!!!

wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.



Absolutely true, and they have a tremendous cash surplus. They have taken
advantage of the age of oil.

My point is that when that revenue stream erodes and the cash is used .....
what then?
This may sound harsh or crude, but it's much more difficult for all
concerned to take welfare benefits away from people than it is to have never
made them available to begin with. The Social Security program in the US
is a good example. Over the years it has become a political hot button as
changes are made, benefits are reduced or restricted (by age) in attempts to
keep it solvent.

Eisboch

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.


Yeah, the awful Norwegians are using their wealth to better the lives of
their people. In this country, we squander our resources to make the
rich richer. Impressive.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch
It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.



Absolutely true, and they have a tremendous cash surplus. They have taken
advantage of the age of oil.

My point is that when that revenue stream erodes and the cash is used .....
what then?
This may sound harsh or crude, but it's much more difficult for all
concerned to take welfare benefits away from people than it is to have never
made them available to begin with. The Social Security program in the US
is a good example. Over the years it has become a political hot button as
changes are made, benefits are reduced or restricted (by age) in attempts to
keep it solvent.

Eisboch






Easy solution...take the earnings cap off Social Security, and apply the
tax to *total* income, no matter its source, and double or treble the
rates for income over a certain very high level, including "deferred"
income.


--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.


Yeah, the awful Norwegians are using their wealth to better the lives of
their people. In this country, we squander our resources to make the rich
richer. Impressive.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the
something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do,
by the grace of God, I will do.

- Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)


Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch
It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.

Yeah, the awful Norwegians are using their wealth to better the lives of
their people. In this country, we squander our resources to make the rich
richer. Impressive.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the
something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do,
by the grace of God, I will do.

- Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)


Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.




IF your point is that the Norwegian economy creates millionaires AND
takes care of the health care and other important needs of the Norwegian
people, too, then I have no argument.

In this country, it seems, just the needs of the rich are considered
really important.



--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:15:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Aug 18, 10:22 am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.
You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.
Eisboch
That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"
Well, Field Marshal Herring has been helping care of Belorussian kids
for the past 4 years.
I think that's a lot to his credit.

Did I get promoted?

My first Belarussian kid will graduate from high school this coming year.
Then he's off to St. Petersburg University in Russia.

I consider the ten years I spent teaching 8th graders sufficient 'payback',
as if any was needed for almost thirty years in the Army. Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time!

I'm thinking Harry has his wife convinced that all the time he spends in
rec.boats is 'work time'.

Gotta go. Today is 'golf day' at Bristow Manor Golf Course!
--
** Good Day! **

John H

From what I can tell Harry's wife is intelligent. She knows Harry
doesn't do anything but putz in rec.boats.